Perhaps when it comes to countries and (some) regimes, but I have a feeling that a terrorist organization would be looking for ways to demolish a first world country the moment they laid their hands on one.

Just a feeling.

Ok, this makes more sense.

1) Original Bitmit owner has long been out of the picture.
2) Current Bitmit owner decided he wanted to shut it down
3) Current Bitmit owner then decided he wanted to sell
4) Current Bitmit owner then decided that all was good, he didn't want to shut it down or sell
5) A few months pass
6) Current Bitmit owner again decides he wants to shut it down (when we also learn that, by shut it down, he really means sell)

And that's where we're at.  So, who's buying?

Hmmm... probably the best is just the Minecraft Wiki:  http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Minecraft_Wiki

It has new player tutorials and the like, so I'd start there..!

I am not owed anything by bitmarket, but this is a rather silly proposal.  Creditors should be paid back an equal percentage of their receivables, in the same manner that they would if a court of law were to assign payment back in the event of bankruptcy.

If any of the big creditors want to make a deal with you prior to such a payback, and said deal does not infringe upon or otherwise affect the payment made to other creditors, then certainly, that is their prerogative, but it is technically illegal for you to selectively decide which creditors to pay and which creditors to default upon in the event of insolvency (which you have openly declared).

This is based on the published January 10th date that chips are supposed to be received, and subsequent estimate of 2 weeks to ship after the chips are received.

Ok, a few counterpoints:

1)  Newbies are going to try using Bitcoin regardless of whether you think they should or should not be using it right now.  If they download QT, they will have a bad experience, they rag on Bitcoin every chance they get, and we lose potential adoption.  If they use blockchain.info, they like it, they start using it more, they send praises about it to their friends, and we gain adoption.  Now how can you possibly say that case #1 is better?

We aren't delaying those users from trying out Bitcoin - they are trying it out whether we like it or not.  We are permanently pushing those people away from Bitcoin by offering them a client not made for people new to Bitcoin.  Your proposal to ask them to wait is preposterous and unachievable.  People are going to try Bitcoin if they want to try it, and nothing you or I can do will stop it.  We may as well show them the best we have to offer instead of giving them a piece of software that is confusing and takes several hours before it is ready to use.

2)  People are used to software that is ready to use as soon as it is installed.  People are also used to wire transfers taking 3-4 days.  People are NOT used to software taking 3-4 days, and that's the whole issue.  You can't expect people to understand why it takes so long to sync to the network when they've never experienced anything like this before.  Why do you think threads titled something along the lines of "why is this taking so long to sync" appear almost daily on reddit?

3)  The network is perfectly fine with the number of full nodes we have running.  There is no legitimate reason to require people new to Bitcoin to run full nodes.

4)  I've never used a deposit box either.  I know it exists now, but I didn't know they existed before I started using a bank account.  Again, requiring people to know all facets of a particular technology before they start using any of it is silly.  It's like teaching a full course of algebra before allowing the students to do any problems on paper.  Why do that?  Instead, teach them a little bit at a time, let them use it, and then teach them more.  We shouldn't require that users know all of it before using any of it.  That's just silly.

5)  QT is more difficult to use than blockchain.info, especially if you don't know what the terminology means.  Blockchain.info explains in very clear terms what everything means - at least, much more clearly than QT does.  On the wallet homepage, for instance, it says in big bold lettering, "This is your Bitcoin address: 1blahblahblah." And yes, most people don't have much patience, so we give them the app that doesn't require patience, not the app that does.  You believing people should have more patience doesn't give it to them.

6)  Why does anyone need to understand more than the send and receive function of Bitcoin to use it?  Back to the math example, that's like saying you shouldn't use addition unless you also know algebra.  Why?  People should use it at the level they are comfortable with, and sometimes, that might only include the basic send and receive functionality.  Also, we all have to start somewhere - you can't instantly know everything about Bitcoin or anything else.  To learn algebra, you must first learn addition.  To learn about the blockchain, you must first understand sending and receiving, and often, that understanding only comes when you actually use the Bitcoin software.  So let them use addition first, and if they want to learn algebra on top of it, they can do so.


When I first started using Bitcoin, I knew very little about it.  I was skeptical, suspicious, and all I wanted to do was mine some Bitcoin and cash them out for USD as quickly as possible before I was stuck holding the bag in a scam ponzi system.  So, all I needed to know how to do was receive Bitcoins, then send them out again.  Once I got used to using Bitcoin by cashing out my coins a few times, I realized that it wasn't a scam, there was no central entity in control of things, and I became genuinely interested in the technology.  I learned more about the blockchain, the various features available to me, etc.  But I still don't know everything the client can do, nor do I believe I need to know everything it can do.  I don't understand the maths behind most of it, and I don't fully understand everything about the network or the blockchain.  Certainly, when I first started using Bitcoin, I knew nothing about any of that.

If you're saying that a person needs to understand Bitcoin and the Bitcoin network before they start using Bitcoin, then 99% of the people here (myself included) shouldn't be here, because the vast majority of us started trying out Bitcoin without having a complete understanding of "Bitcoin and the Bitcoin network."

