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2201  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [500 GH] Ozcoin Pooled Mining Pty Ltd DGM [BIP16] Fee Free Port80 MM on: March 25, 2012, 05:40:26 PM
Using the pool block finding for a four day period lets the chart show some other pools' block finds. Ozco has 22 blocks (@ +12% luck) here vs Deepbit's 162 (+3% luck), so ozco's hashrate is still a bit less than shown.

The smallest pools not relegated to "other known" have three block finds. "Unknown" is mostly the mystery 0-TX miner, with more blocks found than ozco, although there are surprisingly a lot of single-block solo miners still.
2202  Other / Off-topic / Re: Chipboards/Breadborads & Developing. Educate me, please. on: March 22, 2012, 03:02:17 PM
I think the circuit you will have to search for is the "shock" circuit. How much can you charge up a capacitor without stopping the heart... Of course you could just hook participants up to 120VAC.
It's for school. The most power we can pull without freaking people out would have to come from a battery. This experiment must also last at least 5 rounds.
We should have enough 9v's, but nothing more than that.
120VAC was a joke, whoosh. Using 9 volt batteries isn't in itself a measure of safety - stun guns run on 9v batteries.
2203  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: v0.1 on: March 22, 2012, 02:21:51 PM
I've got them up too:

http://we.lovebitco.in/bitcoin-0.1.0.rar
md5: 91e2dfa2af043eabbb38964cbf368500 *bitcoin-0.1.0.rar

http://we.lovebitco.in/bitcoin-0.1.3.rar
md5: 9a73e0826d5c069091600ca295c6d224 *bitcoin-0.1.3.rar

What is more annoying is that all Bitcoin releases before 0.3.24 were just deleted from sourceforge. Why?? Here's Linux 1.0.0 from 1994, they aren't trying to erase their history...

(new links updated)
2204  Other / Off-topic / Re: Are NSA routinely cracking AES ?? on: March 22, 2012, 07:51:35 AM
"Major breakthrough" might be something significant. The NSA also has a classified budget for hiring the best mathematicians.

For example: NSA modified the DES specification to be more resistant against differential cryptanalysis (but with recommended key sizes that were possibly within their cracking abilities), two decades before these techniques were publicly known. AES is supposed to be DC resistant; however the NSA might have identified a technique that is still secret that would allow a lower barrier to analysis than full key size and current public knowledge would indicate in the rijndael AES candidate, and let it go through. There is already public cryptanalysis that cuts two bits off the brute-forcing of AES: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/cryptanalysis/aes.aspx
2205  Other / Off-topic / Re: Chipboards/Breadborads & Developing. Educate me, please. on: March 22, 2012, 06:34:03 AM
I think the circuit you will have to search for is the "shock" circuit. How much can you charge up a capacitor without stopping the heart... Of course you could just hook participants up to 120VAC.

You might even consider an electromechanical setup for such a game, a windup timer, light bulbs, go old-skool.

Relevant link.
2206  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Wonder who this solominer is? 88.6.216.9 on: March 22, 2012, 04:44:32 AM
% fees are not possible (or more correctly accurate) because the network has no idea what the amount of the transaction is.

I want to send you 5 BTC.  1% fee = 0.05 BTC.  No problem right?

Well my input is 32 BTC.  So is it 1% of 32 BTC? =0.32 BTC fee?
The outputs are 5 BTC and 27 BTC (change)?  Is it 1% of the larger output, 1% of the smallest output, or 1% of the average output, or 1% of sum of the outputs?

That is a good point. If you have 1000 BTC in one address and you want to send 10 BTC to someone, you have to send the whole amount and get change back. However you are still sending a 1000 BTC input.

The Bitcoin client does not encourage accumulation of large balances in one address though. It automatically gives you a new address to use for incoming payments (or at least it did before the 0.5 changes). For the bit-rich, it may be advisable to examine where your money is in the face of such a change, and multi-send your mega-balance to 10 other addresses at one go, or create spending accounts and savings accounts.

