If you have been screwed by KnC, there are at least three law firms you can contact.
Read and see if any of these issues apply to you below.
Each are easily found on Google, as well have a new site: KNCCLASSACTION.COM
Sweden:
(1) Joakim Strignert
(2) Magnus Daar
USA:
Charlotte Lin
ATTENTION ALL KNCMINER CUSTOMERS:
MAGNUS DAAR OF ADVOKATFIRMAN RISE & CO AB, JOAKIM STRIGNERT OF JURISTFIRMA DIN RÄTT, AND LAW OFFICE OF CHARLOTTE C. LIN ANNOUNCES AN INTERNATIONAL EFFORT TO PURSUE A JOINT GLOBAL CLASS ACTION AGAINST KNCMINERS.
If you purchased KnCMiner product including Titan, Titan Mini, Neptune, Jupiter, or Cloud Mining, while you were residing in any country, you may be eligible to file a claim against KnCMiner.
The class action alleges that KnCMiner sold defective and underperforming miners, materially breached contracts, and knowingly used deceptive marketing tactics to sell their KnCMiner products. KnCMiner denies it did anything wrong, and fraudulently withheld refunds on products that they knew they could provide, or withheld refunds illegally in violation of Swedish law. This class action is to bring KnCMiner in front of Swedish court to answer to consumer’s grievances across the globe.
If you fall within these groups, you may have a claim against KnCMiner.
Your Titan Batch 1 was shipped late.
Your Titan Batch 1 was defective.
You never received your Titan Batch 1.
Your Titan Batch 2 was shipped late.
Your Titan Batch 2 was defective.
You never received your Titan Batch 2.
Your Neptune was shipped late.
You never received your Neptune.
Your Neptune was defective.
You were promised cloud mining in consideration of giving up something (right to ask for refund, right to 2-for-1 miner, etc).
You were promised a “bonus miner” in consideration of giving up something (right to ask for refund, etc).
You were shipped a miner that was obviously used.
Your Titan Mini was shipped late.
You never received your Titan Mini.
Your Titan Mini was defective.
You asked for a refund before your miner shipped, and was denied a refund.
IF YOU FALL WITHIN ONE OF THESE GROUPS, FILL OUT AN ONLINE CLAIMS FORM.
Thank you, sir. From http://kncclassaction.com/faq/ : Will I get my retainer back? - short answer is you will, but from KNC
The retainer is non-refundable to our firm, however, you will be awarded your legal costs against KNC when you win, per swedish laws.
For example:
You bought a titan for $10,131.80. Paid $1,519.77 in legal costs (the retainer). You were awarded $12,000 in damages plus the $1,519.77 you paid in legal costs. You will then be able to recuperate your legal costs back from KnC.
Any legal experts here who specifically think this is viable / not viable? Edit: There's no claims form on their site, and their contact email is down: This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed. info@kncclassaction.com |
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Hi all, Has there been any progress on any group or individual lawsuits against KNC/Titan in the last 4-5 months? Haven't kept up with the news regarding these scammers.  |
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Thanks Btcusury, I think Dr Rupert Sheldrake's thesis on morphic resonance is most refreshing, he correctly points out that science suffers from self created the dogmas such as the constants; specifically gravity and the speed of light. He has taken the trouble to verify that they are in fact not actually constant but vary. Since they have been around for as long as we can tell they may just be the most evolved and therefore most stable phenomena and could be evolving all be it at a more stable pace due to their age and prevalence. 10 Dogmas of Science https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ni4_6YJPM8Sheldrake is a pioneer in every sense of the word. To my mind, the morphogenetic field, whose vibrational resonance provides form, is of a frequency slightly higher than that which can be detected by current scientific instruments; what some are calling "higher 3rd density". Quantum theory, which is fundamentally probabilistic, has nothing to say about what it is that selects probabilities, but due to the limitations of the instrumentation of empiricism, is stuck within artificial parameters carried over from Newtonian mechanics, and thus dogmatically rejects Sheldrake's ideas (despite being to some extent testable/falsifiable), which would help explain why certain events (probabilities) "undergo the formality of actually occurring". Listen to this: Terence Mckenna heckled about science, maths, probability theory and Kurt Gödel |
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A point is the "zero-th" dimension. It has nothing except existence... no size or anything else.
