Woe, I hit a block wall of drama.... something about closed source, parts that have to do with mining, not mixing....
Anyway, who are you and what do you want? Are you promoting another coin on our thread? If so, that's bad form, IMO. I doubt you'd see Evan promoting on other threads, sure he'd answer questions, but no promo / FUD ever!
Huh? Everything is open source. Who am I? This is bizarrely defensive. I've been on this thread since early February and am a DRK holder/miner. Some people may recognize me, but I don't see what that has to do with anything. Anonymity and ring signatures were being discussed so I clarified some things. What part was "FUD"?  (I'm not that other guy ac2 if you haven't noticed). Sh*t, I am getting confused with this thread, moving too fast, i thought I was talking to ac2? And Monero? or where am i and what day is it? Now, I gotta sit down and read through the whole Monero coin thread, but apparently there was a dissenting fork, so two versions now, and something about closed source and accusations of hidden GPU miners or something. this could all be BS, just flipping through pages really fast, so I'll settle down later and read through the thread because it does sound interesting  |
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I like this guy. He challenges the developers and competition is always healthy. Plus he just made me 30 darkcoin so $66.15 at todays going rate.
How?  ? i'm crap at trading! |
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Darkcoin Masternode by Country  Next will be "Darkcoin Masternode by ISP" yup, gonna have to see if I can move mine, but it'll be a pain in the butt, LOL. It'll have to wait until next week if I do. Anyway, it'd still be Amazon because they're cheapest. And i'd have to consider if it would be worthwhile, that is, does it really make a difference if my node is amazon USA or Ireland. We're still all a part of the same group of people, you know? Maybe if Amazon had servers in Switzerland I'd consider the work (yah, i'm lazy, LOL) As they have a histery, but their policies have been breaking down at the US's pressures. |
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sorry, I still don't see a hole. Unless an entity has control of all the masternodes in a transaction, they will never know what happened. Better still, non of these transactions ever go on the blockchain, so the past can never be revealed. Finally, Evan is constantly coming up with other ideas to improve upon what we have. Nope, you can't convince me that what Evan has come up with is faulty. i won't say that there aren't other great solutions to be found and implemented though. I'm sure there will be. Monero sounds interesting, i'm looking at it, but if I can't understand it ultimately, I won't feel comfortable using it. But that's just me The fact that cryptography is being used here isn't really a problem. You use Bitcoin and derivatives without understanding the elliptic curve crypto (ECDSA) they use, don't you? Unlike ZKP, which is brand new and exploits are unknown, ring signatures are more than a decade old and well-established. CryptoNote is the first time they've been employed for currency, though.
DarkSend also has multiple levels of outputs, and can not be followed Ip addresses are washed away at the first level, and not connected to any of the subsequent mixing. Does CryptoNote actually exist and function yet?
Yes, it's fully functioning already. You can download the wallet and start using it just by entering a parameter in the send command. Woe, I hit a block wall of drama.... something about closed source, parts that have to do with mining, not mixing.... Anyway, who are you and what do you want? Are you promoting another coin on our thread? If so, that's bad form, IMO. I doubt you'd see Evan promoting on other threads, sure he'd answer questions, but no promo / FUD ever! |
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Darkcoin should be aiming for an unbreakable solution, an unhackable solution, anonymity that cannot be overcome simply by owning a large enough % of coins.
We don't want users to simply feel safe, but to actually be safe. Coinjoin, darksend, and any other future derivative that relies on mixing pools of transactions is inevevitably going to fail the anonymity test, as the signer of the pooled transaction has access to information.
The only true solution is an encrypted packet of information approach, where although the packet is visible on the network, the contents - and ability to open said contents - is only accessible to the recipient (ie, their encrypted wallet's private key).
