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221  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] NoirShares Encrypted Messaging✔, Lotto✔, Advanced Features ✔ Unique PoW✔ on: September 22, 2014, 01:39:49 PM
is any one find block payout larger then 2.2222 i have found 10 of them and nothing more Sad

How many cores are you using?

i got one 222.22 and a lot of 2.222

I found a couple 222.222, some 22.222 and plenty of 2.222. So far no 2222.2222 but I'm hoping for at least one while we can solo.

unless someone actively modifies the old NRS miner and a pool, t's likely going to remain solo mineable. I actually like it that way, pools cause centralization and when there is a fork, they tend to cause massive losses.

I am now pushing the last GUI  changes and will test them shortly. Friday should be beta and by then the exchanges will be on the new chain.
222  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement on: September 22, 2014, 01:27:15 PM
The only issue I have is how the list of coins are selected.

To make this truly all encompassing wouldn't you need to add quite a large percentage, if not all, of the 1000+ coins already in existence?

Can anyone suggest coins they would like to add?



Yes, all are welcome, the one main limitation is that it needs to be traded, that way valuing it is easier. Do you have any coins in mind?

That is also another issue i am struggling with, how to value it based on BTC with ending up giving more than half the coins to BTC.

I think i may end up just valuing based on BTC then not map BTC balances, this will effectively mean its an alts only alt.

edit: i am hoping we'll only need to add a max of 200 , hopefully anyone and everyone involved with cryptos will be able to claim some
223  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] NoirShares Encrypted Messaging✔, Lotto✔, Advanced Features ✔ Unique PoW✔ on: September 22, 2014, 01:16:29 PM
is any one find block payout larger then 2.2222 i have found 10 of them and nothing more Sad

How many cores are you using?

i got one 222.22 and a lot of 2.222
224  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement on: September 22, 2014, 01:12:02 PM
I don't know if this has been said or not. Tired, long day and don't want to read every sentence.

1) Snapshot is taken.
2) Move your coins to another wallet.
3) Use private keys from original wallet that had your coins during the snapshot.

Problem solved.  Wink



Yeah I already figured out that this was a decent solution however I am unclear whether or not every address is being implemented from all included coins because having to do something like that poses its own problems not to mention the inconvience of having to move coins that would otherwise receive PoS and now resetting your coin age

You wouldn't be moving coins by inputing your private key into his wallet.  You'd be showing him that you own the coins and you'd also be exposing those coins to security risks.  You could move your coins to a new wallet after the snapshot, yes.  But when the snapshot is taken would be decided by barwizi or his people while they potentially control your keys thru their software.  This leaves enough time for your keys to be exposed and your coins to be stolen.  If the pillage process is automated then it only takes a few seconds.

Problem NOT solved.  Wink

Problem is solved.

1. Snapshot is taken of your BTC address XYZ with 100BTC balance
2. Move your BTC to new address ABC from XYZ -> essentially moving any coins from your original private key to new private key.
3. Input your private key from bitcoin wallet for XYZ (which now has 0 balance) into project X wallet.

That way even if the project x wallet has bad intentions (which I don't believe it would) by the time you input your original XYZ private key there would be no balance to steal anyway.

Totally fail safe. Just quite a hassle to move all your coins from all the various wallets to new private keys after the snapshot....



Thanks

For the issue you raise, i guess it's up to the user to decide if they want all their coins Smiley
225  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NoirShares Encrypted Messaging✔, Lotto✔, Advanced Features ✔ Unique PoW✔ on: September 22, 2014, 12:50:57 PM
Your math gives total shares, but like i pointed out,  It was a declaration on my part that 10000 NRS == 1 BTC == 1 Share, but that was not the price on the market was it? So we cannot assume that there is investment worth 50 BTC. The investment total was worth

29 BTC + 157 k NRB and 167k NRS +447 PTS (corrected)

Which at market price then was 29 BTC + 1.8 BTC + ~ 8 BTC and 4 BTC.

The SHARES are 50 but the VALUE is much less that your proposed 49 BTC

So what you are trying to tell me is that 29+1.8+8+4= 42.8 BTC is much less than 49.81 BTC, with your perceived value. Still even if I would take this into account 42.8 BTC is still a lot more than the around 32, maybe 33 BTC that was payed for the 5 miners!