A straight line is the first dimension. It has an infinite number of points, but it could be a single point stretched out.
A plane is the second dimension. It is made up of any number of lines that are one point thick, but it could be a single point stretched out in two directions.
Space is the third dimension. It is any number (infinite) of planes sitting one on top of another. But it could be one point stretched out in 3 directions. Just like the 1-dimensional line made up of 0-dimensional points, the 2nd dimension can be thought of as a plane of 1-dimensional lines parallel to each other. If each point is thought of as separated by the planck length, then you have an atomic dimensional framework. It's useful to think of each dimension as being "at right angles" ( orthogonal) to the dimension below... Time is the fourth dimension. It is variable occupancy of spacial objects (or points) in different areas or locations of space. ... which then means that "time" is the dimension within which observation/perception/experience happens in any given dimension. The flatlanders in Flatland would thus experience "time" as the 3rd dimension. The fifth dimension has to do with the twisting of time so that any of the lower dimensions can occupy the same space at the same time. If you continue the logic (the point-line-plane postulate), then the 5th dimension is a plane of parallel timelines, i.e. the probability space. The idea is that you will experience one of an infinite number of parallel realities based on your free will choices. That's as far as I go. The sixth dimension is beyond my simple thinking. Perhaps you can find a clear definition of it on the Net somewhere. Anything beyond the 5th is extremely theoretical and the only "clear" definition is in the form of ultra-abstract mathematical string theory equations. But a good way to imagine the idea of a 6th dimension is offered by Rob Bryanton in his Imagining the Sixth Dimension, in which he uses causality as the threshold that separates the 5th from the 6th, the 6th being the phase space for our universe. A phase space is a closed system in which all possible states of the system are represented. So all possible states of the universe from the big bang till the end of the universe exist in the 6th dimension, but only one causal path "undergoes the formality of actually occurring", as Terence McKenna would've put it. EDIT: Let me add one other little piece of info. It is the 6th dimension and beyond that give substance to objects in space. Define "substance".  Nothing ->Energy -> mater -> atoms -> molecules -> amino acids -> proteins -> single cellular life -> multi cellular life -> individual consciousness -> collective consciousness I'd change that to: Existence (The One) -> Consciousness (All That Is) -> Energy (lower density of vibrational frequency) -> matter (highly crystallized density, vibration so lowered as to be perceptible to the senses). |
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I think you need laughter as a dimension. Broaden the term, anything can be a dimension.
But if you want to stay with physics, stick with the "Standard model" and what it says about dimensions. What? The Standard Model (of particle physics) says nothing about dimensions. That's where less-reductionist interpretations of QM come in, with superstring theories being by far the most advanced mathematical framework describing higher dimensions... but all under some silly assumptions about the nature of time. |
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I think you really need consciousness as another dimension.
1. Space being one dimension (with the aspects of h, w, and l)
2. Tme being a second dimensions (again with its aspects of past, present, and future)
3. And consciousness being the third dimension. (with its aspects of awareness or not awareness)
Remove anyone of these three things and no experiment to prove the others can take place.
Bingo! Except that space is the 3rd dimension, and the 4th dimension is not "time" but is rather a way of accounting for change in the 3rd. All dimensions can be thought of this way. Consciousness (or light) is thus the 5th dimension, which is orthogonal to spacetime. Imagining the Fifth Dimension |
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“Random”‐ness is known only to ignorance.
Was about to reply to your apple comment, but I don't quite know what you mean by this. Are you saying that things only appear random while we are ignorant of their cause? eg. Apples appear to fall at random time intervals to the ignorant, however when we find the causes of the falling apples (wind/deterioration of the stalk/increasing weight/gravity etc.) then what once appeared random now becomes predictable and a pattern can be made? I agree with this, however many quantum effects are truly random, which is very rare in nature. So (according to current quantum theory) we can never predict these effects with certainty, just with various probabilities. Space is the 3rd dimension. Time is the 4th. Whatever the 5th is like, we can calculate, but it takes all kinds of mental tricks to hold it in the mind and understand it. 6th? 7th? 8th? How many dimensions are there? Might they even be infinite? I would suggest that quantum is causal just like everything else. It's just that the causes lie in dimensions where we don't have any practical way of even suggesting, much less determining, what the causes are like, to say nothing of what they might be. On the other hand, there might be a dimension where cause and effect, and randomness meet, where the come together, where they are the same thing, right? -there's the placebo effect, which you seem to have failed to observe. Frustratingly, even the most bizarre rituals have had documented effects, rather than no effect. Hence, "placebo effects" where various unknown effects are lumped together and ignored.
