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221  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Upgrade bitcoin.org on: March 17, 2013, 06:58:27 AM
I did some important changes in the design : http://174.142.20.146/en/
222  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Upgrade bitcoin.org on: March 15, 2013, 03:01:48 AM
Gorgeous new logo was just up voted to the top on /r/Bitcoin reddit
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1a03gu/as_a_3d_artist_this_is_my_take_on_the_bitcoin/

Very nice, indeed. But not really adapted to small size. Was there some sort of official logo/brand decision in the past for Bitcoin?
223  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin.org and weusecoins.com in other languages on: March 15, 2013, 02:38:37 AM
We now have a deutsch version, thanks to nerzahd! http://174.142.20.145/de/
224  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Legal revision of the new bitcoin.org on: March 10, 2013, 04:26:15 AM
This raises serious thoughts, because even the video you suggested to add (weusecoins) starts with what?

"Bitcoin is the first decentralized digital currency" Ugh..

And what is the Bitcoin foudation goal with huge bold letters in the index page?

"Bitcoin Foundation standardizes, protects and promotes the use of Bitcoin cryptographic money for the benefit of users worldwide." Ugh..

I'm going to ask a second opinion on this soon. But I think that is an important concern. And if using currency and money is wrong, we are already in the wrong boat and not only bitcoin.org would need to be fixed.

This might have been discussed before, but if we don't use money or currency anywhere, we will need to find another term. Because to my knowledge, Bitcoin cannot live forever in a grey area that fits no category..

225  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Upgrade bitcoin.org on: March 10, 2013, 01:15:50 AM
Take Erik's money and make the webpage look something like this...
http://www.apple.com/itunes/
I think they know what they're doing when it comes to marketing.  Wink

Apple.com have no layout design :-) It's just a white page. And I think that the reason for this is obviously that they have plenty of magnificent pictures of their cute stuff and they want to draw 100% of people attention to it. In our case, Bitcoin is immaterial and we don't sell a product.. So it seems to me that we can't do the exact same thing.
226  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Upgrade bitcoin.org on: March 10, 2013, 01:03:03 AM
Yeah I felt that pretty much all of my changes were important. Right now the way you left is quite confusing and some of the terms such as ".. integrity of the blockchain is enforced.." are just plain wrong. Also I thought, and please don't take offense, right now some of those sentences simply sound French. I tried to change the flow a bit and clean them up even if I made them slightly longer. And I'm sure someone else could do an even better job at that than me, but as it is right now it's pretty awful (grammar and mainly style wise).

You can review what I've done with them, live and on github. And report what you feel is still wrong.

Concerning the "integrity of the blockchain is enforced by cryptography..", I wonder why you think this is wrong. Each block contains a signature that prevents any change in its own content _and_ in the content of all previous blocks. As such, the blockchain can't be corrupted or changed in any way. The same way, we also use a Merkle tree to share the blockchain with no risk of corruption just like torrent, thanks to cryptography. That is what I wanted to materialize in one sentence.
227  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Upgrade bitcoin.org on: March 10, 2013, 12:26:01 AM
A few minor suggestions (I'll highlight what I changed):

Thanks!

Some of these parts have been reviewed many time, so I included many of your changes but not them all. If you feel that one is especially important, don't hesitate to add comments about them so that everyone can discuss. I will explain why I felt we should keep the current version for these specific cases.

I also made a few reformulation that (I think) cover the reason for a few changes you suggested while still being compatible with other rules, such as the length of the sentences, the bold summary that must stay short and single-lined, the width of the paragraphs, etc..
228  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Upgrade bitcoin.org on: March 10, 2013, 12:13:37 AM
Can whomever is in charge of this new site version get in touch with me if they'd like to take my offer? Evoorhees on skype is probably best.

Erik I 100% agree with you. However it's open source development, so all you have to do is hire a good designer and point him towards: https://github.com/bitcoin-org/bitcoin.org and then make sure his work gets pulled.

Indeed, feel free to do the work and take feedback. I created this one with absolutely no idea about how it would be received.

If you provide the graphics and a design that receive a better general opinion on this forum than the one I did, I will be wiling to integrate the graphics and re-code the site to fit the new design. Unless it's really fancy and complicate, I will be able to reproduce the design with a good accuracy in HTML/CSS.

BTW, I am also listening if anyone want to be more specific about what are the problems with the current design. I can try many improvements. But I need specific feedback.
229  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Upgrade bitcoin.org on: March 08, 2013, 07:29:09 PM
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You might also want to consider hiding your computer's IP address so that it cannot be logged using a tool like Tor.

To me this reads as if Tor is the tool that is used to log ip addresses.

I'd change this to:

You might also want to consider hiding your computer's IP address so that it cannot be logged by others. You can use a tool like Tor to accomplish this.