Let's put the sarcasm aside a little and look at the facts. The shares are nearly 50 and their value, if you wish is 43 BTC (rounder numbers for ease)
 
Immediately remove the cost of the miners 33 BTC customs and taxes 7 BTC and the first two months electricity and the entire investment is gone.

Please confirm or reject with a reason.

Explain taxes

the miners were sent to me, as a result on their arrival i had to pay import taxes or "customs duty" as it is called in other countries. As you know, no country accepts BTC for such payments, meaning i had to pay it in fiat, if you are lucky enough to not live in a country with such regulation lucky  you. :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariff if you were asking what it is exactly .

So taxes are paid in BTC nowadays? How much in dollars (exact) was it. Could you upload a copy of the customs duty bill (you can leave out the private information)?
Another question popping up: How much you say the mining operation has made (without extracting the costs)?

The mining operation has been a failure,  and i said it before. mined under my control is maybe 17 BTC. Before we jump to that part, let's stay on track with the firt part of accounting so that we can clear it first then move on to other issues.
226  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] NoirShares Encrypted Messaging✔, Lotto✔, Advanced Features ✔ Unique PoW✔ on: September 22, 2014, 12:47:51 PM
Your math gives total shares, but like i pointed out,  It was a declaration on my part that 10000 NRS == 1 BTC == 1 Share, but that was not the price on the market was it? So we cannot assume that there is investment worth 50 BTC. The investment total was worth

29 BTC + 157 k NRB and 167k NRS +447 PTS (corrected)

Which at market price then was 29 BTC + 1.8 BTC + ~ 8 BTC and 4 BTC.

The SHARES are 50 but the VALUE is much less that your proposed 49 BTC

So what you are trying to tell me is that 29+1.8+8+4= 42.8 BTC is much less than 49.81 BTC, with your perceived value. Still even if I would take this into account 42.8 BTC is still a lot more than the around 32, maybe 33 BTC that was payed for the 5 miners!

Let's put the sarcasm aside a little and look at the facts. The shares are nearly 50 and their value, if you wish is 43 BTC (rounder numbers for ease)
 
Immediately remove the cost of the miners 33 BTC customs and taxes 7 BTC and the first two months electricity and the entire investment is gone.

Please confirm or reject with a reason.

Explain taxes

the miners were sent to me, as a result on their arrival i had to pay import taxes or "customs duty" as it is called in other countries. As you know, no country accepts BTC for such payments, meaning i had to pay it in fiat, if you are lucky enough to not live in a country with such regulation lucky  you. :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariff if you were asking what it is exactly .

So taxes are paid in BTC nowadays? How much in dollars (exact) was it. Could you upload a copy of the customs duty bill (you can leave out the private information)?
Another question popping up: How much you say the mining operation has made (without extracting the costs)?

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So taxes are paid in BTC nowadays?


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meaning i had to pay it in fiat

If you are not going to least read, it becomes a moot conversation since you will keep dismissing what i say. Later today i will upload a redacted scanned copy .
227  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] NoirShares Encrypted Messaging✔, Lotto✔, Advanced Features ✔ Unique PoW✔ on: September 22, 2014, 12:37:42 PM
Your math gives total shares, but like i pointed out,  It was a declaration on my part that 10000 NRS == 1 BTC == 1 Share, but that was not the price on the market was it? So we cannot assume that there is investment worth 50 BTC. The investment total was worth

29 BTC + 157 k NRB and 167k NRS +447 PTS (corrected)

Which at market price then was 29 BTC + 1.8 BTC + ~ 8 BTC and 4 BTC.

The SHARES are 50 but the VALUE is much less that your proposed 49 BTC

So what you are trying to tell me is that 29+1.8+8+4= 42.8 BTC is much less than 49.81 BTC, with your perceived value. Still even if I would take this into account 42.8 BTC is still a lot more than the around 32, maybe 33 BTC that was payed for the 5 miners!

Let's put the sarcasm aside a little and look at the facts. The shares are nearly 50 and their value, if you wish is 43 BTC (rounder numbers for ease)
 
Immediately remove the cost of the miners 33 BTC customs and taxes 7 BTC and the first two months electricity and the entire investment is gone.

Please confirm or reject with a reason.