TL:DR; Everyone has to start somewhere.  You're proposing a finish without a start.

That's not when the preorders START being delivered - that's when unixdude's ASIC in particular is scheduled to be delivered.  He could be the 2,000th order for all we know, hence the late delivery prediction.

Sounds like a good way for buyers to lose a lot of coinage.

The drama never stops!

MtGox is really terrible for newbies trying to buy Bitcoins (the rest of us are already used to their misgivings).  Unfortunately, there aren't many other options, since most legacy payment methods are reversible.  There are other exchanges though, which have their own advantages, disadvantages, and quirks.  MtGox certainly isn't the only method out there, they're just the one that has been around the longest.

One would hope, but the new owner withheld the information of change of ownership just the same as the old owner withheld the fact that it had been sold.  I would almost say the new owner has more responsibility to report the change to the users of the site.

Good-willed, hopefully, but naive as well.

I honestly don't see the point in videoing the packing process.  What's to keep someone from just repackaging an equivalent weight of bricks in the same box?  Likewise with unboxing... what's to keep the receiver from repackaging with bricks, then "opening" it on video?  Videos of those processes are pointless, and only attract suspicion (a guilty party would be more likely to video the packing process as "proof" that they shipped what they said they shipped.

I agree with koko - destroying the incentive for cheating the system is the best way to go about it.  Even with charities though, unscrupulous sellers may create fake listings for the sole purpose of forcing victims to donate to a charity (or likewise, buyers claim receipt of bricks).  It's almost like it has to be a charity that no one wants money to go to, or something... but no such thing exists.  What about 1BitcoinEater? 

Certainly, having money go to charity reduces the incentive to cheat much more than refunding to either party, but it's still not a perfect option.

I'd almost say that a community-driven escrow would be the best option.  In the event of a dispute that isn't easily solved, or is appealed by one party, a forum post is made here where people can give their input on what they believe the true story is.  General trustworthiness of the persons in question among the community as a whole can also be taken into account.  After a few days of discovery, a poll is opened, whereupon users can vote for whichever side they believe is being truthful.  The decision is final at that point, unless either individual wishes to take it beyond simple forum mediation to a courtroom.

It wouldn't be perfect either, but at least victims would be less likely to lose money (either to charity or to the other party), and the vast majority of disputes would likely be resolved fairly.

Thanks! 

Cutting 24 hours down to 3 still isn't acceptable, and will still push people away.  There are other issues as well - some of the other clients are easier to use, more intuitive, and more explanatory.  That's why newbies should be pointed to them.

I completely disagree with you that Bitcoins are not for newbies at this time.  We have newbie-friendly software - we should point newbies to it.  QT is not ready for newbies - I agree with you on that.  But other Bitcoin clients ARE ready for newbies.  So why do we not point newbies to the clients that are ready for newbies?

Newbies don't need to learn how to sign a message (I've never used that feature myself) or create a rawtx (again, never done it).  You can use bitcoin for a lifetime and never "need" to do either of those things.  If people want to take the time to learn more about the advanced features and use the QT client, then more power to them, but no one NEEDS to learn it, not everyone WANTS to learn it, and not everyone even has the capabilities to learn it.  You shouldn't force people to learn the most advanced version of a software before learning any of it.  Kids don't learn calculus before learning algebra.  People should be introduced to a version of Bitcoin that is extremely easy to use and intuitive, and those that want to learn more can learn more from there.

QT pushing people into the deep end of the pool before they ever learn how to swim.  No wonder they immediately get out and never want to give it another shot.

The issue is that people who could learn how to use Bitcoin TODAY are being pushed away for no good reason at all.  Not only do they miss out on the benefit of using Bitcoin, but we miss out on the potential that they offer more goods and services to purchase with Bitcoin, or that they offer more Bitcoins with which to buy the goods and services we are offering.  The more people who use Bitcoin, the better off everyone involved in Bitcoin will be.  Therefore, it is senseless to push people away from Bitcoin.  There is no reason that newbies should stay away from Bitcoin.

I would like to buy the Series 1. 

Bitcoin is for anyone who wants to use it. And yes, those other options are complimentary to QT, in that they cater to newbies.  Thus, we should be pointing newbies to them, not QT.  Seems pretty straightforward, right?  Point newbies to the newbie-friendly software instead of the geek-friendly software?

Normally, I'd give up as well, but I believe this is the most important issue facing Bitcoin today.  It needs to be fixed, badly.

Yes, it does require the full paid version of the game.

Wait, so...

1) Bitmit decides to close down
2) Bitmit decides to sell
3) Bitmit decides to continue running as-is
4) Bitmit runs for months
5) Bitmit is discovered to have been sold
6) Bitmit decides to close down (again)
7) People now offering to buy Bitmit

WTF is going on, really?

But we HAVE point and click options right now.  QT ISN'T for newbies.  We have OTHER options that ARE for newbies.  Why do you insist upon bringing QT to the newbie-friendly level when even Gavin has stated that that is not its purpose?

I agree wholeheartedly.

We're back on the main maps again, with payouts for all!  Join up if you want some free BTC!

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