The Bitcoin client could manage such multi-address balances even better for the minimization of fees; we already know it ignores age, and tries to assemble a transaction that results in the smallest change from the existing address balances in the wallet. Sending change to multiple addresses in a graduated fashion (ie, your change is 500,250,125,62 from the 1000BTC input above), informed by the amounts currently in the wallet addresses, may prepare your wallet for lower percentage fee sending in the future.

I don't see a better way though, a per-transaction fee would currently have to be excessively high for the desired significant contribution to block rewards, punishing small payments and small balance holders unfairly.
2207  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Fees to fix this on: March 22, 2012, 04:13:55 AM
In a typical 24h period, over 500,000 BTC is currently being transferred. 7200 BTC in 144 block generations are being produced. An average of 3500BTC is transferred per block. And about 25 BTC total per day are being paid in transaction fees. From this thread, we see we may want transactions fees sizeable enough to encourage inclusion of transactions in blocks, to make someone only interested in profit reconsider their wholesale omission of transactions.

A transaction fee is rarely required now, with so many old coins on the mature network. You can let 5 BTC sit in your wallet for a few days and you can spend them without fee. The current fees are only an anti-spam method, enforced only for small transfers of recently transferred coins, and will do little to eventually supplant mining rewards.

First, we may want to revert to the original Satoshi client's fees for low-priority transactions (and set a future block in the client where the old rules will again be enforced for relay and mining). It looks like the change to 0.0005 BTC per KB fees (v0.3.23) was unenlightened.  When the fee change was made, Bitcoin had a price trajectory that looked like this:



Secondly, I think it is time to also consider a percentage transaction fee.

A mandatory fee, to encourage inclusion of transactions in blocks beyond the anti-spam measures, is probably desireable, to the point where it becomes a not insignificant amount per block. 5 BTC per block or better may achieve this goal. To target 5BTC per block, by evaluating recent transaction history, this percentage would only be 0.14%. A percentage will not discourage microtransactions (developing nations, etc), and may be accompanied by the minimum fee, or only take effect for amounts above the minimum fee.

We know also that the mining reward will drop to 25 BTC by December. If we want to encourage blockchain difficulty to have the same resistance to attack it does now, knowing that Bitcoin isn't going to magically take over the world, we should strive to put transaction fees on a course to supplement and eventually replace coin generation, as we know will be required. Right now, if we consider 25BTC from fees to be the target for the next four years (replacing the 25BTC mining reward), we need to look at a rate similar to the percentage mentioned above.

Fees may reduce the amount of daily transfers, but this will also discourage the blockchain bloat we are currently experiencing (1GB to 1.5GB in four months). I've got a feeling much of that 500,000 BTC a day is moving around just because it is free...
2208  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Quickly need help with payments with PayPal on: March 22, 2012, 02:35:20 AM
If you change your account to PayPal micropayments, you pay less in fees for purchase below $8, but pay more in fees for anything above that: https://micropayments.paypal-labs.com/

With that, the fee is $0.05 + 5%
Without that, the fee is $0.30 + 2.9%

Without it, if someone sends you $0.40, you receive $0.09 and PayPal gets $0.31.
With it, if someone sends you $100, you get $94.95.

The cost of doing business with PayPal is much higher though, trading or selling virtual currencies is against their policies, and will likely get your account balance locked at some point. Fraudsters will buy your bitcoins with stolen cards or charge you back. I would not go there.
2209  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! on: March 19, 2012, 10:09:45 AM
  • There is no way to do that anyway. E-mail addresses are free, you know?
  • It wouldn't matter anyway because the original has a link to the paid invoices, so even if the operator was buying tickets himself, it doesn't give him any advantages over anyone else in itself.
I saw you misunderstand this potential fraud method earlier in the thread (anyone else, and I'd say spread disinformation denying this fraud method), so I'll clarify. A raffle operator who buys his own tickets buys them for free, because the money goes out of his pocket and right back into his pocket. If he buys half his own tickets, there is a 50% chance that his fake entries will "win", and he will get to keep the raffle ticket earnings plus not have to ship the prize to anyone.