Explain taxes

the miners were sent to me, as a result on their arrival i had to pay import taxes or "customs duty" as it is called in other countries. As you know, no country accepts BTC for such payments, meaning i had to pay it in fiat, if you are lucky enough to not live in a country with such regulation lucky  you. :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariff if you were asking what it is exactly .
228  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] NoirShares Encrypted Messaging✔, Lotto✔, Advanced Features ✔ Unique PoW✔ on: September 22, 2014, 12:20:28 PM

So, if we look at the total investment of

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A total of 28.95 BTC invested
A total of 157k NRB  invested
A total of 165k NRS invested

There is a BTC short fall of 4.0155 BTC

So since the BTC is not enough, we add the NRB

Which was valued at 1.831395349 BTC

leaving us with a short fall of 2.1842 BTC


Took me some time to read the accounting through, but one thing I can say: The accounting of 28.95 BTC totally invested is wrong. I have been looking at the Excelsheet, and see this sum: =SUM(H4:H42). In colum H only 0.15 BTC is stated for my account. But in column L you see I gave another 0.11 BTC on April 11th. That one was not counted in the total in colum H and you are referring to cell H47 for the total, but that is not the total total of BTC that has been given. My guess is that cell I47 to O47 also must be counted. Likewise I guess for PTS, NRS and NRB.
So there was more than you say there was.

You are right, it gives us a total of 29.05000255 BTC , sorry the NRB and NRS remain unchanged. And i forgot about the PTS.

So that means i need to add an additional 0.2 BTC and 3.67 BTC (for the PTS ) to what i have to account for.

I'll add that now.



I did this =SUM(E47:AH47) that gave me 49.81 BTC invested (total value of PTS, BTC, NRS and NRB that were donated)
If I am wrong, tell me what I did wrong, but for me you got 49.81 BTC!!!!

Your math gives total shares, but like i pointed out,  It was a declaration on my part that 10000 NRS == 1 BTC == 1 Share, but that was not the price on the market was it? So we cannot assume that there is investment worth 50 BTC. The investment total was worth

29 BTC + 157 k NRB and 167k NRS +447 PTS (corrected)

Which at market price then was 29 BTC + 1.8 BTC + ~ 8 BTC and 4 BTC.

The SHARES are 50 but the VALUE is much less that your proposed 49 BTC
229  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement on: September 22, 2014, 12:08:41 PM
...
How to get your Coins
--------------------------

...
type dumpprivkey "insertyouraddresshere" and copy the result.

Then in the XUC wallet

HELP--> DEBUG WINDOW --> CONSOLE

type importprivkey "yourprivatekeyhere",

Why do not use signmessage?
signmessage <CoinAddress> <message>
Sign a message with the private key of an address



You can prove ownership of an address using signmessage yes...but how will you redeem them?
Little english ... sorry,
if I understand, you can sign a message that assign coin to new one in your coin with new private key and new address.

You are talking about Ownership, i am saying that you cannot use sign message to redeem your coins.
230  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement on: September 22, 2014, 11:52:15 AM
...
How to get your Coins
--------------------------

...
type dumpprivkey "insertyouraddresshere" and copy the result.

Then in the XUC wallet

HELP--> DEBUG WINDOW --> CONSOLE

type importprivkey "yourprivatekeyhere",

Why do not use signmessage?
signmessage <CoinAddress> <message>
Sign a message with the private key of an address



You can prove ownership of an address using signmessage yes...but how will you redeem them?
231  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement on: September 22, 2014, 11:03:36 AM
I don't really understand the idea of this project. So the devs of all participating coins should hardfork to your 1% premine PoW coin and half of the coin supply will be distributed over the non-zero balance addresses weighted by normalized market cap? I mean the old blockchains still exist, do you want the devs to abandon their projects to join this one? Then someone else could pick up the development on the old chain and keep the market cap in the original coin.

BTW, most of the developers of the coins in the list would be able to arrange the same thing without you and without the 1% premine.

Noone is hardforking anything, and people can continue on their chains, they are simply being given a share in this with no strings attached. No dev is asked to join this project or abandon his , please take time to read the OP properly as everything is there.

BTW, most of the developers of the coins in the list would be able to arrange the same thing without you and without the 1% premine.

