Yes, good job... I can't believe it took them this long to start taking it. I guess since they are using coinbase, they will be able to identify the donator, probably for legal reasons..unless there is a way to open up a coinbase account anonymously.
There is no need to open a Coinbase account. They do ask however for personal details when donating, which in theory I guess could be spoofed. |
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As I can see wikimedia is accepting bitcoin. Does it mean we'll get to see the bitcoin logo when wikipedia will raise donation ? I doubt it, it's just another one in a long list of possible payment options. |
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Apparently there's an additional email they're sending when the "donation is fully processed", I guess we'll be wiser tomorrow. Linking to the receipt provided by Coinbase and the transaction on Blockchain.info would be adequate in my opinion. This would verify that the bitcoins were sent when they were worth the amount in USD as stated on the Coinbase receipt.
Sounds good but the challenge remains that it's difficult to define a donation amount in USD that will lead to the desired BTC amount. However, getting someone else's receipt does sound difficult, so I guess even with a small mismatch it's still a strong indication. |
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So I've tested out the system. They're using Coinbase for processing which has these implications: 1. There is no public Bitcoin address associated with Wikipedia. 2. The amount donated is denominated in USD (thus I cannot specify the exact amount of the pledge). 3. There isn't that much by way of confirmation of the donation - all I get is a Coinbase receipt like https://coinbase.com/orders/c2e107a91057283dcebf7708255650c3/receipt. Per the rules of the titular pledge, I am now to forward the 8.0728757 pledged bitcoins to Wikipedia. But given the above it's not clear to me how to do that in a way that proves that I have. I welcome suggestions for the best way to do it. (PS I believe there was little to no effect of this pledge on their decision, but the money is going to a good cause anyway). |
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Wikipedia has now announced that they are accepting Bitcoin. Stay tuned.
(PS these are amazing news).
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תודה רבה על עדכון התאריך ,
כמו כן תודה גם על ההסבר המפורט של עלות הכרטיס.
אכן מסכים איתך כי ישנם הוצאות מסביב , לא עלה בדעתי כי המחיר יוכל להגיע לכאלה סכומים.
לעומת זאת מקווה כמו שכתבת כי לפעם הבאה המחירים יהיו זולים יותר ולא יהיה צורך בלהרים הרצאה בומבסתית במלון כמו ההילטון.
אגב, האם עדיין קיימת אפשרות לקנות כרטיסים במחיר שכתבת ?
(250$)
תודה.
אתה שוב כותב "הרצאה" בלשון יחיד, אתה מודע כמובן לכך שמדובר בכ-35 הרצאות ופאנלים מפי 40 דוברים לאורך יומיים? (וכמובן שחלק מרכזי מהסיפור זה אולם התערוכה וה-networking). למועד החדש של הכנס תהיה הרשמה מוקדמת חדשה (כנראה במחיר נמוך יותר מ-$250). |
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היי ,
רציתי לשאול כמה שאולת,
ראשית , הבנתי שהכנס נדחה ?
האם למישהו יש מידע כל שהוא למתי הוא צפוי להדחות?
התאריך החדש טרם נקבע, כנראה שזה יהיה בין אוקטובר לדצמבר. שנית , למה מחיר של כנס עולה 600$ ?
זה לא קצת מוגזם לשלם יותר מ 2000 שח עבור הרצאה?
אני באמת רוצה להבין למה המחיר כזה יקר. יש שם מקרופון וכסאות מזהב?.
אשמח לשמוע את דעתכם בנושא.
תודה רבה מראש.
המספר $600 אינו באמת רלוונטי כי זה רק למי שקונה במקום. למי שקונה כרטיס מראש המחיר היה $275 (או $250 בהרשמה המוקדמת). הכיסאות אינם מזהב אבל כיאה לכנס בינלאומי מכובד בחרנו במלון הילטון שנחשב למקום מבוקש עבור כנסים ונמצא במיקום מרכזי. המחיר שהמלון גובה עבור כל משתתף הוא כחצי ממחיר הכרטיס הנ"ל וכמובן כולל ארוחת צהריים וכיבוד לשני ימי הכנס. לזה תוסיף את כל מי שאינו קונה כרטיס אך המלון גובה עליו כגון דוברים, כתבים, צלמים, מארגנים וכו'. תוסיף לזה את עלויות הלוגיסטיקה והשיווק, משכורות לעובדי חברות ההפקה בארץ ובחו"ל, סיוע בהוצאות נסיעה של דוברים מבוקשים מחו"ל וכו', ותגיע למספר הנ"ל. לא כלולים בחישוב אנשי איגוד הביטקוין הישראלי שמארגנים את הכנס בהתנדבות. ראוי לציין שעלות הכניסה לכנסי ביטקוין מקבילים בעולם היא פי 2-4. עם זאת בכנס החדש נשקול בחירת מקום זול יותר שיאפשר להוזיל את עלות הכניסה. |
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יש לי אפשרות לקבל אותו חינם עם חשמל חינם אז אני רוצה לדעת מראש
עבור ביטקוין הכרטיס שציינת לדעתי לא שווה את הטרחה של ללחוץ על הכפתור שמתחיל את הכריה. תבדוק אבל את המצב עם אלטים. |
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ואין דרך לדעת כמה הוא יכול ליצר?