Real: I earn 200 BTC in ticket sales, and send the prize to someone
Fraud: I earn 200 BTC in ticket sales, and 50% chance I send the prize to someone

In all cases where I recommend disclosure as an anti-fraud mechanism, it is something that you can't make hundreds of for free without detection, such as your forum account here.
But there's also a 50% chance that he has to send 100 BTC out of his own pocket to another person, if they win.
Perhaps you should re-think what you are saying here? Nobody gets sent any BTC, the raffle prize is what is shipped (such as the BFL single). The raffle organizer keeps all bitcoins people send him to buy raffle tickets. The raffle organizer has promised to ship the prize to a winner at the end of the raffle. However, to defraud, he just buys many fake tickets, essentially for free, to reduce the chance of a legitimate winner. If he wins himself, he doesn't have to ship the prize to anybody - even if the ticket sales and picking method are done by someone else. If he doesn't win himself, it cost nothing extra to attempt to defraud all legitimate entrants, and he does what the raffle promised, ship the prize to the winner.
2210  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Got my BFL Single today and I'm raffling it away for 0.5BTC! on: March 19, 2012, 05:37:26 AM
  • There is no way to do that anyway. E-mail addresses are free, you know?
  • It wouldn't matter anyway because the original has a link to the paid invoices, so even if the operator was buying tickets himself, it doesn't give him any advantages over anyone else in itself.
I saw you misunderstand this potential fraud method earlier in the thread (anyone else, and I'd say spread disinformation denying this fraud method), so I'll clarify. A raffle operator who buys his own tickets buys them for free, because the money goes out of his pocket and right back into his pocket. If he buys half his own tickets, there is a 50% chance that his fake entries will "win", and he will get to keep the raffle ticket earnings plus not have to ship the prize to anyone.

Real: I earn 200 BTC in ticket sales, and send the prize to someone
Fraud: I earn 200 BTC in ticket sales, and 50% chance I send the prize to someone

In all cases where I recommend disclosure as an anti-fraud mechanism, it is something that you can't make hundreds of for free without detection, such as your forum account here.
2211  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Wonder who this solominer is? 88.6.216.9 on: March 18, 2012, 08:29:06 PM
I am figuring it is a botnet.  With botnets reaching past 1 million computers someone must have selected a group of computers with good GPU's in them.  Imagine good GPU's in 1% of machines, breaking them off as a seperate botnet.  Now run them at low levels, do not run them hard enough for fans to get aggressive or any slowdown.  10,000 machines could make 2TH ran slowly.  The internet connection usage would be kept to a minimum by only getting the bare minimum information (no transactions) and relaying back only when a block is found.  This could live under the radar on a machine for a long time if they did nothing else with the pwned machine.   And for $3000 a day, they would not have to resort to any other uses. 

Of course it could be 5000-50000 machines in play....  But this is what I think it is. 
+1. When most people think "botnet", they seem to be considering only CPU power - but it is entirely possible that the compromised machines have GPUs - and if the user from IRC is to be believed, this is indeed the case, from looking at his hardware manifest.

This alone does not explain the drop in "luck"; however when combined with discarding the golden nonces on legitimate miners it does make a lot of sense. Why discard the golden nonces? To lower the overall difficulty
-1 for saying "golden nonces". Tongue
2212  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Wonder who this solominer is? 88.6.216.9 on: March 18, 2012, 06:36:31 PM
Could this be a vulnerability, or backdoor introduced by any popular mining software programmer,
which might be stealing and redirecting a % of hashing power ?
(my apologies to all good faith programmers for the accusations pulled out of my ass)

Miners would see network connections to somewhere else than their pool, and would earn less than expected. The majority of mining software is open-source, so you would have to be distributing an exe that is made with different source than you have published. And even if 25% of all Bitcoin miners were using such software, it would take half their work being diverted to equal the mystery miner's hashrate.