But they did not come up with the idea did they? Anyone can fork the chain or copy my idea if they wish , such is crypto. But in the end, if all you can do is copy someone else's ideas, you don't amount to much do you?
232  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] NoirShares Encrypted Messaging✔, Lotto✔, Advanced Features ✔ Unique PoW✔ on: September 22, 2014, 10:28:54 AM
thank you very much chocobo, was not easy. this is bad news!

I'm curious what he says !?


First I'll start with this EmbarrassedQuote
He launches this while Noirshares is in between a blockchain swap and in shambles. You can't even trade the new NRB/NRS because the markets are on the old chain. His new project really pissed me off today. Here is what he had to say:

I do not see where I agree that my every idea now belongs to this group, the full message is as follows

Really man, project x outside of NG?

PROJECT X is NG.
PROJECT XUC is not.

They are unrelated and shouldn't be confused. Project X is called that because it has no real "Noir" name yet. couldnt really call it NoirColor, or is your question about me doing something other than NG?

Did you see my messages on skype? Our VPS provider is down , meaning our seednodes are down. I will set up new ones but  it will have to be mid week so i can confirm payment.

I can either send the group NRS now to old NRS addresses or send to new ones, the OLD NRS will likely just be immediately dumped.

The revive dead alts idea, you know exactly what im talking about. What you just bounce your ideas off me and the board for personal use? OLD NRS are useless so obviously the new ones......nice try.

The only reason to send the old NRS is to prove they exist outside the old one not just a blockchain manipulation. "the revive dead alts" idea as you call it is a brain child almost a year old  and as for your sarcasm, How in any way is Colored coins related to this? Project X remains and will be done after NRS ,  all other ideas of mine, remain mine until i decide to share them. and if you dont like that i discuss my plans with you i will stop.

it's irritating to say the least that you think i am in some way tied to NG, i chose to stick with it and do NRS 2.90 as well as colored coins (project X), Antimatter aka XUC is in no way a part of NG. and you want to complain yet it is already in the list of coins participating.

Since i have your attention, koontas seems to have every confidence in you recently, quite a surprise.

nice try huh?  what did you think i was trying?

You can see clearly that i made clear there is a difference between the project for NG and the one i am doing myself to fulfill an idea i had a year ago. He feels as though i am intellectually tied to Noir Group so i should not do anything annd not give it to the group. I feel otherwise, i can choose which ideas to share with the group and which to implement on my own as they are my ideas.

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If you are not aware barwizi launched a side project today:

I think this is the first place i posted about my idea and i included NoirShares automatically.

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I will be stepping down from COO. Don't worry, I was never paid and will never accept payment. I really didn't start working until a month ago, and most of my time was spent working up a redesign/relaunch for NRB and NRS as well as a full marketing plan. My work was ruined when barwizi decided to announce a merge without so much as asking me. He did this because he wasn't capable of developing a feature we planned for NRB. It is a shame this didn't work, I was very excited to work on a decentralized company, and my next order of business was to COMPLETELY re-brand NRS. I was going to make it simple. I also had my brother help barwizi program for free, and was going to bring on a second programmer/web designer. These two are good, they could have done the code barwizi couldn't.

He is free to step down as he wishes, noone will hold t against him. This was also another issue for him, he was against the idea of the merge When i asked for his reasons, he said it was because he had done work on NRB relaunch and i stated that that was not enough to justify having two currencies. He tried to resist but it happened anyway. I see no point in this post, It was decided by majority vote to merge and that is what I did. As for his brother being a talented coder, that is quite true, except while he knows code he was still learning crypto and as a result any project done with him would take much longer, you all should know if Chocobo had his way NRS still would not have been released by now.

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Barwizi has had months to prove expenses, and try and justify all of this. The fact of the matter is than even if there were 20 BTC of legit expenses that I didn't find he still took a TON of BTC from us. I don't even feel like looking at what these funds were worth when NRS held a 30k sats price. He lied to us as investors. A 'ground-breaking' feature was always two weeks away. While we bought in anticipation he dumped on us. You may have seen my disappointment in the quality of work done by our officers. Now that I reviewed all of this I realized that he contributed to their failure by keeping the funds away from them and in the dark as far as development goes. The officers failed, no doubt, but they tried.

