Meanwhile, as the residents of the ivory tower proclaim "slow, conservative growth" as the best path for Bitcoin (promising an official version 1.0 "sometime later this decade") certain factions have other plans:
Not quite sure you understand.. Stress testing is also what devs do. And SatoshiDice is a business with a concrete market, not pure "buy Bitcoin" speculation. |
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Small request:
On the "Choose Your Wallet" page, put the name of each client underneath each icon.
It is annoying to hover the mouse over each icon, just to find the names.
Will see what I can do. At the same time that I will improve the warning button. |
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Gratz, nice work !!
Very interresting.. much more attractive. Keep up the good work !
Thanks all! I'm glad you enjoy it, indeed let's continue! (and thanks for the donations by the way, someone already sent me a full BTC! Very appreciated) |
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This is so condescending that it is borderline insulting. Give people as much rope as they want. But include a big disclaimer.
Maybe I don't explain myself correctly. But what I mean is that there is a point where marketing decreases the quality of the information. We need Bitcoin users that are well informed and that play well with Bitcoin. Both to actually protects us and to protect those users, and thus, the Bitcoin economy that is already enough volatile. Growing, yes. But growing strong. I didn't say that it's necessarily a bad idea to let people find exchanges right from bitcoin.org . I'm just raising concerns so that if we do it, we try do to it well. |
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<Facepalm>
Of all clients, are you seriously pushing new, unsuspecting users to Multibit, which relies on Java, has coin-eating bugs and lacks wallet encryption?
Everyone on bitcoin-dev kind of agreed that no wallet is the right one. Multibit has been the one because it is a lightweight client. Most new users will get stuck with Bitcoin-Qt taking a complete day to sync, and it will be worse in the future. Though I am not aware myself of the coin-eating bug you refer too. If that is still accurate, then for sure it is a serious concern. |
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The upgrade is a major improvement.
But bitcoin.org (which should be bitcoin.com, duh!) should have as it's primary goal to drive users to purchase bitcoins.
I think many people will be against this. Because Bitcoin is vulnerable to speculation and if it grows too fast, it won't grow strong. And then, with a weak economy, bad things will happen, us being pointed as evil for users mistakes. Also, bitcoin-qt that builds the backbone of the network is still experimental. I think that the recent chain fork should remains us all this. Bitcoin might be a very strong protocol, but its implementation is still fragile for the huge value that is exchanged through it. I think the very highest priority is to help Bitcoin development first by making sure that the Foundation gets enough funds to pay existing and new developers. So basically yes, developping Bitcoin is great. But there might be strategic steps that are more likely to succeed in the long term. |
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The new site is excellent, very informative!
Under 'Some things you need to know':
Under 'Be careful with online wallets', perhaps there should be a word or two about two-factor identification, which is safer than only a username and password?
Under 'Use an offline backup for savings'
Perhaps there should be a link here to a noob guide about how to secure the offline backups properly.
Ah, good idea for two-factor! I also had in mind to work some specific guides with advises and tips for important subjects like this one. |
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But bitcoin.org (which should be bitcoin.com, duh!) should have as it's primary goal to drive users to purchase bitcoins.
Not sure it should drive users to buy, but it should certainly help those who want. Could you put a link to this page in the resources ? Thanks for the good work  EDIT : Could you publish a btc address ? You deserve some tip I'm also not 100% sure about this, I'm keeping the idea. Clearly, this is going to be something new visitors will always search for. You're right!! I added a donation address in my signature :-) Thanks! |
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Before we go with community translations, I'm currently discussing about how it can be done right. There are some considerations. Like potential inaccuracies in translations or translations that don't get updated often enough. So it's most likely that the english texts are going to be proof-read many times in the future before being published (and translated). Some translation guidelines are also needed.
Personally, I want the website to be translated in as many languages as possible (as long as each transaction is accurate and good quality). So you can count on me to come back about this if nobody opposes to this idea.
Thanks for offering yourself!
