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Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: the Block Discarding Attack / shellfish mining
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on: November 06, 2013, 12:36:11 PM
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I can confirm that Lear has discussed with me the results of his research a day before the paper by Eyal and Sirer was published. I suggest that a block composer that includes a fork evidence as part of his/her block, where one of the evidence forked blocks is a predecessor of the newly composed block, will be rewarded half of the reward goes to the forked block, and the forked block owner will be totally disrewarded.
If I understand this correctly, some coins will be destroyed in the process, which is not what we want.
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Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Is that possible to know from which input coins come from?
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on: November 04, 2013, 08:17:09 AM
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Right. It's impossible to unambiguously track a single bitcoin (or whatever) through many transactions because there's no objective way to say which output it's in.
So, in that case how is concept of "colored coins" is going to work? You define your own standard of matching inputs and outputs. Colored coins transactions need to be carefully constructed to conform to this standard and make such matching possible. A transaction like you propose will uncolor the coins because it mixes inputs of several colors into the same output, and is this something to avoid. Please see https://bitcoil.co.il/BitcoinX.pdf for a worked example with order-based coloring.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Colored coins VS Mastercoins - Which one is better?
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on: October 30, 2013, 04:52:51 PM
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Question: If a company wants to issue 100,000 shares of stock, and wants to track each individual share, i.e. each share needs to have an ID associated with it, which coin should they use?
You could do it in CC with advanced color kernels. However note that people will still be able to do mixing transactions. JR should comment on the ability to do it with Mastercoin. Surely it would work for a contractual right of any kind (such as bonds, options and other derivatives etc). Also, for any kind of personal property that can be net-enabled?
Yes. Both CC and MSC should handle this from my understanding. Right.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Colored coins VS Mastercoins - Which one is better?
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on: October 29, 2013, 07:15:37 AM
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I just read a little bit of both schemes. I'm confused by these design They want to use a token to present any asset. But assets are not like money, usually they don't have fungibility, that requires a whole lot of validation of each assets: What if the underlying asset is destroied or lost? Who is going to audit the quality of each asset? etc ... Besides, when it comes to purchase of assets, people seldom need an online system, they will meet personally and do the deal in person Anyway, the abstraction level of both design is low, they are only suitable for a very limited sample of real world situation where the presented asset is standardized, like 99.99% pure gold bar. But, who is going to make sure you didn't get a tungsten stick? That gold bar is not locked together with a token in blockchain Actually the validation problem is the core reason that an exchange can not be really carried out on a P2P network: Bitcoin's genuinity is validated by the blockchain, there is no problem at this end, but at the other end, you always need to rely on some authority to ensure its validity. On a P2P exchange if you receive lots of counterfeited USD, what you can do with them? The main use case is company stock. You have to believe in the company of course, but you don't need to rely on any centralized, cumbersome stock exchange.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Colored coins VS Mastercoins - Which one is better?
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on: October 28, 2013, 08:43:37 AM
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Does these updates change the perspective of both Coloured and Master coins? http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-core-dev-update-5-transaction-fees-embedded-data/It seems that the developers will leave a space of 80 bytes to store for example the hash of a title of property and some extra info in a future proof space on the blockchain for what I understand. Both coloured coins and master coin could take advantage of this and politely store their information where they have put a space for them. Are they going to do it in your opinion? Did I miss something? Could someone ELI5 on the meanings of these changes? This is useful for tag-based coloring (as opposed to order-based coloring), however without a network rule enforcing the color tags the usefulness is limited. Note that colored coins' use of the blockchain is already much less hostile than Mastercoin's current implementation.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: is bitcoin bigger than we think?
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on: October 27, 2013, 05:40:13 AM
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I think that Bitcoin is as big as I think it is - a $2B economy with >10K businesses and hundred of thousands of users. Based on data from http://www.similarweb.com/website/bitcointalk.org, it looks like the forum gets about 1M pageviews per day. Google: how do I buy
look at what comes up
You do know that Google search results and autocomplete are targeted? If you look at Bitcoin all day, it will give you Bitcoin-related results... It has little to do with Bitcoin's popularity. Interesting because i dont look at stocks or houses. so i guess they weigh targeting against most common searches? Yes.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: is bitcoin bigger than we think?
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on: October 27, 2013, 05:24:47 AM
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I think that Bitcoin is as big as I think it is - a $2B economy with >10K businesses and hundreds of thousands of users. Based on data from http://www.similarweb.com/website/bitcointalk.org, it looks like the forum gets about 1M pageviews per day. Google: how do I buy
look at what comes up
You do know that Google search results and autocomplete are targeted? If you look at Bitcoin all day, it will give you Bitcoin-related results... It has little to do with Bitcoin's popularity.
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Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Analysis of Bitcoin Pooled Mining Reward Systems
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on: October 27, 2013, 05:03:52 AM
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Where is CPPSRB?