I told him and i told others, if i am the one accused it is not right for me to do the audit myself, which is why i handed in the documents to them, so they could assess the situation. He says the officers tried, i feel this statement i misleading. We supposedly had a CDO, if we have a CDO, what part of NRS development did he try? If we have a CMO, have we seen any marketing done in the last three months? Frankly, I am the one who should be dissapointed because i spent a lot of time working to put this together. What funds ? Since you can't be bothered to really post things then i will


WE SHALL DO THE ACCOUNTING HERE

If you find something you want to ask about, quote the area and ask.



If anyone disagrees with the amount under their name please notify me.

A total of 28.95 BTC invested
A total of 157k NRB  invested
A total of 165k NRS invested


Note:
please fill the following form after payment
1)delivery miner: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1pHdophm3QgKggYY5H6Vl7Wta5IX6jgbRtpuHR65O-bg/viewform
2)host miner:     https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1moJLc8RH27CduZodV0RD-jrRP21X6IeEQU0Vkp7auZA/viewform
The list of buyer are shown here
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Lee group, round 5
time-------------------buyer----amount
4/9/2014 17:06:01   drekken   2
4/10/2014 6:19:32   Jesehl   2
4/10/2014 16:05:14   Swimmer63   1
4/13/2014 8:25:03   Powell   1
4/14/2014 2:20:47   jdot007   1
4/14/2014 7:20:47   Ando Kivilaid   1
4/15/2014 5:06:09      usbminer  1
4/15/2014 17:35:52   Cheeseater   1
4/15/2014 19:30:09   finlof   1
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[Lee group, round 4]
No-status-- amount-buyer--escrow--pay--order data
1   completed   3   varakunai   directly   btc   26-Mar-14   
2   completed   1   jleefly   directly   btc   26-Mar-14
3   completed   1   Enrico   directly   btc   26-Mar-14
4   partical pay   1   Cantrip   directly   btc   26-Mar-14   
5   completed   3   bilabonic   directly   btc   26-Mar-14   
6   completed   1   Clucknutz   directly   btc   26-Mar-14   
7   completed   1   Ryaner84   directly   btc   2014-3-26   
8   completed   5   Tegija   directly   btc   2014-3-26   
9   completed   1   Und3rd0g   directly   btc    25-Mar-14   
10   completed   1   nzgrant   ognasty   btc    26-Mar-14   
11   completed   1   Uncle Scrooge   directly   btc    26-Mar-14   
12   completed   1   muzzyshop   directly   paypal   26-Mar-14   
13   completed   3   derico5   directly   wire transfer   28-Mar-14   
14   completed   1   eestimees   directly   btc    29-Mar-14   5-Apr-14   
15   need confirmation   0   lenny_   directly   wire transfer to company account   31-Mar-14   
16   completed   4   gallary2000   directly   paypal   31-Mar-14   
17   completed   1   purenewfoundlander   directly   paypal   31-Mar-14   
18   completed   1   lenny_   directly   wire transfer to company account   3
19   partical pay   1   warhawk187   directly   btc    31-Mar-14   
20   canceled   0   Dutchminingnl   directly   paypal   31-Mar-14   
21   completed   1   samcap64   directly   paypal   31-Mar-14   
22   completed   1   PurpleDino   directly   paypal   31-Mar-14   
23   completed   1   stevej   directly   paypal   31-Mar-14   
24   completed   1   sneakgeekz   directly   btc   1-Apr-14   host   
25   completed   1   krismach   directly   btc    2-Apr-14   
26   completed   2   xoun   ognasty   btc&paypal   2-Apr-14   
27   completed   1   GigaWave   directly   btc   3-Apr-14   
28   completed   1   cjbriere   directly   paypal   3-Apr-14   


Total 37 units, 10 unit for host and 36 unit have been locked

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[Lee group round 3]