I don't really agree with this. Encryption isn't the only answer. What you pointed out before (Monero and any other CryptoNote protocol coins) actually achieve extremely high anonymity. As shown in the whitepaper ( https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf), the ring signatures they use cannot be broken. They have a mathematical proof in the appendix that shows the true signer in the ring signature is impossible to determine with greater than 1/N probability, N being the number of outputs being mixed. Your standards may be high, but this is really, really good for practical purposes and would stand up well to blockchain analysis. There are some other advantages too, e.g. you mix outputs not transactions so you don't need to participate with others sending the same time as you. For the same reason, arbitrary amounts can be sent without worrying about timing analysis or tracking change. DarkSend also has multiple levels of outputs, and can not be followed Ip addresses are washed away at the first level, and not connected to any of the subsequent mixing. Does CryptoNote actually exist and function yet? |
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Tante, surely you want a solution that cannot be broken? Darkcoin's market cap is only $10 million. Impressive by our standards, but simply pittances to any worthy adversary.
Darkcoin should be aiming for an unbreakable solution, an unhackable solution, anonymity that cannot be overcome simply by owning a large enough % of coins.
We don't want users to simply feel safe, but to actually be safe. Coinjoin, darksend, and any other future derivative that relies on mixing pools of transactions is inevevitably going to fail the anonymity test, as the signer of the pooled transaction has access to information.
The only true solution is an encrypted packet of information approach, where although the packet is visible on the network, the contents - and ability to open said contents - is only accessible to the recipient (ie, their encrypted wallet's private key).
Nope, i'm not here to troll. In fact, my guess is that the price and market share will continue to rise. So if you are only loyal to this coin to see an increase in your wealth you probably will. But no one with serious $ they wish to transfer with reliable anonymity will use your coin.
sorry, I still don't see a hole. Unless an entity has control of all the masternodes in a transaction, they will never know what happened. Better still, non of these transactions ever go on the blockchain, so the past can never be revealed. Finally, Evan is constantly coming up with other ideas to improve upon what we have. Nope, you can't convince me that what Evan has come up with is faulty. i won't say that there aren't other great solutions to be found and implemented though. I'm sure there will be. Monero sounds interesting, i'm looking at it, but if I can't understand it ultimately, I won't feel comfortable using it. But that's just me BTW, if an entity should get lucky and discover the ip address and payment info for a transaction, their luck would probably reveal a transaction where one entity bought some new furniture, another sent his nephew some graduation coin, and a third paid for his vacation in Bali. None of which are illegal, so they spent all this money to try and spy on normal people doing normal things (i maintain that most people don't do illegal things). The likelihood some NSA top official would risk his plushy career on spending a fortune on cryptos is pritty slim. They didn't get their ass widening seated plushy jobs from taking risks, believe me. |
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Where is all this hashpower coming from ? Stratum exploit ? Asics ? Not so secret sgminer settings ? Botnets ? lol http://www.drkpool.com/ The NSA of course....er and maybe my computer 'cause it started acting up this morning. I think it's infected, and I've been scanning all last night for some bot (grrrr!!!), LOL. I hope it'll finish before i have to go to bed! But seriously, as the price goes up, the multipools are bound to dive in, driving the difficulty up. |
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1.) How do you know the key was destroyed? What if they faked it?
Are you thinking of anoncoin? AFAIK cryptonote doesn't have that problem, but I could be wrong. "Other issues include the RSA private key used to initiate the accumulator, which must be trusted to be destroyed by the generating party" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0They're talking about zerocoin there, right? Section topic is "How does this compare to other anonymous solutions?" Actually, it looks like monero is doing something similar to what Evan has done. Would have to read it closer. Still, why is this person here tolling? What is their point? They don't seem to understand anything about Darkcoin beyond coinjoin? |
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You keep saying the same thing over and over again without answering my original points.
1.) How do you know the key was destroyed? What if they faked it?
2.) What happens when an exploit is discovered and the entire blockchain is cleartext in 10 years.
Good luck... sounds like a honeypot.
I'd rather stick with proven technology that's easy to understand. Looking at the market cap, many people agree with me.