אתה יכול לדעת כמה הוא ייצר עכשיו מחישוב פשוט של ה-hashrate שלו ודרגת הקושי הנוכחית. יש מחשבונים שעושים את זה למשל https://alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator. אתה לא יכול לדעת מה תהיה דרגת הקושי בעתיד, אם היית יודע היית יכול להתעשר כמו בכל שוק ספקולטיבי אחר. הדעה הרווחת כיום היא שבהתחשב בדרגת הקושי כיום, השקעה בחומרת כריה אינה רווחית. |
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הוא לא. כיום אין טעם לכרות ביטקוין עם משהו שאינו ASIC כריה.
אולי אפשר לכרות איתו אלטים מסוימים, אבל גם אז הוא יהיה בנחיתות לעומת כרטיסים של ATI.
מזה ASIC כרייה? ASIC = Application Specific Integrated Circuit = שבב יעודי במקרה זה שבבים יעודיים לכריית ביטקוין, שעושים זאת בצורה יעילה פי 200 מכרטיסי מסך. |
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הוא לא. כיום אין טעם לכרות ביטקוין עם משהו שאינו ASIC כריה.
אולי אפשר לכרות איתו אלטים מסוימים, אבל גם אז הוא יהיה בנחיתות לעומת כרטיסים של ATI.
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Palestinians gave a little land to the jews back in the day to live on and those unthankful slaves took over more than half the country.
We bought the land. We paid top dollar for worthless swamps, and worked hard to drain them and make them livable. The Arabs were envious of our success, much like a small child who only wants a toy when he sees another one playing with it. They attacked unprovoked, and we retaliated, repeating ad infinitum. killing 300-400 palestinians before breakfast everyday.
The only reason there are less Israeli civilian casualties than Palestinian, is that Israel protects its civilians with guidance and shelters, and Hamas uses civilians as human shields. "We bought the land. " Some land was bought, but certainly not all of it. Even the parts that were purchased legitimately have some contentious aspects to it (). Most (if not all) purchases took place before the large scale post WW2 divisions of the land (remember the area was part of British colony at this stage NOT Arab controlled). Most of the talking points around the land these days are due to Israel illegally taking and settling on more and more new land and not adhering to the legal and intl recognised 1967 borders. I'm sure there were plenty of perfectly legit purchases of land from Arabs and Ottomans etc back in the pre WW2 days but to suggest that all land that was Palestine that Israel now holds is legitimately owned because of simple land purchases is really pushing it. This is a really oversimplified reply to a hugely complex issue, but if you browse wikipedia (like these pages i found in 5 seconds), its a good starting point to see how complex the issue is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#Zionism_and_the_British_mandatehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestinehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestinehttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/24/israel-borders-indefensible-netanyahu-aipachttp://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.589343). Also I know that there were plenty of calls from Palestinian sides at various times to not accept even the '67 borders. But usually by the extremists etc who just want Israel gone - who have various levels of support but overall are the minority (no more than the amount of extreemists in Israel/USA who have equally extreme views for example). Disclaimer: Just to note that I fully support the right of Israel to exist and live in peace etc but I also think Palestinians deserve the same; no more or less (equality is the path to peace). I grew up in UK/Ireland during the 'IRA terrorist years' and there are many parallels. I dont think digging up these old arguments of who has the right to this land and that land serves any purpose anymore because that part of the world has gone through a lot of changes in the last 100+ years alone so its become pointless. There were plenty of Jews there before Israel existed, it is their home and rightly so - equally true for Palestinians IMHO (equality is the path to peace). My feeling is that the best hope for peace is for Israel to move back to the '67 borders, to leave Palestinian territories alone and relinquish any controls over it and let UN/Intl bodies govern Palestine until it can get rid of Hamas and those types and install a more moderate government. Both sides will accept the 67 borders, I think, and I doubt there are many people in Israel that would like their state to take a break from occupying West bank and Gaza + have some peace, rather than continue to expand the settlements just to take it all, no? "The only reason there are less Israeli civilian casualties than Palestinian, is that Israel protects its civilians with guidance and shelters, and Hamas uses civilians as human shields." Well, in that case I guess you believe that Palestinian militants have the same level of weaponry as Israel in order to cause a proportionate amount of damage and casualties (i.e. it just so happens that Israel has an Iron Dome and Hamas does not)? How many airfighters, helicopters, tanks, submarines, nukes does Palestinians have? Even skipping that - how many Hamas rockets have explosive/shrapnel/chemical capabilities ( http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israel-using-flechette-shells-in-gaza https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/12939-israel-uses-illegal-weapons-in-gaza) *cough illegal weaponry*? When Hamas entered Israel that ONE time recently through a tunnel, did they manage to cause any civilian casualties before getting killed? If HAmas could kill more Israelis, I'm sure they would, but they arent able to - Israel is one of the largest and strongest armies in the world and quite easily defends itself against Hamas - probably more easily in this conflict than any other - because Hamas has hardly any modern military equipment. Saying that the ONLY reason Hamas rockets are not causing more casualties is because of the Iron dome is giving Hama's weaponry and capability way too much credit. Maybe your saying more Palestinians die because Israel doesnt use human shields and Hamas does? Most people know Israel will strike at buildings and people it deems to be targets irregardless of their civilian purpose/status (report posted recently: http://blogs.channel4.com/miller-on-foreign-affairs/gazas-humanitarian-disaster-trapped-gaza/1148 http://blogs.channel4.com/snowblog/gazas-alshifa-hospital/24224 also UN facilities hit: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/16/world/middleeast/16mideast.