No-status-- amount-buyer--escrow--pay--order data--departure--arrival
1   completed   3   merv77   directly   btc    18-Mar-14   29-Mar-14
2   completed   2   sudoku    directly   btc    19-Mar-14   host
3   completed   3   warhawk187   directly   btc    20-Mar-14   host
4   completed   2   barwizi   ognasty   btc    21-Mar-14   2014-3-29
5   completed   2   eestimees   directly   btc    21-Mar-14   2014-3-29
6   completed   2   hausky   ognasty   btc    21-Mar-14   2014-3-29
7   need comfirmation   1   cobra89y   directly   wire transfer   21-Mar-14   2014-3-29
8   completed   1   sikke   directly   paypal&btc   22-Mar-14   2014-3-29
9   completed   2   derico5   directly   wire transfer to company accout   22-Mar-14   2014-3-29
10   completed   1   Sitaga   ognasty   btc    22-Mar-14   2014-3-29
11   partial pay   1   JR   directly   btc    23-Mar-14   2014-3-29
12   canceled   2   bilabonic   ognasty   btc    23-Mar-14   2014-3-29
13   completed   1   apollojmr   directly   btc    20-Mar-14   2014-3-29
14   completed   1   biggzi   directly   btc    23-Mar-14   2014-3-29
15   completed   1   Uncle Scrooge   directly   btc    23-Mar-14   2014-3-29
16   completed   1   Jesehl   directly   btc    19-Mar-14   29-Mar-14
17   completed   1   resort    directly   btc    23-Mar-14   29-Mar-14
18   parcial pay   1   daddyfatsax   directly   btc    23-Mar-14   29-Mar-14
19   half pay   1   shmendes   directly   btc    24-Mar-14   host
20   need comfirmation   10   bobsag3   directly   wire transfer to company accout   20-Mar-14   29-Mar-14
21   completed   2   gh2k   directly   btc    24-Mar-14   host
22   completed   2   gallery2000   directly   paypal   24-Mar-14   29-Mar-14
23   completed   1   biffa   directly   btc    24-Mar-14   host
24   completed   2   "albela83"   directly   paypal   25-Mar-14   29-Mar-14
25   completed   1   kphil   directly   paypal   25-Mar-14   29-Mar-14
26   completed   1   Und3rd0g   directly   btc    25-Mar-14   31-Mar-14
27   completed   4   seriouscoin   directly   btc    25-Mar-14   31-Mar-14
28   canceled   2   Tuan          20-Mar-14   
29   canceled   1   criptix   ognasty           
30   pending   5   Miller   ognasty   btc    21-Mar-14   
      
      

total: 60 unit and 52 unit are locked

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[Lee group, round 1]
No.--amount--order data--departure---arrival-------buyer----guarantor--express
1-----1-------2014-3-13--2014-3-15--2014-3-18--sudoku---ognasty----ups
2-----5-------2014-3-13--2014-3-15--2014-3-17--bobsag3--OgNasty----ups
3-----1-------2014-3-13--host from 2014-3-15----gh2k-----------     ----------
Update:
The miner for delivery have been sent via ups, and the miner for hosting has already mine for you gh2k, you can check the hash rate right now  Smiley
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[Lee group, round 2]

No   amount    order data   departure    arrival    buyer   guarantor        payment method    payment status
1   3   2014-3-15   2014-3-19                      barwizi      OgNasty   btc                          completed
2   3   2014-3-17   2014-3-19                      newguy05   OgNasty   btc                          canceled
3   2   2014-3-15   2014-3-19                      Powell      OgNasty   1btc$1paypal          completed
4   2   2014-3-15   2014-3-19                      gallery2000              paypal                  canceled
5   1   2014-3-16   2014-3-19                      Suave                      paypal                  completed
6   1   2014-3-16   host                                      Bordomboy directly           btc                          completed
7   3   2014-3-16   2014-3-19                      bobsag3      directely   btc                          completed
8   1   2014-3-16   host                                      ryaner84                      paypal                  completed
 

16 units are sold in this batch, only newguy0t's 3 unit is still waiting for payment, all other 13 unit have completed payment, thanks for your support, i will deliver the miner in 19 March as i promised

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Highlighted in Bold are the purchases of 5 miners for the group. Which i paid for in advance with my own BTC.