I think you guys are onto something... What do you think of this: Imagining the Fifth DimensionImagining the Sixth DimensionPlacebos Becoming More Effective? |
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Aristotelian ontology retarded us so much...
Consciousness is within, not without. There is nothing outside.
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After 2 weeks of trying different configurations/settings (PSU loads, cables, clocking, voltage, pools, difficulty, etc), I finally got the Titan running stably at ~320 MH/s. Would there be any benefit to upgrading from fw 1.05 to 1.10?
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I haven't read the rest of the thread and will only read this. And it's too pretentious because if you dispute what that guy just said, you're enabling scotsmen and their sheep shagging hobbies. I'm sure there's a lot of texan sheep shaggers here though, there usually is whenever something is about accumulating coins of some sort. It isn't ok to just go shagging goats and sheep and cows like that, and hurling goat turd infested dicks in prison is not genocide, if anything it's genocide of the half-breed goat-human species alex jones or rand paul belong to.
Yeah, you make a valid point there. |
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Postulate to consider: TKeenen is another of Bruno's alts. Discuss.
(... well, someone needed to float the proposition.)
What a crazy conspiracy theory! Good thinking! That would explain the extreme vitriol from TKeenan. Phin would be attempting to control the backlash (opposition) by posing as the other side and making it about extreme personal attacks (adding the "and your family" component) rather than balanced consideration of the known facts, so that others will not join or comment. (It seems rather unlikely though...) |
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Who is "we"? Has Patrick asked for an apology and retraction? The crime is against community. The community is due an apology. When a man beats his wife, it is a crime against society. Even if she forgives him and does not prosecute her civil claim, society still goes for a criminal conviction. That fat asshole didn't just screw Mr. Murck, he screws everyone. Everyone who doesn't demand an apology accepts such behavior and further harms the community. He should be held to account. That is all. Your absurdly-abstract collectivist notions are what make ideas like genocide possible. 'Desires harm to his family'? Nope. I never desired anything of the sort. I just mentioned that is what Murck ought to do to him. Thus you desire Murck to do that to him, to harm him AND his family. Your evasions are transparent. Phin is a world class idiot and conspiracy theorist. Which normally I don't give a fuck about. But when a good hard working honest man is slandered so profoundly, I am going to splash a little mud back in that direction. Everyone in this community should also push back when some out of control idiot starts behaving in a manner which upsets the good order. We can't rely on the courts to do this function. It is a self-policing environment. But to defend such a shithead and his behavior is also the work of morons. Continue as you like. "The good order"? What exactly is that? You sound very fearful of uncertainty. I'm guessing you watch TV and vote republicrat and laugh at "conspiracy theorists". LOL. Bruno, I sincerely hope you actually have the evidence you speak of and have turned it over to the proper authorities. If you were throwing FUD out to try and get a point across, you need to man up, admit it and apologize. It is definitely not cool to accuse someone of being a pedo with nothing to back it up... but I have to believe you know that. No, you see what happened is Bruno said he'd bring the evidence. Then, it turns out some dumb bitch in his family got depressed. Bruno says this is because Murck has attacked his family. So now Bruno decided he does not have to show the evidence. This is Bruno's plan to get out of responsibility for what he did. Phin, do you wish to specifically deny this? (We all just want the truth here, amidst the mud-slinging.) |
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Again, no. I am not contributing to any legitimization of any such belief. The cold stark reality is that, for the foreseeable future, there will be overlords. Refraining from voting will do absolutely nothing to change this. Alright, I see where our understanding departs. I don't agree at all that that is "the cold stark reality". You will have overlords only as long as you are of that vibration. I can accept as a matter of faith that the reason you refrain from voting is that you believe it somehow advances the cause of liberty. I think you are wrong, but I can accept that as a motivating factor. However, you know who else refrains from voting? The disillusioned. The apathetic. The lazy. In refraining from voting, your actions in this regard are in effect, and in fact, indistinguishable from these classes. Yes, I realize that my act of voting is indistinguishable from that of power mad collectivists as well. But my point is that refraining from voting accomplishes exactly nothing. For you to assert that it is somehow superior seems silly to me. Refraining from voting "accomplishes exactly nothing" in terms of affecting the existing system that you don't like. And this is the