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2141  Economy / Economics / Re: Big Crash coming on: December 18, 2016, 08:54:51 PM
Bitcoin is an experiment. Need refers to Bitcoin as to any interesting start on the Internet: can this system change the world, or maybe not. You should understand that investing time and money in new ideas is always a risky enterprise.
Supporters of Bitcoin are considered with this currency just because other users on the Bitcoin market also believe that it has value, like the yen, dollar and other national currencies. But,no country, no state, no national Bank, nothing that can provide the value of Bitcoin but, in fact, investors in Bitcoin. Should start to fall the dollar, as the scene immediately popping up the Federal reserve system. And if you start to fall Bitcoin?

When there's this much money at stake, referring to bitcoin as "an experiment" seems overly reductive. Bitcoin has created millionaires out of thin air. Once that wealth is created, it's much less theoretical or experimental to the people who have it, and they're not likely to do anything to jeopardize it. That's part of what makes bitcoin resistant to change or further innovation, the fear of losing the wealth it has created for the people who are major players in this scene currently.

very interesting, is this a mere conspiracy? or the fact bitcoin just created to facilitate the crime? And during this time when I was just diving virtual world, I do not see the usefulness of money for good deals, even bitcoin used as gambling, cryptoccurency transaction, or simply enrich themselves

I don't think there's any conspiracy or ill-intent at all involved. As with many things, someone invents or creates a thing and releases it to the world, and people use it as they desire, regardless of what the intentions of the creator were. You can see this with bitcoin, certainly. Did Satoshi intend for Bitcoin to become the currency of choice for websites like Silk Road? No, he created a currency he intended to hold value and not be subject to manipulation, it just so happens that it has features that also make it a suitable currency for illegal websites. So the intent of any conspiracy is absent, it's just a coincidence.
2142  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin can not replace fiat on: December 18, 2016, 08:48:26 PM
It cannot replace fiat since a lot of people haven't known Bitcoin or basically cryptocurrency. The flawlessness of being transparent of the transactions, the information of the user is not needed, and the decentralized power of Bitcoin makes it great but lay people only see the bad side of it. They don't see the possibility of Bitcoin being used as transactions in our daily lives. I feel a gleaming ray of hope that sometime in the future, we would all be paperless.
fiat is control by government and i think they don't want to replace them.. but if government accept bitcoin i am sure they will ask for large task for bitcoin since the benefits of bitcoin is price increases government are greedy..
For me it is impossible to replace fiat with bitcoin since bitcoin is use for online activities how about the local activities so fiat still be prefer.
There will be a worldwide revolution both online and in the physical world if the Governments deny using Bitcoin as the main currency. Because Bitcoin is not being controlled by the Government, more people will decide to choose Bitcoin instead of Fiat. Bitcoin also gives users a higher opportunity of being protected personal information. And Bitcoin users do not have to pay tax at all

What kind of tax are you talking about? Because when you buy something from an online merchant that accepts Bitcoin, they collect sales tax. It's not like using Bitcoin is a license to avoid taxes.
but i think still there is no tax on bitcoin as bitcoin is still not consider as legal currency, when governments will consider it as legal currency only then  they will impost tax on bitcoin, but i think it is not going to happen in next 5 year.
Already many countries for their financial systems clearly decided to use blockchain technology and it is obvious that bitcoin will strongly into the global economy. How many years it will take is not known, but it soon.

It is possible (and likely) for many institutions to use blockchain technology and not do a thing with bitcoin. Many major technology and financial institutions in the US are already working along these lines. So the explosion of blockchain proliferation does not necessarily mean anything for the value of bitcoin in the future, as many people interested in blockchain technology are not interested in bitcoin, and will separate the two to use the only part that has value to them.
2143  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin can not replace fia on: December 18, 2016, 08:46:15 PM
It cannot replace fiat since a lot of people haven't known Bitcoin or basically cryptocurrency. The flawlessness of being transparent of the transactions, the information of the user is not needed, and the decentralized power of Bitcoin makes it great but lay people only see the bad side of it. They don't see the possibility of Bitcoin being used as transactions in our daily lives. I feel a gleaming ray of hope that sometime in the future, we would all be paperless.
fiat is control by government and i think they don't want to replace them.. but if government accept bitcoin i am sure they will ask for large task for bitcoin since the benefits of bitcoin is price increases government are greedy..
For me it is impossible to replace fiat with bitcoin since bitcoin is use for online activities how about the local activities so fiat still be prefer.
There will be a worldwide revolution both online and in the physical world if the Governments deny using Bitcoin as the main currency. Because Bitcoin is not being controlled by the Government, more people will decide to choose Bitcoin instead of Fiat. Bitcoin also gives users a higher opportunity of being protected personal information. And Bitcoin users do not have to pay tax at all

