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1281  Other / Off-topic / Re: The ones who didn't listen. on: April 02, 2013, 11:29:17 PM
I told a friend of mine about it in summer 2011.  Not long afterward, he built a computer with 2x 6990's and mined nonstop (and is still mining on the same machine).  He never sold or used a single one, just held them all.  He's got 225 BTC now... worth $26,012.25.

Those $600 6990's were a good investment.  Cheesy

I'm glad I was able to get at least one of my friends to listen to me!


Great. Now, the interesting part for me is: Why did he not sell any bitcoins ? Did he anticipate them to grow in value in the future, or didn't he really not need the money, so he just went with the wind to see how it went ?
Now that, I really don't know.  He's been unemployed for almost that entire length of time as well, surviving on various contract side jobs.  It's not like he couldn't use the money, it's just that he didn't ever sell any.  *shrug*  He even kept them all on deepbit until I convinced him to move them away a few weeks back.

At least I know hope he knows how much it's worth ? And I guess he does not complain ? ;=) Is he planning on cashing out a little bit soon - perhaps buying something new for himself?
Yes, he absolutely does.  When BTC started it's move up from $15 or so, we both started watching the price more intently, giving each other updates to make sure the other knew how much his stash was worth now.  No complaints!  And he hasn't mentioned anything about cashing out soon.... yet.
1282  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: First BFL ASIC! on: April 02, 2013, 11:27:21 PM
$statement = "The title of the bid";
$condition1 = "The first condition";
$condition2 = "The second condition";

#The bet states:

if ($condition1==true)&&($condition2=true);{
$statement=false;
}
else{
$statement=true;
}

If both of the conditions are true then the statement is conditionally set to false.

The statement is the title.
Looking at it that way though, you're essentially stating that false = true.  The title was most certainly correct that BFL didn't ship anything, but the conditions, if not met, contradict the title.
1283  Economy / Speculation / Re: Parity watch -> Botswana on: April 02, 2013, 11:23:44 PM
So, next target is Western Union then?   Grin
1284  Economy / Goods / Re: !!! [SALE PENDING] 2007 PORSCHE CAYMAN S - 8200 MILES !!! on: April 02, 2013, 10:08:49 PM
Sold! I'll post an update soon.
For Bitcoins??
1285  Other / Off-topic / Re: The ones who didn't listen. on: April 02, 2013, 09:29:59 PM
I told a friend of mine about it in summer 2011.  Not long afterward, he built a computer with 2x 6990's and mined nonstop (and is still mining on the same machine).  He never sold or used a single one, just held them all.  He's got 225 BTC now... worth $26,012.25.

Those $600 6990's were a good investment.  Cheesy

I'm glad I was able to get at least one of my friends to listen to me!


Great. Now, the interesting part for me is: Why did he not sell any bitcoins ? Did he anticipate them to grow in value in the future, or didn't he really not need the money, so he just went with the wind to see how it went ?
Now that, I really don't know.  He's been unemployed for almost that entire length of time as well, surviving on various contract side jobs.  It's not like he couldn't use the money, it's just that he didn't ever sell any.  *shrug*  He even kept them all on deepbit until I convinced him to move them away a few weeks back.
1286  Other / Off-topic / Re: The ones who didn't listen. on: April 02, 2013, 09:10:48 PM
I told a friend of mine about it in summer 2011.  Not long afterward, he built a computer with 2x 6990's and mined nonstop (and is still mining on the same machine).  He never sold or used a single one, just held them all.  He's got 225 BTC now... worth $26,012.25.

Those $600 6990's were a good investment.  Cheesy

I'm glad I was able to get at least one of my friends to listen to me!
1287  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: April 02, 2013, 09:06:30 PM
Funny, if you DIDNT pre-order in bitcoin when they first announced pre-orders than you could buy their most expensive unit for what you would have paid then for the Jalepeno.
Erm, might want to double-check your math on that.

Jalepeno = $150.
BTC on 6/23/12 = $6.60 (or thereabouts)
Jalepeno = 22.72 BTC.

Today, 22.72 BTC = $2,583.18.  Not even close to a minirig ($30,000).
1288  Other / Meta / Re: Stop accepting ads from BFL until they deliver? on: April 02, 2013, 08:28:49 PM
They have no intentions of delivering, but don't mind taking the money from preorders.
Willing to put some money on that statement?
1289  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: First BFL ASIC! on: April 02, 2013, 07:31:48 PM

For this statement to be false, both of the two following conditions must be met:

• Before April 1st 2013, at least one BFL customer with a bitcointalk.org forum account established prior to the bet's opening date shall post detailed and credible photos of the device on the forum, including photos of it operating, and report its hashrate. This customer cannot be a BFL employee.

