Agree it needs to gain value/market capital but it needs to do so gradually so the number of people with faith in it grows. Wild volatility like this isn't going to help.
In fact this could easily be an attempt by TPTB to scare people out of bitcoin again for a while by pumping it up and crashing it again (buying time seems to be their only plan). It might even it cost them a few $million in losses but that is chump change to them. What would happen if after accumulating over the last few months they suddenly put in a load of offers at $0.1?
What is your proposed solution? I keep seeing posts like this pop up, but the bottom line is, no one can do anything about it. The value of a Bitcoin will be what the value of a Bitcoin will be. If people demand it, price will go up. If people fear, price will go down. IMO, we just need to adopt to a mindset of a fluctuating price. The fluctuation will lessen as Bitcoin becomes larger (look at the current rally vs 2011 rally, or penny stocks vs mature stocks), but there will always be more fluctuation in Bitcoin than there will be in national currency. Look at gold vs the dollar. The dollar goes down over time, but it is much more predictable and consistent than the value of gold. Bitcoin will be similar to gold when it is mainstream adopted.
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I am pretty bullish on paper wallets not fading much over time. My relatives handed down a newspaper from when Lincoln was assassinated. No special storage. Still can read every word. The worst thing is a coffee stain from 1910.
Yeah, they'll last a good long while in the dark. The only paper you really do not want to print on for long-term storage is thermal paper. Everything I've seen that has been printed by an inkjet or laser printer and not left in the light has been completely legible, and I would suspect will stay that way for at least an additional 20 years.
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Well I have order 15X and I ordered and paid on September 23, 2012. DHL still has nothing for me. I did everything correctly, quickly and took the risk. Why don't I have mine?
It appears that it's more of a lottery when it comes to Avalon shipping. No official response from the "Avalon Team". Still waiting...
That'd be frustrating. Waiting for $12k/day in profits to show up at your doorstep, with no firm date and the possibility that they'll be making a lot less by the time you actually get them.
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This from the guy who has Bitcoins in the 6-digits worth USD in the 8-digits.
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Their order numbers are false. Every time you get to the bit-pay screen, it generates an order number, regardless of whether it has been paid for or not. People can run up the number just for fun if they want. Or, generate an invoice to see how much BTC they would have to pay. Or, decide not to order at the last minute. Etc, etc, etc.
Hey, thanks for clearing that up for me. No problem.
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Look at other countries. I'm sure you can find babies and mothers murdered by knives and clubs.
Guns allow old people in wheelchairs and young women to defend themselves against even the strongest of attackers. Those people would be utterly helpless against someone with a knife in a country where guns are illegal.
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Awesome! I've wanted someone to create exactly this for quite some time now, not having the know-how or connections to do it myself.
I hope you can get these cards into drug/department stores on their gift card racks...! Any plans to do so?
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30,000 units is a large over-estimate, given that they've got 75 wafers @ 1,000 chips each and said that it would be way more than they need to fill current preorders. 30,000 CHIPS might be a reasonable estimate though (which would equate to around 4,000 single SCs).
Their order numbers are around 30.000. I know they wouldn't have the chips to build that, afaik they even got only 6 wavers at their hand atm. maybe I missed something. so if they have 30.000 pre-orders without being able to process them with the current resources, it just seems fishy to accept more pre-orders. of cause everyone who asked for a refund got it. You could imagine that all hell would break loose if they refused to refund. enough people call it a scam already. Their order numbers are false. Every time you get to the bit-pay screen, it generates an order number, regardless of whether it has been paid for or not. People can run up the number just for fun if they want. Or, generate an invoice to see how much BTC they would have to pay. Or, decide not to order at the last minute. Etc, etc, etc.
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I talked to my accountant yesterday, and he'd already heard of Bitcoin. If you intend to sell for USD you should take note of what price you initially bought for so you can call it a capital gain/loss.
