I feel more heartbreak coming for people of bitcoin-trader. Please if you are investing 20k+, if you were to lose it overnight could you sleep at night? If so then all the power to you. Please use extreme caution with these HYIP's fooling people into believing their bitcoin earnings claims.
I have some 20K+ investments in total with a HYIP, but they haven't ever tried fooling me into this bitcoin trading nonsense.
Of course not. They are probably telling you the trading in forex nonsense, that 99.9% of all HYIPs do. Actually no HYIP admin I invest with masquerades any of that. Everyone who plays HYIP's knows they are playing HYIP's. Can't say the same for people in this thread who are playing Bitcoin-trader. What good HYIP's use as their "hyip story" is there for text placement. Btc-arbs, Bitcoin-Trader however claim wholeheartedly they do bitcoin trading which is false and they are nothing more than a HYIP masquerading as a legitimate company. When 99% of your members don't know they are playing HYIP's they are fooling you. That is the case with Bitcoin-trader. Bitcoin-trader's web page text is not there just for text placement like any other HYIP. They refuse to be associated with HYIP, even though they are one. I'd be extra cautious of that. After 13 years of playing HYIP's I think I know that HYIP's aren't making bank trading. You have no idea what you are talking about sunny. What the hell kind of person knowingly puts money in a HYIP? If bitcoin-trader.biz is a scam, at least most of the people who put money into it here have the (thin) excuse of not knowing that. But to 'invest' in something you know full well is a scam and will defraud other people is disgusting. No great surprise you have bad trust, I imagine you've ripped a few people off in your time. Sorry that your "too good" to play HYIP's. How dare you accuse me of being unethical. Who the hell are you? None the less if you invested in bitcoin-trader and feel people who play HYIP's are terrible human beings, well I guess join the club of us terrible human beings, and you are one of them. Yes, I dare. So sue me. What do you expect? 'Investing' in a hyip is unethical and stupid. That's not really controversial. Love the way you judge me for my opinion, by the way. |
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I feel more heartbreak coming for people of bitcoin-trader. Please if you are investing 20k+, if you were to lose it overnight could you sleep at night? If so then all the power to you. Please use extreme caution with these HYIP's fooling people into believing their bitcoin earnings claims.
I have some 20K+ investments in total with a HYIP, but they haven't ever tried fooling me into this bitcoin trading nonsense.
Of course not. They are probably telling you the trading in forex nonsense, that 99.9% of all HYIPs do. Actually no HYIP admin I invest with masquerades any of that. Everyone who plays HYIP's knows they are playing HYIP's. Can't say the same for people in this thread who are playing Bitcoin-trader. What good HYIP's use as their "hyip story" is there for text placement. Btc-arbs, Bitcoin-Trader however claim wholeheartedly they do bitcoin trading which is false and they are nothing more than a HYIP masquerading as a legitimate company. When 99% of your members don't know they are playing HYIP's they are fooling you. That is the case with Bitcoin-trader. Bitcoin-trader's web page text is not there just for text placement like any other HYIP. They refuse to be associated with HYIP, even though they are one. I'd be extra cautious of that. After 13 years of playing HYIP's I think I know that HYIP's aren't making bank trading. You have no idea what you are talking about sunny. What the hell kind of person knowingly puts money in a HYIP? If bitcoin-trader.biz is a scam, at least most of the people who put money into it here have the (thin) excuse of not knowing that. But to 'invest' in something you know full well is a scam and will defraud other people is disgusting. No great surprise you have bad trust, I imagine you've ripped a few people off in your time. |
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$20k should qualify you as I understand it. Might want to push them on this, or use it as leverage at maturity when there's the option for reinvestment.
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Yup. In the current climate, I'd say that falls more into the category of 'not bad news' rather than 'good news'. |
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don't think anyone in this forum have met them so far
Doesn't look like it. Can't find anything anywhere on the web either. I'd expect something, somewhere. As far as I remember only clients with a certain amount were invited to meet with them. Don't think those are posting around in forums. Yes. Which raises questions. Genuinely trying to keep an open mind but keen for some more information (and I'm really surprised the guys who have put in tens of thousands aren't too). |
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Thanks msin and Daedalus. I misunderstood about forging - that approach is far more sensible. Straight up lottery between the people who are in the room right now, with their chances determined by the number of coins they hold.
Any thoughts on the pros/cons of the two client options offered so far?
No problem. As I said, the lottery is the current implementation with Transparent Forging (TF) only 50% implemented. With full TF, you will be able to predict with high probability who will forge the next block and send your transaction to them to get it included in the blockchain very quickly. Full TF doesn't use the 'lottery' equation above. It doesn't need to as you know who the next 10 or so forgers will be. It uses an advanced method of gaining concensus, the details haven't been published. This is the most innovative bit of Nxt. And I am still finding all the scraps of details spread around in the devs posts that are published and piecing it together myself  This seems like a really innovative feature if it works properly. I guess it's still random overall (the lottery principle still holds, so it's still worth being part of the forging network), it's just that the next 10 minutes aren't random. Like you know you've won the lottery, you just haven't been given the outsize cheque by the C-list celebrity yet. |
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don't think anyone in this forum have met them so far
Doesn't look like it. Can't find anything anywhere on the web either. I'd expect something, somewhere. |
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Blind luck? You can't really call a roundabout centralisation. Not the best example of subsidiarity since I'm guessing quite a few people have ended up in hospital on that road. Just not in the ~20 frames of that gif. hmm i dont know, i mean, sure there must have been people ending up in hospital, but i dont think it outnumbered the people ending up in hospital in countries with road signals.. The point being adaptation. but yeah, im no expert, just trying to provide you folks with some cool illustrations Ok, it's a cool illustration. Jeremy Clarkson suggests that if you fit every car's steering wheel with a spike, you will make the roads a lot safer overall because drivers will suddenly start caring a lot more about whether they're about to have an impact or not. So be careful - you might just end up making a point about personal responsibility by accident. |
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Still no answer on whether anyone has actually met Carley/Brandenburg in person.