+1 Looks like we're doing ok, the trolls are visiting again   |
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Firstly, this is not intended to be an act of trolling. I was quite heavily invested in Dark, and believed in it's cause. However, I would like you to carefully consider your position. The darksend option of anonymity could be smashed by the NSA quite easily. The anonymity market share you own - on the assumption that darksend works flawlessly - is about to be overtaken by Monero, and similar clones. Their anonymity solution is superior to yours, developed by hackers. A purely trustless solution. Good luck to you all, but buyer beware. https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdfPS. Darkwallet also should not be underestimated, simply because you don't like it... While zeroknowledge proofs are neat just imagine the blockchain sitting there for 10 years accumulating your data, then one of a few things happen: 1.) The key used to start the system was never destroyed and was kept the entire time so a very powerful entity could see everything that goes on 2.) An exploit is found and suddenly the entire blockchain is cleartext Darksend has no such vulnerabilities. The encryption we use could be completely broken and all of the transactions that have happened would still be anonymous. Darksend relies on a collateral system - 1000drks per masternode, randomly selected masternodes, and these nodes sign off on the pooled transactions. Sounds safe...how much money do you think the NSA has? How easy to simply stockpile virtually all the darks out there, and have the majority of masternodes running... Sorry Evan but they are laughing at this solution...they will simply allow your network to grow, allow users to feel safe and protected, yet know the vast majority of transactions. The only real solution to anonymity is encrypted packets of information, that are visible on the network by can only be decrypted by the intended recipient using their private key. You are a smart, well intended dev. You have a loyal team, you have done well. But your solution is flawed. I don't believe for a second that anyone at the NSA has bought a single dark, we're coming up on their blind side. They simply can't function that quickly. Those at the decision making levels haven't taken notice of us, who are we? Even if they did, they'd need over 50% of the masternode, and with several levels of mixing the transactions, there only needs to be one masternode in there that they don't control. So when finished, if each darksend transaction goes through 5 levels of mixing, I don't even think 75% control would do it. Certainly not consistently, they'd have to get lucky. I know the idea is to hide from the NSA, but my interest is hiding from the public, and I believe this does a better job. Clean, simple, using logic rather than math that I don't understand. If I can't understand it, I don't want to deal with it. It's good we have personal choice like this. I see absolutely no flaw in Evan's take on privacy |
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When trying to do a transfer with DarkSend I get the following error: darkSend Satus => ERROR : masternode switched, please resubmit
After that I try it again and I get errors: Couldn't find a confirmed unspend output equal to 10DRK. This shouldn't happen, please report to developers.
and Error: Transaction creation failed! Am I doing something wrong or is this is a bug? Please PM eduffield. In case it's a bug, he needs to know |
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Can someone help me understand what makes darksend so special, and why it's more untraceable that darkwallet?
Nice first post. LOL Don't mock questions like this, it makes it look like we're either ignorant of the answer or hiding something. Frankly this exact question should be answered in detail for every Darkcoin competitor, and the answers displayed somewhere prominent. coins101's FAQ thread, for example. We do need to make a FAQ section for the website! |
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About the remote/local masternode setup
I just found out that darkcoind can generate more that 1 getaccountaddress 0.As long as that address is not funded, darkcoind keeps giving out the same address. But once funded, it generates a new account 0
Does that mean we can run multiple masternodes from the same local wallet?
I don't know, should give it a try I would gladly try it, except I'm getting "not capable masternode" - with local/remote setup opened port TCP 9999 home router, credited 1k DRK to address 0 local wallet, followed your tutorial (actually, I posted there ealier today) - restarded 20x each, nothing Well, I guess that means we can't cheat the system, right? LOL. Or are you saying you couldn't get a single MN to work? I'll go check out the thread.... |
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Im going to be contacting those hosting in Iceland, trying to get them to accept Darkcoin for theyr services. Is there any payment system available ? like a web-store plug in ? just so I know if they ask about that has a merchant system: |
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Does that mean we can run multiple masternodes from the same local wallet?