Ah, that's right. Thanks! Will fix it!
230  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Upgrade bitcoin.org on: March 08, 2013, 06:56:19 PM
We can indeed try to improve what we have. I do not think we should not so thank you for trying.

I understand that you do not intend to replace the wiki.

If you have any suggestion or specific feedback (positive or negative), I will take it into account. For sure it can't please everyone. But I'm always trying to get the best possible result and to take all feedback. The website has already been reviewed, fixed and improved by many people.
231  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Upgrade bitcoin.org on: March 08, 2013, 06:16:43 PM
Well then the Bitcoin Wiki is superior.

Ah, I see. You think that the current website aims to replace the wiki? It's not the case. We still link to it everywhere. And it is indeed a nice and precious resource.

Comparing the website against the wiki is meaningless, both achieve different goals. The wiki can go much more in depth. The website is more accessible for the masses and is a better place for a concise and accessible presentation. (And not everyone understand how softwares and finance works, it's not a matter of laziness).

I do like the current website (and recycled all its content BTW).
232  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Upgrade bitcoin.org on: March 08, 2013, 05:55:05 PM
deepceleron : What are you thinking about my idea to add your content as the "extended How it works" page? I saved your work in order to adapt it later.
233  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Upgrade bitcoin.org on: March 08, 2013, 05:53:01 PM
Another possibility you could try is 'Glossary' (which has the advantage of being a little shorter).

Good one. But I don't see one that has a real advantage over the other. And there is already a bunch of links that points to vocabulary (and vocabulaire in the french version). So unless there is a real problem with "vocabulary", I would concentrate on other priorities. Like adding more extensive contents and making sure that our texts don't present legal risks.
234  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Upgrade bitcoin.org on: March 08, 2013, 05:36:49 PM
Would someone please define for me what the problem with the existing website is?

And what is this new website's target audience?

The answer is in the question, the previous website did have a restricted target audience. Being more developer orientated.

The new website aims to be accessible for the general public. And have a few specialized content for each user category (individual, organization, devs, enthusiasts), because each of those speak a different language.

Just refer at my initial post for the list of enhancements.
235  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Upgrade bitcoin.org on: March 07, 2013, 06:57:25 PM
I just got the same advise in the legal section of the forum. I've updated the page, thanks!
236  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Legal revision of the new bitcoin.org on: March 07, 2013, 06:53:41 PM
From the "about" page, what if we transform this :

"Bitcoin is designed around the idea of using cryptography to control the creation and transfer of money, rather than relying on central authorities."

to this :

"Bitcoin is designed around the idea of a new form of money that uses cryptography to control its creation and transactions, rather than relying on central authorities."
237  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Legal revision of the new bitcoin.org on: March 07, 2013, 04:55:16 PM
This is nice. I dont know about the "issuing money" section. That could be tricky.

Thanks! Do you think that using "issuing Bitcoins" instead of "issuing money" would be a good way to handle this?
238  Bitcoin / Legal / Legal revision of the new bitcoin.org on: March 07, 2013, 08:21:22 AM
Hi there,

A lot of work has been done to upgrade our current website bitcoin.org. The new one contains a lot of texts. And consequently, if any of you have some legal expertise, it would be appreciated that you read the texts and give us your thoughts and feedback.

http://bitcoin.org/

Thanks in advance,
239  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Upgrade bitcoin.org on: March 06, 2013, 08:47:38 AM
Just a suggestion, but you might ask one of the legal minds that loiter around here to pass an eye over it ...

e.g. ... claiming to "issue money" has been known to provoke the full fury of the state machinery.

Maybe disclaimers and etc. ... unless it is being hosted in an "undisclosed location" the site needs to be mindful of the jurisdiction of its hosting to the legal claims it is making on the web pages at a minimum.

Extremely interesting, is there any one here with enough legal knowledge to give good advises and do a revision of the texts?

I wanted to proceed this way -> Build the site -> Improve it through feedback -> Technical revision -> Legal revision

This is indeed a very important point and I would appreciate to have help on this.
240  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Upgrade bitcoin.org on: March 06, 2013, 06:58:16 AM
Sorry if this has come up before, but there doesn't seem to be information about buying bitcoins?

On the "How it works" page, it says "So all that is left to do that this point is to buy a few Bitcoins and to keep them safe."
It seems like half the trouble people run into is actually purchasing their first bitcoin; could a link be added there?

Totally true. Unfortunately, I doubt that bitcoin.org will be the right place to do promotion because of its official status. I think there is a need for a nice website to promote wallets, exchanges, merchant tools, merchants, and everything around this. Weusecoins already does this to a certain degree and we link to it. The wiki also contains a lot of information, but just cannot have the same qualities than a friendly website.
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