illusion you are choosing to buy into. What advances the cause of liberty is discovering who and what you (we) are. Seek the answers to be big questions. Perhaps you missed upthred where I have had this discussion face-to-face with Larken, and we both walked away with a begrudging assent that our respective positions were defensible. If you really want to debate this, I'm not going to do it through proxy to YouTube. As you can see in his videos, Larken doesn't agree with the idea that your position is actually defensible, because by voting you are contributing (however insignificantly) to the enslavement of human beings by means of fear and violence. But you know what I find funny? Each of us are expending energy -- trying to show each other the error in each others' ways. Despite the fact that we likely agree largely with each other on the important underlying issues. I've already sunk more effort into this stupid thread than my act of informed voting consumed. Would our time not be better spent actually out amongst the masses, telling them about the evils of 'authority'? We don't currently agree with each other on the (most) important underlying issues. Though you see a major aspect of the big picture of the problem, it is not until one understands the true nature of change that any major positive change will happen in one's reality. Simply put, the more you pay attention to the system you don't like (even to the degree of participating in it), the more you'll get of that, because the universe does not understand like/dislike, only likeness. |
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OMG, Phin is obese?? I can't believe I ever said a word that could be construed as defending him! Let's sum up this thread: TKeenan has a very valid point about reckless accusations, and points out that if indeed Phin doesn't have the evidence that he said he has, he deserves to be shamed. But then TKeenan surrounds that valid point with even nastier insults, even desiring harm to Phin's family. So, TKeenan, perhaps you should question things more, including your own emotions. I am not taking sides, but threads like this (and the attitudes behind it) are one of the reasons BTC is still not taken seriously by most people. Are there psychiatrists that accept Bitcoin?  The sample size you are judging is perhaps 0.0001% of Bitcoin users, so I don't see how you can make such an extrapolation... |
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It blows my mind that KNC have "sold" non working titans worth 10-20 million dollars and get away with it... how is that fucking possible ?
Yes, and insisting on sending the defective product, which may even be a fire hazard, instead of offering refunds and then using the Titans in their mining farm operation. How could they possibly believe that this was the smartest thing to do? |
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Having trouble following the thread you moron... It was Bruno's family, not Murck's family. Try a little harder at reading comprehension. I was obviously referring to YOUR reference to Bruno's family, not Bruno's reference (or lack thereof) to Murck's family. You either totally lack reading comprehension, or you're trying to cloud the issue. Read my post again more carefully if it is the former. In either case I am going to insist on this point. Oh - how about testifying before congress? That could be considered actual work which requires a great deal of skill and intellect. Did you forget about that? If he testified before a Sicilian Mafia council, I'd remember that too, but I wouldn't call that "actual work" that helps Bitcoin or cryptocurrency in any way. |
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paranoia. You started this war. If it turns out you made that shit up about Murck - you need to be severely dealt with. I say you have 24 hours to produce legitimate evidence - or that which they have planned for you and your family was well deserved. I'll even send them money if someone posts a bitcoin address to support their counterattack on you and your family. This isn't the first time you came around here yelling "Pedophile". If it is not true, you are way overdue for being shut down. Dude, WTF? You may have a point about reckless accusations, but I didn't see Phin even mentioning Murck's family. Murck has no time at all to waste doing a lawsuit against a psycho. That is very time consuming and he is busy doing actual work which actually produces some good effect on the system. Just out of curiosity, can you give some examples of such "actual work"? People who suggest we allow Bruno to remain in the community can expect a community of high disorder and chaos and lawlessness. While so many of the bitcoin community love the stupid notion of anarchy - it is merely because they don't really get what that is. Or could it be you who doesn't really get what it is? Please stop defending this asshole, stop accepting such horrible behavior, and stop Bruno from ruining the lives of those at the very head of the effort to make bitcoin a great system for all. Your behavior is worse than Bruno's, as I point out above. False accusations do not ruin lives (unless the state becomes involved). Anyone can post anything about anyone on the Internet. That's a fact that you have to deal with, regardless of much you may fear non-conformance to arbitrary rules (disorder/"chaos"). And you need