The transactions are here

https://blockchain.info/tx/dc34ec3375aaef7d7a6a071ee9b882a9a32e3e50bfcd8cb8868ed486b6bd2617
https://blockchain.info/tx/634872c1d25d72677295d102147823db91e8607e9152153fff37b45a7e5d145e
https://blockchain.info/tx/507b2eb0d4d8f92ece1ebe5102f4523e42c6a9320277bdbea10d79f3793c7e18
https://blockchain.info/tx/336b37f26d728f504735e413bc5bf381105411566956313e8ca1cba017c92304
https://blockchain.info/tx/ee4c96dd03441e8f386147a5102e42ea654449002d140763e583e56fdd660196
https://blockchain.info/tx/db1463432149eb59d7b35f313a5c9455a6a6fd13b2a96939eb3818f601461508

Please feel free to verify with the above quoted supplier and with Ognasty who did escrow. The total is 32.9655 BTC

So, if we look at the total investment of

Quote
A total of 28.95 BTC invested
A total of 157k NRB  invested
A total of 165k NRS invested

There is a BTC short fall of 4.0155 BTC

So since the BTC is not enough, we add the NRB

Which was valued at 1.831395349 BTC

leaving us with a short fall of 2.1842 BTC

Lets look at the Policy that i instituted for NRS in the beginning, 10000 NRS ==1Share==1 BTC

This however changed when the prices started dropping so i began to use market exchange rates since it was my OWN BTC i was risking by allowing people to buy in with NRS and NRB



You'll see that NRS investments were adjusted based on price and everyone agreed with their investment share.
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We now have NRS at an average price of 0.00004 which in BTC is 6.68 BTC  meaning I have to account for   4.4958 BTC

On receipt of these miner i had to pay import duty and other taxes totaling +7 BTC (these payments were now straight FIAT out of my pocket)

Which again means i am owed a shortfall of 2.5342 BTC

SO UP TO THE RECEIPT OF THE MINERS, THERE IS A SHORTFALL OF 2.5342 BTC OWED ME

Initially, the miners were setup in my home, so that is i was incurring costs of 5kwh*24 per day in electricity costs

at a cost of 0.15 per KWH it amounts to $18.00 for electricity DAILY

The miners were in my home for 2 months so that is 18*60 == $1080 in FIAT costs to me which at the time is 2 BTC owed to me


Shows what we mined initially, of which we can remove the 4.5342 BTC owed me that means i need to account for 4.33043

The miners were moved to a hosting facility after it became clear that to maximize their capacity and to free me from watching them they had to go.


The initial cost of hosting was a bit higher because we had to pay extra for thing s like "fire suppresion" , the host facility was not originally intended for hosting. The cost in BTC was 2.2

Cost of hosting 5 x 1 TH

June 2.2 BTC
July 1.4
August 1.5

leaving a deficit of 0.769 BTC

There was additional BTC mined to this address


Meaning that i need to account for 3.07 BTC

We had a multipool idea brought up by Koontas which cost us 3.5 BTC

The multipool was a failure
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I have been corrected by Frigga77 , i forgot the PTS and miscalculated the BTC by 0.2.

Leaving me to account for 4.37 BTC at this point


Again if you see misdirection, please quote it and we can delve into it further. If i leave out anything, it's not on purpose i would have overlooked it and if you point it out, it will be added here.

There is a host of costs i incurred and was reimbursed but cannot prove save for pictures,  these are small but many , like the constant replacement of P/S i did for a while as well as power cables and extra fans for cooling. These are small and insignificant so i'll just leave them for now.



233  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] NoirShares Encrypted Messaging✔, Lotto✔, Advanced Features ✔ Unique PoW✔ on: September 22, 2014, 03:29:41 AM
sorry i dont understand why we  are now mining , is this coin POW or POS

can we use the same PTS/NRS nan miner to solo ?


that miner will not work, modified to make it CPU only again , with internal miner.
234  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement on: September 22, 2014, 02:52:59 AM
Move coins to new key, send old key?

With my method, there are no keys exchanged at all. So apart from getting free coins, you also get anonymity as a bonus.
He is saying that you would move your coins to a new key, wait for the snapshot then move your coins back to your primary key and use the snapshotted key to prevent you/others from getting your primary key
I think more explanation is needed for example when you claim your coins do you have them under the same address but in the project x chain?