What kind of tax are you talking about? Because when you buy something from an online merchant that accepts Bitcoin, they collect sales tax. It's not like using Bitcoin is a license to avoid taxes.
but i think still there is no tax on bitcoin as bitcoin is still not consider as legal currency, when governments will consider it as legal currency only then  they will impost tax on bitcoin, but i think it is not going to happen in next 5 year.

It doesn't need to be a legal currency to be taxed. In the US, bitcoin is taxed as property despite the fact that it's not a currency. Gold also is not a legal currency, but you still have to pay tax on that as well. So its status as a currency is irrelevant. Anything that has value can (and probably will) be taxed.
2144  Economy / Economics / Re: Should I believe in Bitcoin ? on: December 18, 2016, 08:43:41 PM
Should I believe in Bitcoin ?
I have 10k $ and maybe going to buy  , but I doubt the further development of Bitcoin and I'm afraid to lose money! Can you convince me or dissuaded from buying?
$10,000 is good to invest on bitcoin. We all know bitcoin is known to be volatile. But if you are patient enough. Why not give it a try? Dont worry of crashing because bitcoin can recover quickly because theres a lot of supporters to support this kind of technology. Right now, bitcoin is going stronger and stronger these days. I think theres more to come when this year ends.

It's been more than 3 years since bitcoin crashed from it's all time high, and it still hasn't recovered the price that was lost. Would that fit into your definition of "recovering quickly?" Because to me, it seems there's no such thing as a guarantee, but many people on these boards seem to be blindly believing that if you lose money, you'll just make it back. Life in general, and bitcoin specifically, does not work like that.
2145  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin can not replace fiat on: December 18, 2016, 06:08:00 AM
there are many reasons why bitcoin cannot replace fiat in the next 100 years or so on.

There are many reason for that however do you thin the government will let bitcoin took over their originial fiat money? obviously know and that is not a secret anymore, if you do have something and someone offering you something that is better in comparison to yours however that you wont really possess it anymore, will you be switching?of course no

I am sure that the government is the main enemy of Bitcoin. That is why Bitcoin will not be able to replace the Fiat. Government is not profitable

Right now, increasing fees are the main enemy of Bitcoin. It makes commerce is bitcoins too expensive. When you have to pay 50 cents to $1 on small transactions, that's not price effective. You could do a digital fiat transaction with a credit card or debit card and pay no fee for the transaction.
2146  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin can not replace fia on: December 18, 2016, 06:04:53 AM
It cannot replace fiat since a lot of people haven't known Bitcoin or basically cryptocurrency. The flawlessness of being transparent of the transactions, the information of the user is not needed, and the decentralized power of Bitcoin makes it great but lay people only see the bad side of it. They don't see the possibility of Bitcoin being used as transactions in our daily lives. I feel a gleaming ray of hope that sometime in the future, we would all be paperless.
fiat is control by government and i think they don't want to replace them.. but if government accept bitcoin i am sure they will ask for large task for bitcoin since the benefits of bitcoin is price increases government are greedy..
For me it is impossible to replace fiat with bitcoin since bitcoin is use for online activities how about the local activities so fiat still be prefer.
There will be a worldwide revolution both online and in the physical world if the Governments deny using Bitcoin as the main currency. Because Bitcoin is not being controlled by the Government, more people will decide to choose Bitcoin instead of Fiat. Bitcoin also gives users a higher opportunity of being protected personal information. And Bitcoin users do not have to pay tax at all