to prove your contention that Murck is "at the very head of the effort to make bitcoin a great system for all". I still haven't seen any retraction nor apology which is where we all should start the path to putting this behind us. Bruno is the lowest form of scum and isn't going to get off this charge by saying: 'they are trying to kill my family". That is just more bullshit on top of the other bullshit. You are assuming that he doesn't have the evidence he claims he has, which he says he has now handed over to "the appropriate authorities". We all have skin in this game. Murck is a highly educated guy sitting in the top seat of the effort to advance Bitcoin's cause before the eyes of all of government. Kicking that guy in the face is a very bad idea. I don't give a shit about him personally, but he is presently in a position to do the most good for bitcoin. So you want Bitcoin to be approved by "government", I see. Clearly you don't understand what decentralization means (nor what "government" is). You're an obedient order-follower without conscience, correct? Censorship is never prudent - it is always corrupt. Let people have their say. Don't try to control what others think or say. LOL. Comments like these are so cute and naive. You've obviously never had to manage a large number of human beings before. Painfully obvious. Its so funny how people like yourself think that only people in power are corrupt. Its not possible that the myriads of regular people can't also be just as insanely corrupt, and in need of boundaries. I can only wish upon you the curse of having to manage a large community of people yourself. So you get to deal with being subjected to the insanity, tinfoil hats, unfounded paranoias, suspicions, and outright lying that comes from the "sheeples". -B- So you're saying that censorship is necessary to keep the "sheeples" in line, so that you can "manage" large numbers of them, so that you can feel superior to your fellow human beings. How cute. |
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You legitimize the system of control that you say you don't like,
Such is your claim. Now substantiate it. That's what I did... If a group calling itself the mafia told you that you have to choose one gang or another and they held "elections", would you feel that by participating in their sham you are somehow contributing to positive change, just a little bit? The act of participating is what creates the illusion of legitimacy. You consider that as substantiating your claim? Good thing you're not a lawyer. Firstly, it is merely an unsupported assertion. Secondly, an 'illusion' says more about the party whom is looking upon the situation than it says about the party being observed. All you are substantiating here is that your ability to reason has been overridden by your preconceived biases. I take the same position as btcusury, as you already know, and I have to agree with your assessment. Btcusury, and anyone else debating something of substance, I highly recommend the following site: Logical Fallacies and the Art of Debate . It will sharpen your wit, and help you to avoid obvious fallacies (or at least construct them in such a way as to entrap the unwary, such as strawmen). What "obvious" logical fallacy or fallacies did I commit? jbreher recognizes that he is voting for one or another of the "power-mad psychopaths that will lord over us", yet doesn't see how it is that by participating in the "elections" sham these "power-mad psychopaths" and the "news" media create he is contributing to the legitimization of the belief in what he recognizes as "The Most Dangerous Superstition", i.e. the belief in authority. If this logic seems unclear or fallacious to you, I'd suggest you haven't done enough research. In the past, I did find references where it had been determined that participating in an elective system binds you to the outcome regardless of whether you agree to it. My time has been severely truncated for the time being, so I cannot make that argument with reference at this time. I'll find my old sources eventually.
However, as my basal argument, I would have to say that by participating in the system, you at least agree that it has utility, and that it's outcome is influenced by your desires. Would you agree thus far?
You seem as confused as jbreher... I mean, "references where it had been determined"? Determined by whom? An "authority" other than yourself? Perhaps these will help: Voting Is An Act of ViolenceYa Gotta Vote!Message to the Voting Cattle - Larken Rose |
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A possible another reason they waiting till the final hour to disclosed exactly when KnC paid, if they did, so that they'll have plenty of time to pen the legalese disclaimer as to why such-and-such occurred as it did.
Can't these motherfuckers even see how this issue ONLY is tearing them apart, and it's been going on for over five months now.
Today's AMA was billed as..............
I"M SO GODDAMNED PISSED NOW I CAN"T THINK STRAIGHT AND OPTED TO LOCK THE CAPS TO PEN MY SENTIMENT>
I don't think I understand the reason for the air of importance this issue is being given. What's the relevance? The fact that KNC is a member of TBF at all after clearly turning to the dark side and becoming outright scammers is itself an indictment of the group of posers behind "TBF". |
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