If you happened to be holding NRS before our snapshot you could have a live demonstration, no, the address changes to fit the prefix of the new chain,, it does not remain the same.
Ok now this is actually a technical question, how does 1 private key produce multiple public keys? Or does it? I am confused because I don't quiet understand how if we import a private key into your blockchain how will the blockchain be able to know the private key for another chain's public key?

the keys are unique to each other, you'll need to understand bitcoin base58 for total understanding , but basically each matching pair can be converted to another version , for example, Bitcoin uses 1 as it's prefix so if we want that key to fit for example NoirShares, we need to convert to 0x35 == 53 which is N .

its the same key, just converted to match our prefix
235  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement on: September 22, 2014, 02:36:43 AM
Move coins to new key, send old key?

With my method, there are no keys exchanged at all. So apart from getting free coins, you also get anonymity as a bonus.
He is saying that you would move your coins to a new key, wait for the snapshot then move your coins back to your primary key and use the snapshotted key to prevent you/others from getting your primary key
I think more explanation is needed for example when you claim your coins do you have them under the same address but in the project x chain?

If you happened to be holding NRS before our snapshot you could have a live demonstration, no, the address changes to fit the prefix of the new chain,, it does not remain the same.
236  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] NoirShares Encrypted Messaging✔, Lotto✔, Advanced Features ✔ Unique PoW✔ on: September 22, 2014, 02:04:49 AM
can the OP be update with direction on how to get NEW NRS from the OLD NRS wallet ? i have just read the last 18 pages and this is getting a little long winded

can we also moderate the forum to keep it short ,  or create a "information page" and lock is so only Development team can add updated  information

Remove all the post - " i am going to bed" , "Soooooo tired" , "scam" in bed red text

if you want to have a personal conversation talk in IRC

HOW TO CLAIM YOUR NRB AND NRS

In your OLD NRS wallet
HELP-> DEBUG window -> CONSOLE
type dumpprivkey "insertyouraddresshere"
Copy the result and
in the NEW NRS wallet
HELP-> DEBUG window -> CONSOLE
type importprivkey "resultofdumpprivkey"

Your balance as of snapshot date should show up in the new wallet.
ALWAYS REMEMBER TO BACK UP YOUR WALLET
237  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][1000 SYNC]|POS|ANON NITESEND|Profit share|Asset Backed|Colored Coins on: September 22, 2014, 02:02:12 AM
This coin has been added for participation in Project XUC :-  Project XUC
238  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement on: September 22, 2014, 02:00:52 AM
Sync added
239  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement on: September 22, 2014, 02:00:17 AM
Move coins to new key, send old key?

With my method, there are no keys exchanged at all. So apart from getting free coins, you also get anonymity as a bonus.
240  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement on: September 22, 2014, 01:59:10 AM
I don't know if this has been said or not. Tired, long day and don't want to read every sentence.

1) Snapshot is taken.
2) Move your coins to another wallet.
3) Use private keys from original wallet that had your coins during the snapshot.

Problem solved.  Wink



Yeah I already figured out that this was a decent solution however I am unclear whether or not every address is being implemented from all included coins because having to do something like that poses its own problems not to mention the inconvience of having to move coins that would otherwise receive PoS and now resetting your coin age

You wouldn't be moving coins by inputing your private key into his wallet.  You'd be showing him that you own the coins and you'd also be exposing those coins to security risks.  You could move your coins to a new wallet after the snapshot, yes.  But when the snapshot is taken would be decided by barwizi or his people while they potentially control your keys thru their software.  This leaves enough time for your keys to be exposed and your coins to be stolen.  If the pillage process is automated then it only takes a few seconds.

Problem NOT solved.  Wink

All in all the problem is on the user side, not the developer side. Your concerns while valid still fall under the category of user security.

In this case what we are attempting to do is like Microsoft trying  to create a Login policy that takes into account that yo have a 5 year old at home and a teenager who sometimes leaves the wi-fi on in public.

All i can do is map the balances on the chain and tel people how to redeem. The concerns about the code are invalid since it is open source and can be reviewed at launch. Since there is no mining rush, people can take their time to redeem their share after getting a report on the code. As for Binaries, i would suggest using those compiled by me and me alone, no third party code.

Snapshot dates are not arbitrary, they are announced and adhered to, look at NoirShares, Lottoshares, MMC BTSX and many others have all used this method successfully without incident. And on another note, actually he is right in his own way!! Problem indeed solved. if you do not trust me or the people who review the code also not trusting yourself to view the code, you can simply redeem offline, send to a new wallet and destroy the one you used to redeem.

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