Dunno, but running multiple "nodes" from one wallet / computer kind of goes against the distributed mixing network idea. So I hope the answer is "no". Well, but the question is funding your masternode. Can you fund multiple masternodes, that are on their own machine, with their own IP address, with a single wallet with funds on separate addresses. I don't see a problem doing that, as long as the system can tell each address is dedicated to a Masternode. But it may be that the node running remotely needs to be funded by actual separated wallets. Personally, except for the convenience, I'd think it would be an extra safty measure to keep funds separated, so if anyone cracked one wallet, you'd still have the other?? |
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About the remote/local masternode setup
I just found out that darkcoind can generate more that 1 getaccountaddress 0.As long as that address is not funded, darkcoind keeps giving out the same address. But once funded, it generates a new account 0
Does that mean we can run multiple masternodes from the same local wallet?
I don't know, should give it a try |
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I want to clear up some facts which I'm seeing propagated around this community about the CoinJoin trustless mixing used in Dark Wallet. Dark Wallet coinjoin goes through a server, but the server cannot see any details of your transaction nor can they steal your coins. All details are encrypted for the counterparty, and all signing happens in the client. The only weakness here is that a server gets taken down stopping the service in which case you switch to another service. Even if the NSA controlled the server, they wouldn't be able to steal your coins or observe your transaction at all. Lastly the server is sharing messages with other servers (we are improving this too), so it isn't really centralised. It is federated kind of like how different email providers inter-operate with each other. The decentralised aspect will only improve over time as we develop standards and deploy technology. More info: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg6526623#msg6526623DW dev It is centralized or it is not. Like being pregnant. You cannot be a little bit pregnant. Dark Wallet, although I believe it can be a great tool, is still centralized. You have to trust a 3rd party somehow. DarkCoin is decentralized. Well, I don't know .... I mean, if I had twins or triplets, I think I'd start seeing singles as being a little bit pregos.....  Is this all the techies around here have to say about that? As an investor, I`d like to know more about it (true, not true, partially true etc), because it adresses the supposed "unique selling proposition" of Darkcoin. Personally, I don't know. I can understand how DarkSend works, I know why it works. But starting out with the fact that DarkWallet is a plugin to a browser puts me off, rightly or wrongly. Then, what this gentleman calls "federated" = centralized to me. Also, I see so much incredible potential with the way Darkcoin is structured for future developments and services. But Bitcoin really needs something, so I'm glad they have DarkWallet. I just wish the developers wouldn't be so vulgar about it being only for nefarious purposes. I doubt, at least when crypto currencies become more main stream, that more than 10% or what ever percentage of cash is used in crime will be used in cyber crime. The rest of us just want our privacy. |
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I want to clear up some facts which I'm seeing propagated around this community about the CoinJoin trustless mixing used in Dark Wallet. Dark Wallet coinjoin goes through a server, but the server cannot see any details of your transaction nor can they steal your coins. All details are encrypted for the counterparty, and all signing happens in the client. The only weakness here is that a server gets taken down stopping the service in which case you switch to another service. Even if the NSA controlled the server, they wouldn't be able to steal your coins or observe your transaction at all. Lastly the server is sharing messages with other servers (we are improving this too), so it isn't really centralised. It is federated kind of like how different email providers inter-operate with each other. The decentralised aspect will only improve over time as we develop standards and deploy technology. More info: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg6526623#msg6526623DW dev It is centralized or it is not. Like being pregnant. You cannot be a little bit pregnant. Dark Wallet, although I believe it can be a great tool, is still centralized. You have to trust a 3rd party somehow. DarkCoin is decentralized. Well, I don't know .... I mean, if I had twins or triplets, I think I'd start seeing singles as being a little bit pregos..... |
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Still, a very helpful bump! Thank you for that!
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