What kind of tax are you talking about? Because when you buy something from an online merchant that accepts Bitcoin, they collect sales tax. It's not like using Bitcoin is a license to avoid taxes.
2147  Economy / Economics / Re: Big Crash coming on: December 18, 2016, 05:55:40 AM
Bitcoin is an experiment. Need refers to Bitcoin as to any interesting start on the Internet: can this system change the world, or maybe not. You should understand that investing time and money in new ideas is always a risky enterprise.
Supporters of Bitcoin are considered with this currency just because other users on the Bitcoin market also believe that it has value, like the yen, dollar and other national currencies. But,no country, no state, no national Bank, nothing that can provide the value of Bitcoin but, in fact, investors in Bitcoin. Should start to fall the dollar, as the scene immediately popping up the Federal reserve system. And if you start to fall Bitcoin?

When there's this much money at stake, referring to bitcoin as "an experiment" seems overly reductive. Bitcoin has created millionaires out of thin air. Once that wealth is created, it's much less theoretical or experimental to the people who have it, and they're not likely to do anything to jeopardize it. That's part of what makes bitcoin resistant to change or further innovation, the fear of losing the wealth it has created for the people who are major players in this scene currently.
2148  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour! on: December 18, 2016, 05:47:45 AM
Yeah, it seems to happen to me every couple weeks. But the good thing is that wetsuit always fixes it promptly when I bring it to his attention. Annoying that it happens, thankful it's resolved quickly though.

Sorry about that, the whitelists reset when I make a change to the bot-detection tool, but your rewards should be fine now.

Hey wetsuit, any news on that touted announcement from a couple weeks back? You piqued my interest, but then there hasn't been anything since then. If no news, do you have a timeframe of when you expect you'll be ready to announce?

I got delayed with this because the plan changed after I posted about it here. I ended up increasing the scale of the project (invested close to 500 bitcoins now) so it is still on track and I hope it should be ready for users within a week.

Ah thanks. I thought you said I had been whitelisted at one point, so inwas surprised about having my tier one halved again after that. But glad it's resolved again now.

That's a ton of money to pour into a project. I can't imagine what it would be, other than renting a bunch of server capacity to host some type of mining operation or something along those lines.
2149  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour! on: December 16, 2016, 08:24:24 PM
Hey wetsuit, any news on that touted announcement from a couple weeks back? You piqued my interest, but then there hasn't been anything since then. If no news, do you have a timeframe of when you expect you'll be ready to announce?
2150  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour! on: December 16, 2016, 08:21:21 PM
Yeah, it seems to happen to me every couple weeks. But the good thing is that wetsuit always fixes it promptly when I bring it to his attention. Annoying that it happens, thankful it's resolved quickly though.
2151  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: December 16, 2016, 08:16:48 PM
I would pick bitcoin over gold has its easily exchangeable and the value seems to gain at a faster rate than gold is doing

I agree. Bitcoin at this moment is increasing its price faster than gold can increase, gold can't give us the same return bitcoin is giving. Faster profit now with bitcoins, clever investment with certain of profit.
I'm not saying gold is bad, but we must consider what can give us better returns at this moment. Maybe in a while gold will be worthing more than bitcoins, when this day comes I will exchange my bitcoins into gold, but not now.

Gold mostly acts as a hedge against inflation, and Bitcoin is highly volatile. We've had a sustained bull market here and everyone is back to thinking that it can never go down again, just like 2011 before it crashed. When everyone is universally optimistic, it's often a sign of a bubble.
2152  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: December 16, 2016, 08:14:55 PM
I'd prefered both  Grin
i agree with you and i also like both but there is maximum people want to get profit with fast and we know that just bitcoin increasing its price too much faster and just bitcoin can give us a good profit quickly in short time and gold is increasing its price too much slow and we can not get profit quickly from gold in short time.
I am also agree with both of your answer because the main thing in the Bitcoin and gold is its saving as an investment whose price increases daily ( some times fall of price ) .
So both of them are good to accept .
Since in Bitcoin we can invest and store without taxation but in gold there are some restrictions to hold in much amount as an investment .
Probably the worst characteristic of gold is that it can be easily confiscated by the government if another ban on ownership of gold were to be put in place, unlike bitcoin that can be very difficult to confiscate if you take the right measures.