• The device must achieve at least 75% of its advertised hashrate.

It seems to me that both of the conditions were met.  Where in the conditions does it say anything about shipping? 


The post was made at April 01, 2013, 05:36:32 AM so therefore it was not made before April 1st.

It was before April 01 in some timezones though, and a timezone wasn't specified.  Whether it met the April 1 requirement or not is kind of a toss up.
1290  Economy / Speculation / Re: $110USD per BTC. on: April 02, 2013, 07:28:31 PM
I don't understand how a person could stomach buying a single bottle of any drink for $2,000.  It really just boggles my mind...

Most don't understand how you can buy something that's virtual 0's and 1's on a file sitting on computers all over the world..
Ehhhh... valid point.   Cheesy
1291  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: I just got off the phone with FinCEN on: April 02, 2013, 07:28:03 PM
If you register you invite regulation, and audits.  Just saying. 

Thats why gun rights people are against registering the fire arms, cause then they know who to demand they be turned in when they later ban them.

When it comes time to attack bitcoin they know who to tell to stop bitcoining.  Just saying.  You register, you disclosed your usage, then a cease and desist letter will come in a year or two.  Who knows?
"Oh, my old .22 rifle?  Yeah, I sold that at a yard sale years ago."
1292  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: All right, I'm a moron. on: April 02, 2013, 07:24:41 PM
I could also go on about my decision to purchase two ASIC miners for 450 BTC when BTC was worth $4.70...

Eh, it's only $50k. Only way more money that I've ever had in my life.  Ever.

Derp.

At least the ASICs SHOULD pay back quite nicely for a while.
1293  Economy / Speculation / The weekend dip has turned into the weekend rally pause. on: April 02, 2013, 07:20:46 PM
Seriously.  We're hardly even dipping in the weekends anymore, at least for sustained periods of time.  It's more like just a flat line until the rally continues the next day.
1294  Economy / Speculation / Re: $110USD per BTC. on: April 02, 2013, 07:19:35 PM
I don't understand how a person could stomach buying a single bottle of any drink for $2,000.  It really just boggles my mind...

I must admit I never bought such an expensive scotch yet, but I also don't see any problem in that. Probably only stopped by the fact that my senses won't let me experience all the nuances and depth of difference between this and some "cheap" $100 bottle.

But you even don't have to drink that - such pieces are often bought as a form of investment - long-term and barely liquid, pardon the pun, but still something that's guaranteed to not lose value over time.
Good point about the investment.

I don't understand how a person could stomach buying a single bottle of any drink for $2,000.  It really just boggles my mind...

I think if you had enough money that $2000 was indistiguishable from $20, you would do that sort of thing.
Good point as well... if you already have everything you want that money can buy, why not spend some more on a bottle of brandy?
1295  Economy / Speculation / Re: $110USD per BTC. on: April 02, 2013, 07:11:15 PM
I don't understand how a person could stomach buying a single bottle of any drink for $2,000.  It really just boggles my mind...
1296  Economy / Goods / Re: !!! New Pics [WTS] 2007 PORSCHE CAYMAN S - 8200 MILES !!! on: April 02, 2013, 07:05:40 PM
355 BTC right now. Pretty amazing, but it seems all potential buyers are waiting indefinitely for a higher exchange rate. Today is the last day to purchase at market rate, I'll be moving to a static pricing model tomorrow morning. Barring a dramatic shift in value, tomorrow's BTC price will be 400 BTC.
Are you expecting BTC value to drop then?  Or just not interested in selling for BTC anymore?
1297  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: First BFL ASIC! on: April 02, 2013, 06:36:05 PM
Ok, people know I am a BFL supporter and have a bet against Micon as to when they will ship, etc.  But I'll say that I can't see any way in which BFL shipped a device before April 1, or any way that this bets of bitcoin bet could conclude otherwise.

Even if you use the technical wording of the bet and do not include the text of the title as being part of the requirement (which I certainly would), some conditions of the bet were not met.

Now, where I disagree with Micon is that coinjedi is in the wrong here.  I think it is absolutely prudent and necessary to take time and gather all the facts before making a final decision involving tens of thousands of dollars (this is a several hundred BTC bet, is it not?).  So, I applaud coinjedi for not rushing to a decision in the event of a close call, which this certainly is.  On the surface, it seems obvious to most people what the outcome should be, but because there is disagreement, coinjedi is right to take his time in deciding the proper result of the bet.