Congratulations on the upgrade of your work to bitcoin.org! About the guidelines and the translation process there are the following issues I see: 1) The translations must be kept up-to-date 2) The quality must be high As I understood this project is set up this way (on github where pull requests are invited) to be able to translate everything, including things like urls and rewrite rules thereof. But there are downsides to not using a tool like transifex: Especially issue 1) becomes a problem I think. Is there an easy solution to let translators know which sections in the source (English) have been updated since their last translation efforts? Maybe a very detailed summary should be written every time something changes in English? I've noticed in bitcoin-qt that sometimes a wording in the source changes only slightly but results in a big difference in meaning. If you don't know there has been such an update it is very easy to miss it when you compare a source and its translation side by side. Regarding the quality issue (2): Should we maybe require a small team per language, so that we only let a language go live if there are at least say three people vouching to look after the translation? Surely there is some experienced web developer here who has managed a high-profile multi lingual website? I'd be very happy to contribute the Dutch translation, I've done also the bulk of bitcoin-qt so I can make them consistent. Github clearly is awesome to track updates in files. So I would say, yes, it's a little geek, but it's very efficient. I didn't go with transifex because this is only .html files so most of the content is only pure human readable texts to translate. As long as a translator doesn't touch the rare tags (<a></a>), then everything is ok. And even if it happens, it's easy to fix. The second reason is that the structure of the site might actually needs to be adapted in some cases. And this setups makes all translated version independant of each other. So that if only one translation is not up-to-date, it won't prevents us to add more content in all others. All the opposite of a software that only have a few dialogs and fallback to english when nothing else is available, the website contains long texts and I think this would not give a good result. Also, someone does not necessary needs to be a github expert to contribute. In the worst scenario, simply downloading the .html files, translating them and sending them back by email can do the trick. Github pull request only saves us time and allows us to work more efficiently. Indeed, I think that having a more than one translator for each language (at least one native translator and another native speaker to review) sounds pretty good. However, I have almost no experience at leading such things. So any help will be appreciated. |
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 intentional? (the buttons are outside of margin) Yes, but most people apparently don't like it. So it's most likely to be changed in a near future, if we get to do it correcty without eating too much space in texts. |
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After a complete month of feedback and improvements, there it is! Our v1.0 is alive. http://bitcoin.org/I should come back soon with translation guidelines. If you want to make new improvements, feel free to fork the github repository and take the feedback of the community about your changes. |
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portuguese is coming in the next hour or so. Id like to translate the text in pictures too, can anyone send me the original image files, or at least confirm which font those files use? edit: my email rudrigorc2@gmail.comThanks!! I'm waiting for Stefan on this. Maybe it will be easier to update this later if we get the material. |
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Making such an index might in fact represent a full-time job, or requires a little community to build the project and share the task of keeping resources up-to-date. This is something I can't do myself but I would love to see this happen. So, feel free to do it. There is already pretty extensive lists of merchants on the wiki and http://bitcoinnavigator.com/We already link to the wiki. However if a nice website 100% specialized on this task is created, I think it's worth giving it more visibility. The same is true for merchants tools, wallets services, and else. |
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"And much more!" in a bullet list sounds like something from daytime tv shop channels. Besides that - great!
Agreed. Do you have an idea to improve it? It might make sense to put the What is Bitcoin video there. So that this page gives a warm welcome, and not just grey bullets texts. However, a video there creates "a box in a box in a box", and it's a box near the buttons with a lot of white space between.. I am not satisfied with the result yet.. |
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Before we go with community translations, I'm currently discussing about how it can be done right. There are some considerations. Like potential inaccuracies in translations or translations that don't get updated often enough. So it's most likely that the english texts are going to be proof-read many times in the future before being published (and translated). Some translation guidelines are also needed.
Personally, I want the website to be translated in as many languages as possible (as long as each transaction is accurate and good quality). So you can count on me to come back about this if nobody opposes to this idea.
Thanks for offering yourself!
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Yep, I think I also prefer your logo over the last ones, very nice work!
Really, if you want to give help with the design, feel free to contribute, fork my code and propose improvements.
The current design might be published meanwhile because the pull request is already being reviewed and received enough good feedback, but that should not prevents us to improve it if we end up with something that people and developers think is be better.
Your design is neat. The two things I see is that I predict some resistance if we go further into "promotion" with bitcoin.org and the design needs to handle extensive content (more pages are to come). There are also technical restrictions, like the searchbar, that cannot work as we are using static files. (And there is probably other considerations with translation and else).
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I think there needs to be a better description of exactly what the Bitcoin foundation is, how it is structures, and how it fits in within the Bitcoin software. If it is a non-profit then the tax returns should be posted. Also, they post e-mail addresses and ask people to contact yet I had tried that in the past and nobody ever answered. When I have seen those questions on here the responses have been rather defensive. There seems to be a lot of questions arising over conflicts of interest so this is going to come up more and more.
The other issue is that when people download the software they are shown a number of ads and it is unclear what is actually being downloaded. It is very easy to click one of these ads and think you are downloading Bitcoin when it is actually something else like pkzip.
Good points, thanks! |
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I just popped in to check the website redesign since it started. The changes are great!!! I like that there are fewer colors, and that it is more obvious which items can be clicked.
I agree, it's starting to look a lot better. Nice to hear. I tried to address what I read in all feedback I received. Nothing prevents us to continue improve it. I think next major improvements will target extending and improving the content (and that will address a few other previous feedback). But at least, I think we have something more serious now. |
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This is visible only for low resolutions (1024x768 and mobiles). And that specific CSS style is actually made for them, so that the "description bubbles" don't render outside of the page (and prevent visitors to read half of them). While it's not perfect, I think it's better than the problem it solves. Though if you have a better solution to this, I am interested. |
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As said earlier, this is only a start. I completely agree on adding more extensive content. But we must start somewhere in order to get there, this new bitcoin.org already add a lot of content over the previous one. And my goal is to go much further in the future. |
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