Not worth spending time on. I believe it was invented / became popular after the paper was completed, and I don't update it for every new broken method. IIRC, it's fairly similar to the *SMPPS. Weird. I thought I heard you using it as an example at the conference as a scheme which made a long term uncertainty of when you'd be paid. I think it's something of an extreme example of making tradeoff for the lowest long term uncertainty in exchange for the higher medium term uncertainty. Kind of an odd example. Primary argument I have against it is that the high medium term uncertainty kinda stinks. I didn't mention CPPSRB except perhaps in the context of the list of pools and their methods in the end; and I didn't use the term "long-term uncertainty". Of course, this doesn't contradict the statement that it is newer than the paper; the paper is 2 years old. The closest thing I can think of is in the reward method triangle, I've probably mentioned that PPLNS can achieve any tradeoff between variance and maturity time. The main problem with CPPSRB, as with all other methods that I refer to as broken, is that it is not hopping-proof. The hoppability is low, but still exists.
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Local / עברית (Hebrew) / Re: מחפש לקנות ביטקוין בכסף
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on: October 25, 2013, 10:56:39 AM
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אהלן, יש אנשים בישראל שרוצים למכור ביטקוין ? אני מוכן לקנות במזומן.
כן, בוא לאחד המפגשים ויהיה לך ממי לקנות במזומן. כמו כן יש חלפנים מקצועיים שעובדים עם העברות בנקאיות. באילו סכומים מדובר?
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Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: And if half of the miners turn off their hardwares ?
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on: October 25, 2013, 07:44:45 AM
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Mining a block takes 10 minutes in average. But it may take 10 seconds or 10 weeks as well. Did anybody make a calculation, what's the probability that it will take a week to mine a single block under normal conditions (i. e. when difficulty is adequate to the total hashing power)?
I've seen many guesses and opinions about but a real calculation done by someone who understands the subject has not yet been done, or at least published. It's a trivial calculation, and numbers have been published multiple times. Mining a block takes 10 minutes in average. But it may take 10 seconds or 10 weeks as well. Did anybody make a calculation, what's the probability that it will take a week to mine a single block under normal conditions (i. e. when difficulty is adequate to the total hashing power)?
I've seen many guesses and opinions about but a real calculation done by someone who understands the subject has not yet been done, or at least published. Bitcoin mining is a poisson distribution. It is far easier to just use a poisson distribution calculator (online, graphing calculator, mathematica). In 1 hour the expected # of events (blocks) is 6. The probability that there will be 1 or less is ~1.7% In 2 hours the expected # of events (blocks) is 12. The probability that there will be 1 or less is ~0.01% In 24 hours the expected # of events (blocks) is 144. The probability that there will be 1 or less is essentially 0 (4.198 E-61) Use the right terms, Bitcoin mining is a Poisson process. The number of blocks in a period of time follows the Poisson distribution. The numbers are good but I think it is more useful to think in terms of the time until the next block, which follows the exponential distribution. If the average is 10 minutes, the chance that the next block will be later than a day (1440 minutes) is exp (-1440/10) = 2.9 E-63. As for the original question re a week, that's exp(-7*1440/10) = 1.7 E-438.
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Economy / Service Discussion / Netsolus - Incompetent, terrible communication
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on: October 23, 2013, 05:25:08 PM
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I don't know how many have heard about Netsolus, so I hope I'm not doing them a favor by merely mentioning them.
But Newton's 3rd law states that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. And the reaction to their atrocious behavior is that I let you all know that they're terrible.
Netsolus is a server hosting company that, among other things, works in collaboration with BFL to offer hosting to owners of BFL hardware (yes, we know about the problems with BFL, let's not make this thread about them).
Having purchased 3 BFL 500 GH/s rigs, with the original plan being hosting them with Inaba, I was offered to host them with Netsolus (actually at first it was a different host, also not so great).
Since the rigs arrived one by one, the situation was a bit messy. Whenever I asked them for clarification about the status of my rigs, I either received no response at all, or a belated and incomplete one. I believe that for extended periods of time, rigs that were in their possession were not actually running, and it was a struggle to extract from them some information to allow me to investigate this.
The most egregious incident is for a rig that was delivered to their premises last Monday. I inquired last week, got a template response. After the weekend, again a template response.
This morning I received an invoice, I had to leave early so I noted it for future handling. Not having heard anything about the new rig I inquired again. First, I was told that the rig hasn't been brought online because of the outstanding invoice - that's no way to treat a customer who has already paid past invoices, trusting them with expensive equipment generating $200 per day. Second, they said that they have multiple times informed me that the outstanding invoice is a blocker to putting the rig up - which is a lie, they have not once said anything about this invoice beyond the automated invoice generation message, which of course did not say anything about being a blocker.
Their behavior has probably caused me more losses than the payment to them, which itself is arguably too pricey. That's on top of all the time (which I have very little of) wasted chasing them for some answers.
I'm highly dissatisfied.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are mining pools bad for Bitcoin?
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on: October 23, 2013, 12:34:06 PM
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It's not healthy for the ecosystem to have a few huge pools. However, a system such as Multi-PPS may make huge pools unneeded. Due to increasing difficulty, it is possible for a fixed hashrate miner to never ever find a block. This is correct. I said that huge pools will be unneeded, not that pools will be unneeded. Could the risks involved with pooled mining be minimized/ eliminated if the blockchain/coin itself was the pool and if each share was paid proportionally during the coin's entire lifespan ? It seems to me that if the blockchain itself needs to recognize shares it will be very bloated.
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