If he somehow concludes that BFL DID ship a unit before April 1st, then and only then would I lose faith in betsofbitco.in.
1298  Economy / Gambling / Re: 80 BTC bet between Micon and mrb (are BFL ASICs real?) on: April 02, 2013, 06:02:13 PM
This video recently came out:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C4bgho5JSI

and it's basically getting laughed at for the power consumption (i mean, the lights literally flicker at :17 as iCEBREAKER noticed 1st) and all my bets state 350 Mh/J.

So in short yes, I expect to win all bets.

For the record, I still expect to win my bet against Micon. (Though the deadline of June 30 is currently my biggest uncertainty - I did expect BFL to be late, but not that late.)

The reason is simple: ASICMINER achieves 167 Mh/J at 130nm. Therefore merely scaling down their design to 65nm (which is BFL's process) should lead to 670 Mh/J, and my bet stipulates 350+ Mh/J.

The BFL video shows a device doing 140 Mh/J, but that includes the inefficiency of the AC/DC power adapter (which is excluded from the bet), and it is affected by the believable explanation of the crappy DC/DC converter (which will be fixed per BFL), and this does not take into account the Jalapeno (which will likely be undervolted to increase power efficiency to fit under the 500mA limit per USB link - remember my bet specifies that only one of BFL's product lines has to beat 350 Mhash/J, not all of them.)

If anybody disagree with me, feel free to bet on http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=665 where I also have 50 BTC on BFL's side Wink
I hope you win your bet.  I definitely expect to win mine.  As long as power beats Avalon and they ship before 7/1, then I'm good.  Smiley
1299  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Instawallet/Bitcoin-Central Security Breach on: April 02, 2013, 02:16:32 AM
If you put password in URL on your website, it is not Googles fault. It would be your and your only your complete and grossly negligible disregard of most trivial best practices in information security.

Do not blame Google it is not their fault.



I find it hard to believe that 3000+ instawallets were posted on the web.  Maybe a dozen, maybe even 10 dozen, but 3,000?

1) How many people created instawallets?
2) Out of those, how many actually used those instawallets?
3) Out of those, how many still hold balances in instawallets?
4) Out of those, how many decided it was a good idea to post their instawallet URL's on the web somewhere, despite the huge red warning against doing so?

I just don't see 3,000 as coming solely from URLs that people have posted online.  As someone else mentioned, I believe Google also gathers information about websites based on what people access through their browser or other services.  If the URL might exist, Google crawls it to find out.
1300  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: I just got off the phone with FinCEN on: April 02, 2013, 02:06:31 AM
I talked to Anthony from FinCEN again for further clarifications on our discussion.

It's not so much whether the other party is registered by FinCEN but it's what you are doing with the coins that matters. Basically, if you're only buying/selling coins for speculative, investment purposes then you are a user and don't need to register. That could include buying/selling from another person directly, or buying/selling physical casascius or virtual coins on ebay. If you do the ability to show that it is only for investment purposes, and use as a "user" would be on you if there were any questions.

If you're doing this as part of a business (which includes mining coins probably, since mining leads to profits of income), then you would need to register. Some points about registering, though:

-It's free to register with FinCEN
-You CAN, in fact, be your own compliance officer. He said that many business owners do just that.
-Was pointed to the following page: http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retrieveECFR?gp=&SID=8540ec934b849dc3f899a9454b6f32d4&n=31y3.1.6.1.6&r=PART&ty=HTML

He explained that for the most part, the only things that need to be reported are suspicious transactions, and you can search the web for examples of sample anti-money laundering programs. I asked what forms of identification we needed to collect from those we did business with, he replied that I should read the regulations but in general, MSB don't have the same guidelines, as say, banks do. My interpretation of the guidelines found at http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c=ecfr&SID=b99714739ce703375951af7f060e38ef&rgn=div8&view=text&node=31:3.1.6.1.2.3.3.7&idno=31 is that you only need to verify the identity of the person when the amounts exceed certain thresholds.

I technically am registered as a sole proprietor, so I might or might not register. It honestly doesn't seem to be a big deal after actually talking through it and reading the stuff. I do not know, however, how the state level will impact it as of now.
Interesting.

Seems like if I'm mining coins for a speculative purpose, I don't need to register.  Sounds good to me!

Thanks for posting the details of these phone conversations, btw.
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