I think it is most likely that an independent party has spent the money to make an ASIC farm, and found it easier to implement without including transactions. Becoming 20% of the network is about where you would find maximum profitability - if you doubled the total network hashrate yourself, you would only be earning 50% as many bitcoins per Thash.
2213  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Wonder who this solominer is? 88.6.216.9 on: March 18, 2012, 06:27:50 PM
One possibility is Microsoft Windows malware that targets existing Bitcoin miners and steals a portion of their winning blocks. The impact would be.
It's impossible unless this malware also provides all those miners with work too.

If the malware also provides work effectively stealing a portion of the hash rate it would still have the impact I mentioned.
Couldn't it just intercept golden nonces and discard them? That would cause bad luck, with the same/high hashrate.

When mining, you are doing a brute force hashing of everything that will go into a block. The merkle tree you are hashing includes the address that a block will pay out to if it is found, along with a "coinbase", which is per-worker information added by the pool to make a miner's work unique. You are also hashing all the transactions to be included in the block. Mystery miner's blocks have zero transactions, they are different than a normal pool's blocks.

Because of the pool-specific and worker-specific data included in a block, you cannot simply pick out certain hashes like one that solves a block and send them somewhere else, they would still pay to the original wallet's address as that information is embedded in what is being hashed. If the miners were getting altered work, they could not send it back to the original pool as the shares would be invalid, they would not be hashes of what the pool was requesting.

In order to steal work, the attacker would have to pWN the pool. If you can get into deepbit and silently get 10% of their block finds to pay to your wallet, that's better than just stealing their wallet once. As about half the pools here have been compromised at some point, we see that getting in is possible, but rootkitting and altering pool software to make a continuous undetectable diversion of mining rewards would be more difficult.

If it's a botnet then this could potentially mean trouble for it in long run  Grin
A yet-undetected botnet seems difficult to believe, it would be on the scale of Zeus2. I have seen no bitcoin bot alerts since Sept 2011 and those were naive trojans. CPU mining my Core 2 Quad (probably faster than the average internet-connected computer) gets 11mhash/s; to get into the 2000ghash/s the miner is likely doing, they would need 200,000 such fulltime botty machines. A CPU+GPU bot would need fewer, but I have a feeling that systems with GPUs running mining-capable drivers that can hash faster than their CPU are in the minority, if we were to survey all Internet-connected machines worldwide.
2214  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I talked with Amazon Live Support today... on: March 18, 2012, 08:26:27 AM
This is a great idea for a thread. The importance of Amazon accepting bitcoins just can't be overstated.

Here is how my conversation went*:

You are now connected to Alan from Amazon.co.uk.
Me:
Hi, do you accept bitcoins and if not will you consider accepting them?
Alan:
Hi David,
Bitcoin? I'm sorry but I've never heard of that.
Is that like a temporary visa card or does it relate to virtual coins like on facebook?
Me:
it's an e-currency, at the moment one is worth roughly £3.40 but that fluctuates by supply and demand
there are no transaction costs
which should make it reasonably attractive to you I should have thoguht
Alan:
Ah, currently we do not accept e-currencies like this. What is your domestic currency?
Me:
sterling
bitcoin is very different to any other e-currency for a variety of reasons
you can find a bunch of info on it using google
Alan:
Thanks for that, any charges you incur placing an order on our website using a sterling account would relate to your bank, we have no control over that.
Me:
I am talking from your perspective
in that when you accept credit cards and so on at the moment
you have to pay a fee
where as you wouldn't if you used bitcoin
there is no company behind bitcoin, it's all open source
Alan:
thanks for the suggestion, I didn't relaise you were just chatting from our point of view just there.
I can pass on your suggestion to our business team for review.
Me:
I would be pleased if you could, yes
Alan:
I have just looked up bitcoin as we have spoken.
Me:
a good site for learning more about bitcoins with a video they could look at is http://www.weusecoins.com/
Alan:
If the payments are irreversible as far as I can see.
Interesting.
The official bitcoin site als says the process is experimental
http://bitcoin.org/
Either way I'll pass on your feedback, if it proves secure and convenient for customers it will be considered in due course.
Can I help with anything else?
Me:
the client is experimental, but the network itself is running and other merchants are using it
nothing else other than bitcoin - although would you be able to get whatever committee it is that you are passing it on to to respond to me after they have looked at it?
Alan:
The internal teams generally don't do that. If it was something we would take up it would be announced publicly.
Me:
ok, fair does
have a good weekend!
Alan:
you too.