I think this is kind of important, rather than basing optimism on payments having occurred so far.
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Blind luck? You can't really call a roundabout centralisation. Not the best example of subsidiarity since I'm guessing quite a few people have ended up in hospital on that road. Just not in the ~20 frames of that gif. |
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Thanks msin and Daedalus. I misunderstood about forging - that approach is far more sensible. Straight up lottery between the people who are in the room right now, with their chances determined by the number of coins they hold.
Any thoughts on the pros/cons of the two client options offered so far?
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Looks great from an installation/usability perspective. What's the deal if I'm using a laptop that's only on ~6 hours a day? Are there drawbacks? Just thinking of Joe Public using NXT and what's going to have maximum appeal. You can lease your forging power of your account to another account that will forge 24/7 for you. Forging pools are being set up as we speak. So you won't have to turn your computer on at all and still get NXT for forging. You will still be able to spend and move the cash in the account and the lease automatically updates the amount you have on lease. Leased forging is a feature unique to Nxt, another first  (Edit: I might have jumped to conclusions here, were you referring to not being able to forge 24/7? )It's partly about forging. Though I understand the forging formula takes into account the last time you were awarded a block, so I'm not sure whether you 'catch up' to some extent after being away for a while. And leasing is a great idea too  It's also about updating the blockchain (which I think will happen pretty fast, compared to bitcoin). And any other factors that might be relevant... I know CPU mining bitcoins was a bad idea on a laptop and that shouldn't be an issue with NXT. Must be a few more things that will swing someone's decision to download a client or go for a web service. |
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Looks great from an installation/usability perspective. What's the deal if I'm using a laptop that's only on ~6 hours a day? Are there drawbacks? Just thinking of Joe Public using NXT and what's going to have maximum appeal. |
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Let's say I am a complete noob. I stumble across NXT and think it's a great idea. I want to get started with a client but I'm not very techie. I buy a few but I don't want to leave coins on an exchange.
Maybe I decide to look around for a web account service, or a nice straightforward client. I might want to get into forging, because I think I'd like to put my coins to good use and help the community, but I might not want to keep a computer (laptop especially) on 24/7. Ease of installation/use are key, either way.
Where would I start? Any suggestions for good options?
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Great to hear a person tipped you.
However, doing a search of the address is the luckiest bet you have.
Tried it. Nada. |
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Congrats! Had all except WMM? What does it stand for?
(u+m)(u-m) = uumm or "double u double m" Sorry. |
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I heard God is into crypto also.
And he knows all your private keys. Also, he apparently cares about Pirate Bay. |
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confirmed now, so here's the solution: S9EXUC2HDF6G7K9WMM6HSP96A479S9 this doesn't count as contact?  guess i'll have to create a throwaway twitter account... Drop them an email, unless you really want to stay anonymous. I'm hoping there's a further (smallish) reward. I don't hold the purse strings! If not I'll let them know. |
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Aaand it's gone! Congratulations and make sure you contact BitScan so your achievement can be recognized.
Will keep you posted about the next installment.
Nice job, dalek.
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Yes. Of all the alts, it seems that NXT actually offers something genuinely groundbreaking rather than tinkering around the edges of bitcoin.
Just what is offered, in your view? The community seems relatively robust, but PoS is substantially less secure that PoW. The layered products will emerge in any coin that has traction, so I'm not sure layered features are a big plus. Anonymity is huge, in my estimation. Much bigger than the little features that derive from layered applications of the blockchain. A coin is neither required nor suitable for most of those. Parasitic protocols are not viable in the long term. Merge-mining fees is the correct way to use blockchains as infrastructure for layered apps, not cramming stuff into the core coin, but other ways of funding a distributed transaction db may be more efficient. Anonymity on the other hand is part of the core, necessarily. Part of the core implementation, and part of the core value proposition. For that reason, of the alts, I like MRO. BCN would have been interesting, but suffered from pre-mine. MRO forks BCN and fixes that. The upside is the best anonymity in a working coin, CPU-mined. The downside is extreme immaturity of the software, no market yet: It's roughly 2 weeks old. FWIW I concur. I gave up on NXT quite a while back and started cpu mining MRO a few days ago. Immature is right; but the potential... For the anonymity alone? I think I feel more or less the same way Aminorex does. If it is to be considered a serious goal for a coin then anonymity needs to be baked into the protocol design. Layered features can be built on top of the core - I've had some experience with that side of development myself and am comfortable with the future that portends. As for MRO specifically, I also like the GPU/ASIC resistance of the PoW scheme. Note that I'm not insisting anonymity is an essential feature for every coin - I just think it's a valid and desirable USP, which will inevitably drive growth and uptake of the coin that gets it right. Personally, I'm quite happy with the pseudo-anonymity provided by conventional cryptocoin architectures. I danced with NXT. But the chemistry was all wrong.  I figure there's room for lots of altcoins in the early stages - the ones that offer something worthwhile should survive. Most as far as I can tell don't offer much new at all, or one single change/improvement. A few years down the line I guess there might be only a handful that are used in any great measure. I assume and hope bitcoin will be one of these; Litecoin I guess will survive, as will Dogecoin (for different reasons). NXT I think has great potential, though how that pans out remains to be seen. I don't know enough about many of the others to make a judgement but I doubt there will be many others. Out of interest, what didn't you like about NXT? |
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