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0). If Hamas are doing it to try to deter Israel strikes, its not working. If they are doing it to get propaganda material they are pretty desperate - and in the end, Gaza is a densely populated area so large scale attacks are going to cause large scale civilian casualties (700+ dead today, about 75% civilian according to UN) and if one is really concerned about saving innocent bystanders then one doesnt shoot at hospitals anyway to save oneself and endanger many others at the same time - EVEN IF it was the intent of the bad guy in the first place to use human shields and it is endangering oneself. If Israel knows HAmas will use innocents as shields, then Israel should, IMHO, try to find another solution (in this case ONLY by sending in ground troops to take out rockets and fighters with precision, not dropping massive bombs in residential areas). Pretty normal moral standard, really. Dont get me wrong, Hamas shouold not be doing this, its illegal and really disgusting. But they are doing it, so what should Israel (assuming it is the moral superior) do differently then? Just continue anyway with bombing...? In the end there are some reports of Israel committing human shield crimes... so it might not be black and white, as usual. http://rt.com/news/israel-torture-palestinian-children-004/http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-the-myth-of-hamass-human-shield-9619810.htmlIf I get more time at some point ill post more / better info. but its out there if you look. Assume neither side is innocent and keep seeking the info. And I'm not taking sides, even though to a proIsrali it must seem so (see last link at bottom). I deeply condone the human rights violations committed on both sides, as does any decent person. I believe equality of treatment and equality of all human rights is the only way to peace, its just that one side has almost all the support and the might of the biggest superpower in history, which means media + economic + military + political support... Palestinians have a tiny fraction of this and it shows. OK, I'm done posting about this I'm getting tired and run out of time and so im sure no one is even reading it any more, so ill sign off on this (hopefully forever now) - the info is out there people. Do not believe me or anyone else, find it out for yourself. Assume everyone has a bias and cast a wide net when gathering info to form an opinion. No one is telling the full truth or knows everything about what is happening or what has happened. Just keep seeking info from everywhere and think things through to a logical conclusion or as close as one can. I'm certainly learning more every day and I've been following this horrible topic for decades, but as bad as it seems it is a lot better every year in terms of people getting educated and improved media openness. Sorry for all the long posts in this thread and others, but it deserves more than flipquips. Equality = peace. http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=48330#.U9DDqPmSxUoAs anyone who has read the discussion in my vanity thread knows, I have no interest in politics or foreign affairs. I don't watch the news and while obviously I hear about the important stuff from my environment, I barely paid heed to the current situation in Israel before it started affecting my conference. Because of this I do not know, or care to learn or discuss, all the details of this issue which is, as you correctly state, extremely complicated. I also don't really treat the haters here very seriously, so I was satisfied with providing simplistic answers that explain the key counterpoints to the questions raised here. Despite the length of your post and despite my general disinterest, I did read it fully because you have clearly made an effort to explore the subject in depth. I won't address all of your points, I'll just say that Israel is indeed the big guy, and that I think it shows the restraint this position mandates. This point is carried across by this caricature by my favorite cartoonist from childhood. Israel's government and military - both the official policies and the individuals within it - are not saints, but they are making a great effort to maintain moral standards in impossible situations. I deeply condone the human rights violations committed on both sides
Surely you mean "condemn". The meaning is obvious here but you want to be careful with typos that reverse the meaning. |
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Thanks for the pointer, and kudos for using colored coins, but I think I'll hold on to my soul for the time being. |
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Palestinians gave a little land to the jews back in the day to live on and those unthankful slaves took over more than half the country.
We bought the land. We paid top dollar for worthless swamps, and worked hard to drain them and make them livable. The Arabs were envious of our success, much like a small child who only wants a toy when he sees another one playing with it. They attacked unprovoked, and we retaliated, repeating ad infinitum. killing 300-400 palestinians before breakfast everyday.
The only reason there are less Israeli civilian casualties than Palestinian, is that Israel protects its civilians with guidance and shelters, and Hamas uses civilians as human shields. If hamas is so bad how come they won the elections with a clear majority? Please answer this if you claim they are against there own state and civilians. I can only guess why they do what they do, or why the people condone them. But power-hungry leaders swaying their population is not unheard of. |
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