*I'm aware the thing about transaction costs is not strictly correct, but I was out to sell it!
I applaud your effort! =)
Having worked support, I must deflate you a bit. All your phone call did was add your information and "Call Reason -> Other" to a database in Hyderabad, India, that will never be looked at again.

These are sad times. See, about 20 years ago, I was able to call ATI and actually talked to one of their engineers at length about my problems with their card and they were able to identify the bug with their card (ATI Graphics Ultra Pro - I found a link). I had his extension number. When I did support myself for another unnamed PC component manufacturer, I was one phone call away from engineers, and was able find, identify, and resolve compatibility problems, and turn them over to QA and deployment. Nowadays, support is an outsourced cost center who's only goal is placating the customer by reading a script and hanging up on them as fast as possible. Of course, computer users on the whole are a lot dumber now, too.
2215  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Biggest Threat to Bitcoin: The New American NSA Datacenter on: March 18, 2012, 04:03:32 AM
So they finish this sometime in 2013... Should be plenty of time to scramble together a few nuclear bombs to wipe the place off the fucking map just as they put the finishing touches on it. Anyone in for some fun?

DISCLAIMER: I'm drunk, so don't take me seriously.

Fabulous work, rjk. You just got every person in this thread on a domestic terrorist watchlist.

See you in indefinite detention.
Pretty sure every single one of us has been on the list since 2009 when bitcoin was invented. Cheers.

Now you are:

dirty bomb plutonium palestine abduct anthrax yemen al queda jihad plane truck train liberate occupy
2216  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is this for real? on: March 18, 2012, 01:27:03 AM
One large purchase can't truly reflect the supply and demand. I think we'll see the price steadily fall from here, followed by a sharp downturn once people realize how oversold we are. In fact, I think we'll be testing a $4 floor again soon.

Thoughts?
That purchaser used up the supply of people willing to sell their bitcoins below $5 each.
2217  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Biggest Threat to Bitcoin: The New American NSA Datacenter on: March 17, 2012, 11:55:43 PM
They are creating a neural net to model your brain. Once it achieves consciousness, they can just ask it what password you would have used.

Hrm...
"According to another top official also involved with the program, the NSA made an enormous breakthrough several years ago in its ability to cryptanalyze, or break, unfathomably complex encryption systems employed by not only governments around the world but also many average computer users in the US. "
2218  Other / Off-topic / Re: So you like my animated GIF avatars? on: March 17, 2012, 06:13:16 PM
If you stare at this long enough you’ll get a nose bleed. Similar to the effect of listening to 50 Cent perform for more than 15 minutes. 
If you stare at the center of this for 60 seconds, you'll get brain damage:
2219  Other / Off-topic / Re: So you like my animated GIF avatars? on: March 17, 2012, 05:42:50 PM
2220  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: New Bitcoin Interface/GUI - Feedback Wanted! on: March 17, 2012, 02:38:39 PM
Too big with too much white space. The same complaint I have with the Qt version, it can't resize

which part of this photoshop mock-up makes you say it's not intended to be resizable?

it's easy for me to imagine the menu sticking to the left and the right hand part stretching to fit.


Now I might think it's resizable:
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