How is it so much easier to confiscate gold? First of all, Bitcoin doesn't have to be "confiscated," banning it would be effective. If all these payment processors whobdeal with Bitcoin become outlawed, it will make it hard to move money into Bitcoin, and cause a mass exodus as people liquidate to protect their money from losing value as the price of Bitcoin collapses. You couldn't "confiscate" it, but you could drive the value down so far as to make it virtually worthless or too worthless to bother with the risk of dealing in a banned currency. That can be done as easily, or probably much easier, than finding and confiscating physical gold.
2153  Economy / Economics / Re: Long term OIL on: December 16, 2016, 08:09:25 PM
investing in oil is good idea .but u should not invest it more than 30 years from now .because 50 percent of the energ resources in the world would depend on renewable resources and the cars would all be electric cars and electric stations would be installed in quite a few place .

the truth is that oil will be in deemand FOREVER.  "tesla" is just a HOAX.
AND one general reason WHY. Simply cuz oil - is one of the cheapest available energy sources on planet!!!!

Meet the first hydrogen-electric semi-truck, Nikola One



According to the company's data, this truck features six electric motors, each wheel being powered by its own motor. The car is expected to operate in the range of up to 1,200 miles, and the company is going to manufacture around 5,500 such trucks by 2020. Since hydrogen cells are hard to come by, the company is also planning to build over 360 hydrogen stations in the US and Canada (which other hydrogen-powered cars can use as well). It is estimated that one truck should take approximately 15-20 minutes to refill...

And I guess the truck name comes from Nicola Tesla

This is interesting, especially the range of 1200 miles. However, I'm skeptical of fuel cell technology. Companies have been promising this technology forever, but it's never been cheap enough to be a viable alternative. I don't anticipate t becoming so for the trucking industry either. Natural gas is a far easier, cheaper, and likely technology, and there are already companies in the US serving that emerging trend, including Clean Energy Fuels, and Westport engines. Natural gas is already viable as a fuel alternative, and cheaper than diesel even in this repressed oil price environment.
2154  Economy / Economics / Re: Long term OIL on: December 16, 2016, 08:04:59 PM
Oil prices are going up and it will be going up. When it goes up high enough, it will create a war where the oil producers will be bombed to hell.

If you watched Trump's early videos, he is definetely disgusted by the high oil prices. On the other hand; Saudi's, Iranians, Russians, the other Arabs have no other choice but sell their oil from the higher price. If they dont do that they cant simply survive for long.

The War is coming

Fat chance. War will increase the price of oil, and "bombing oil producers to hell" will destroy critical infrastructure needed to extract and transport oil. Not to mention it would further destabilize the region in areas that are presently stable.
2155  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour! on: December 15, 2016, 12:49:51 PM
^
It was the doge coin price at the time of your claim, go back an hour later , it may be up again.

Up and down all day today http://preev.com/xdg/usd

Yeah, but the table updates with the price of doge. His point is that the table shows one value, and the prize he won was a lesser value. The table and prize should both update in unison based on the current price of doge.

the table doesn't update automatically yet. The changing rewards can happen if the page is open for a while before making the claim, if the price changes within that time. The prize can go up or down. This is more noticeable with DOGE as it has much bigger price fluctuations that BTC.

So do you manually update the prize tables then? It seems to me that would be a lot of work. It always seemed to me the tables updated to reflect the current price of each, which is why I figured they updated automatically.

The update automatically, but not via websockets currently ie. if the page is open it won't show the changed amounts unless the page is reloaded.

Oh ok, that's what I figured. I wouldn't expect the page to update in realtime if it's open, just to reflect whatever values there were when the page was first opened.

Btw, my first tier reward is halved again. Can you fix me?
2156  Economy / Micro Earnings / Re: FreeBitco.in - Win free Bitcoins every hour! on: December 14, 2016, 05:12:44 PM
^
It was the doge coin price at the time of your claim, go back an hour later , it may be up again.

Up and down all day today http://preev.com/xdg/usd

Yeah, but the table updates with the price of doge. His point is that the table shows one value, and the prize he won was a lesser value. The table and prize should both update in unison based on the current price of doge.

the table doesn't update automatically yet. The changing rewards can happen if the page is open for a while before making the claim, if the price changes within that time. The prize can go up or down. This is more noticeable with DOGE as it has much bigger price fluctuations that BTC.

