Interesting this should be cropping up now as a conversation point.
and with Tranz suggesting new developments (500 HBN limits)I went back to some of my 2013 calculations on inflation

back of a coaster style as always.

for POS to outweigh POW impact for inflation the average POS bloc needs to pay >5HBN

there are 28800 block in a 10 day cycle
28800*5 = 144000 HBN created by POS every 10 days
requires an active HBN coin supply (regularly being staked) of 7.2 Million HBN ..

Thats without POW blocks and balances on (I assume no staked) exchange wallets.
So I figured inflation by POS wasn't even an issue before probably ~8-10 million HBN coin supply
- my rule of thumb and interestedly watching to see how it actually plays out.

Of course when POS inflation gets started it starts to run out of control without the reward reduction that's in place.

BUT
 
Something more fundamental bothers me, and has done since the start ..... Maybe someone can clear it up for me?

If HBN (any POS insert name here) was to become a reality with a wide user base I'd expect to see more than 28800 wallets globally (orders of magnitude more) staking many blocks in 10 days
but even if they only staked 1 block how do they all get serviced with POS reward with only a finite number of block rewards available? i.e. 28800 (2880 per day)
They can't carry over as the backlog would just get forever bigger.
Or would Max age end up needing to be very large? - kiss byebye to compound interest bonuses

I realise my example is worst case 10 days and should be perhaps 30 days (nearly 100k blocks) or more but even then .... orders of magnitude vs a triple?

I don't think the clients netweight gets updated till the block is solved. It's probably HUGE

yes the overview page is showing correctly. You don't see any "Stake" until you have solved a POS block.
The coins in the block used to gain the reward (the block which is split in two with the reward added) show as "staking" for the time it takes for the network to confirm your reward block.

So basically you don't see that stake value all that often.

If you want to see the coins and weight mature and ready for POS work you need to look into coin control or hover over the hammers icon (lower right)

OK I'll wait for my 3760 weight to have some impact then ....

yes 34295 for hours now.

yeah same here. got lots of blocks just awaiting .........

K done a very quick scratch out - but I knackered and could have just balled it up.

If the annual target is 750%
Compounded comes to ~5.4% per 9 day period
40 periods a year @ 5% compounded 745% profit

non compounded (spent returns) needs more like 18.5% return in a 9 day period

AANNND I just found an earlier post which seems to confirm the 18.x non compounded rate you just suggested.  
plz scuse the head fog ... I'm still trying to get the shear MAGNITUDE of HYPERSTAKE into my head


*EDIT
it's a terminology thing, not being an accountant I had to go look it up to remind myself.
If the annual return depends on the frequency of compounding it's called "Effective annual interest rate" or "annual equivalent rate (AER)"
I'm not even going to print that here. It's a pretty big number .....

Maths in that above mentioned noble coin POS document needs some looking at
is it 175% annual ? ... there is a clue in the word annual .. sorry to be an(u)al

On that note anyone care to shout out the 9 day return on HYP  ie is the 750% compounded or not?

I'm with ryanb on this ... not sure I'm understanding what a "marketplace in the wallet" even is

Would it be beneficial to the coin for your combined stake weight to promote the successful staking of your oldest block rather than just itself?

You have an experiment running that will demonstrate "variance" pretty well.

As I understand it
The stake weight is a mechanism based on time  - the actual reward is a weighted lottery based on luck.

In my TEK explanation above I was pretty gob smacked to get a reward for a 17 TEK blok in ~1 day ..
I was expecting a couple of weeks as the stake the two blocks had come from the month prior had taken ~27 days and for that the block nearly doubled (~2 months of 40%).
but either way your first block staking diminishes your stake weight (the two new blocks are immature)
I haven't looked seriously at the mathematics, your weight might assist your oldest block or just a mass of blocks with weight raises the chance of any individual block staking.
That's one for Tranz - Presstab and the guys that really get into it.

Sounds like you have a relatively small stake weight (slowly growing) which is in competition with the network stake weight (which is constantly changing).
There is in absolute time to stake that 4 day / 2 day number is a guestimate of a 50% chance, so only use it as a guide to how much competition there is going on in the network.
In the long run it doesn't matter as the longer a block waited to stake the more reward it gets.(ish)

I can give you a pretty clear example from my TEK wallet which has very sparse blocks unlike my HBN wallet which has 100s constantly staking

I had two small blocks of ~17 coin mature at the same time, one staked a day later an earned ~7TEK (~40%) the other waited for another 4 days and received ~7.8TEK (~45%),
So all is good, a bit more for the extra patience.
 
The only down side of the extra days waiting is that in the long run compound interest is lost for a day or so each staking round so every now and then its worth recombining your blocks
into larger ones to take the load off your client if you have 1000s of blocks and keep your blocks staking relatively quickly.

I got another one.... but it'll tax you...

How about a maximise button on the coin control window?
I finally got fed up stretching it

Yes this comes under my "is it sensible and or open to abuse" concerns.
Looking deeper I see that Blockchain.info offer a public note function on their wallets which at one point was included on the blockchain but has since been changed (due to concerns of blockchain bloat) it now resides on their own databases and linked back to transactions.

My first thoughts were to limit the text ala twitter or have some kind of elevated wallet for trusted publishers.
Trusted publisher might be the way to go for simple coin related headlines and community communications.
I'd imagine any future android app would be more focused on community aspects and quick transactions than staking so there is the "on the go" vibe to consider.

To widen it to all coin holders would need something like
A twitter account (first that came to mind) and modifying the block explorers and client to cross reference the transaction IDs
A wllaet function that allows "submission pending approval" for linked tweet to your POS block
Needs some over sight to screen inevitable junk.

It's possible this could be a route to make the free text public outside the need for a client or block explorer, you know, so HBN can show off a bit to everyone and boost cryto awareness, downloading of the client and start staking.

Anyway I'm just talking off the top of my head. I think there is something in there but it needs working out.

He should find it difficult to miss.



So understated, very civilised - go on, let yourself have a little woohoo 

I noticed that was down earlier but transactions have been fine for me upto an hour ago.

As I understand it the HYP thing should have zero impact on the TRK chain. They are just taking a point off it (cut and paste style) and starting with a new fork & client
the TRK clients wont have the appropriate coding to see the new chain so can't get confused.

I would like to quietly point out that in the last few moments

I GOT MY STAKE!

Many thanks for your efforts in drilling into the logic here

and while i was typing

I GOT MORE STAKE!




Your theory was bang on sir!

I'm guessing this...
Technically you don't even need to sync the wallet - buy on exchange - TRANSFER to wallet address and keep an eye on the block explorer to see it confirm.
copy wallet.dat and sort the TRK out whenever.

Bit skin of the teeth but hey .. it's an experiment right

HighP ..  just throwing it in

*edit* HighAPR .. oh come on!

I guess the only other thing that needs confirming (I think I have seen this on the explorers already)
Is that stakes that should be receiving more than the cap are being pegged back to 1k and not ignored or rejected
obviously my blocks would have got significantly more than 1k but I am expecting 1k exactly per block