So do you manually update the prize tables then? It seems to me that would be a lot of work. It always seemed to me the tables updated to reflect the current price of each, which is why I figured they updated automatically.
2157  Economy / Economics / Re: You should never trust banks on: December 10, 2016, 01:52:42 PM
I trust bank now and for a while until there is a better and clear better option. We can transact yet without banks. For now the whole world is still ran by fiat currency hence we can't let go of banks yet. But probably when the whole world adopts bitcoins then we could all be our banks. Then we can just move on and forget banks and financial corporations.

According to banks are idiotic business, where the banks use to loot common people money by the name of fees and penalties. However Bitcoin is completely different just only fee for the transaction. Other than that everything different than banks.
Yes when people are realizing the benefits of using bitcoin wallets instead of bank system, they will slowly stop using banks. From that point people will not keep on trusting banks. That is the reason people are saying bitcoin will replace banking system. In my opinion too it will be possible and it is going to happen very soon.

Two reasons bitcoin is never going to "replace the banking  system."  1) Transaction fees will soon be unwieldy for bitcoin, and 2) banking system provides too many other functions to be replaced by a digital currency.  

Bitcoin fees are rising. Every halving and with the more congested the network gets, fees increase in nominal bitcoins. On top of that, the more valuable bitcoin is in USD, the more those transaction fees are. We're currently on the edge of where bitcoin is not competitive for small transactions. Paying 50 cents to buy a $10 item with bitcoins is not economical, considering you could buy the item with digital fiat with no extra charge.

Also, bitcoin is not condusive to credit. Lending and therefore economic growth would seize up in a bitcoin denominated economy. People expecting bitcoin to replace the USD and create an economic paradise are delusional.
2158  Economy / Economics / Re: Long term OIL on: December 04, 2016, 06:43:48 AM
Small increases of local consumption can happen anywhere across the globe, but how much they will affect the total consumption? It is large consumers like China and the US that matter, and their economies seem to slowing down (whatever we are being told to the contrary). On the other hand, the price of crude oil going down could itself contribute to increased consumption, though the demand for oil is usually considered not very elastic on the whole...

That is, it doesn't change much with even severe price fluctuations

No doubt that the consumption in China is going down, mostly as a result of the tough environmental regulations. But traditionally, the United States has been a high-oil consuming nation. If the lower gasoline prices are going to prevail for another year or two, then we might see an increase in the oil consumption there.

Oil consumption in China is not going down. It is still rising, and will continue to rise. http://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/global_oil.cfm

Those projections are the November 2016 short term energy outlook from the EIA. It shows an actual increase in oil consumption by China and the world as a whole that is projected to continue rising presently.
2159  Economy / Economics / Re: Imposing tax on bitcoin on: December 03, 2016, 05:22:33 PM
What if the Internal Revenue service of the US decided to tax bitcoin transactions, what would be the possible effects on its price and the bitcoin community. Will the other governments follow?

Are you unaware that the IRS already is already taxing Bitcoin as property? It hasn't had much effect on the price at all.
2160  Economy / Economics / Re: How stable will bitcoin be? on: December 03, 2016, 05:18:51 PM
>>But, there's a big problem here, bitcoin requires electricity and global internet to function well, and these kinds of services probably won't be so stable without working government

False premise.

This e-book by David Friedman (son of Milton Friedman) provides the following:

1. Real world examples of how private enterprise has successfully provided the same services as a government i.e. courts, police, utilities, etc.

2. A precise, logic-based refutation of the idea that anarchy would simply lead to the strongest criminal thugs forming a new government

3. A reduction of many common arguments for the governments existence to absurdity.

It can be found here: http://lectormatic.freeiz.com/machoffreedom/Friedman,_David_-_The_Machinery_of_Freedom.html

In regards to number 2, I don't find the argument convincing. We have too many real world examples of this for a logical argument to refute it. Look at areas where there is a weak government or weak rule of law. There are often factions that grow large enough to operate as a quasi-government and they are rarely fair or stable. Arbitrary law rules these organizations. (Drug cartels are a good example, ISIS, Farc, Yemeni warlords, Boko Harem, etc.) These are the groups that come to power in anarchistic settings.
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