I should take note? So the IRS is going to take my word for it? I can easily say I bought at 72 and sold at 73.5 Yes, the IRS will take your word for it. That is, unless you get selected to be audited. Then you'd better be damn sure you have a paper trail to back up every dollar you report (or don't report) on your income tax. FIne by me.. Since they won't be able to prove that I bought/sold at any point and even if they trace where bitcoins are going using the blockchain, they don't know what address is mine or not, therefore, irrelevant. So I can't prove when and at what price I bought/sold and they can't prove it either. Since they are the ones that have to prove I committed fraud and not me the one that has to prove that I'm innocent, then I win Obviously I wouldn't want to be in that legal hassle, but it's nice to know bitcoin offers that level of anonymity Usually, they take a look at your bank account(s) and count every deposit into them as "income", then work backwards from there. It is on you to prove what is deductible from that income by showing them how much you paid for the Bitcoins you just sold for $8k, or showing them how much you spent on electricity to mine them, etc. IRS audits on individuals aren't usually about fraud - they're more about making sure you're paying all the taxes you actually owe. Sometimes they can reveal true fraud, but most of the time, they just find a bunch of accidentally unreported income and fine you for it. I understand that process, however, we are talking specifically related to bitcoin. Yes they will see a withdrawal in my account from fiat and if I chose to deposit money back, they will see a deposit back and they can extrapolate the difference from there. Beyond that, it's a big black hole called bitcoin.. Well, exactly. I don't think accrual accounting is required for calculating taxation in most cases anyway (with a few mark-to-market exceptions), so anything not based directly on a USD transaction isn't going to be relevant to the IRS. They don't care when you bought Bitcoin, and at what price, and if you sold it again later, and what price you bought back in at after that. And if you buy BTC and spend it within the BTC world, I wouldn't expect an IRS audit to reveal anything. It's the deposits they care about, because that's where they see it as "cashing out" your investment for a gain or loss, and the point at which those gains/losses become taxable. I would expect to see changes to this in the future, where they'll want you to report gains/losses on digital currencies through some sort of mark-to-market scheme, but that'll probably be a long time in the future yet, and from what I know, this would absolutely not be required with today's tax code.
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The question arises why they'd need new preorders if they already have like 30.000 and not a single unit shipped. and what is that supposed to mean: "Products are shipped according to placement in the order queue, and delivery may take 2 months or more after order. All sales are final."
source https://products.butterflylabs.com/featured-products/60gh-bitcoin-miner.htmlalso, how do they want to produce 50.000 units or so (estimated, many orders are multiple units) in just 2 months? 30,000 units is a large over-estimate, given that they've got 75 wafers @ 1,000 chips each and said that it would be way more than they need to fill current preorders. 30,000 CHIPS might be a reasonable estimate though (which would equate to around 4,000 single SCs). They don't NEED preorders, either. But why leave money on the table when you can spend a little on advertising to get more sales? All sales are final = whatever you think it means. They've been giving refunds to anyone who asks, but maybe that unspoken policy will change once they get the preorders caught up. In other words, it could be a "once we ship, you can't ship it back to us for a refund" sort of policy.
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Dank, this is the one and only time I've actually agreed with what you're saying. Even if fluoride wasn't dangerous, there's no need to keep it in water, when it's been proven not to be beneficial when ingested. That's suspicious.
To be fair, it does do a pretty good job of protecting teeth. That's what tooth paste is for. Water is for drinking. I do not disagree with you. I live in Oregon. No tainted municipal water for me. You lucky son of a gun On the downside, the state is overrun with democrats who think the government should rule our entire lives... :\
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I talked to my accountant yesterday, and he'd already heard of Bitcoin. If you intend to sell for USD you should take note of what price you initially bought for so you can call it a capital gain/loss.
I should take note? So the IRS is going to take my word for it? I can easily say I bought at 72 and sold at 73.5 Yes, the IRS will take your word for it. That is, unless you get selected to be audited. Then you'd better be damn sure you have a paper trail to back up every dollar you report (or don't report) on your income tax. FIne by me.. Since they won't be able to prove that I bought/sold at any point and even if they trace where bitcoins are going using the blockchain, they don't know what address is mine or not, therefore, irrelevant. So I can't prove when and at what price I bought/sold and they can't prove it either. Since they are the ones that have to prove I committed fraud and not me the one that has to prove that I'm innocent, then I win Obviously I wouldn't want to be in that legal hassle, but it's nice to know bitcoin offers that level of anonymity Usually, they take a look at your bank account(s) and count every deposit into them as "income", then work backwards from there. It is on you to prove what is deductible from that income by showing them how much you paid for the Bitcoins you just sold for $8k, or showing them how much you spent on electricity to mine them, etc. IRS audits on individuals aren't usually about fraud - they're more about making sure you're paying all the taxes you actually owe. Sometimes they can reveal true fraud, but most of the time, they just find a bunch of accidentally unreported income and fine you for it.
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This is a thread for the history books - an early example of what might kill bitcoins in the future.
While I can understand why the OP is annoyed, the simple truth is that a deal is a deal in time as well as in legal tender.
Buying and selling in bitcoins can only work if the price is set using a fixed exchange based on time.
If this means that bitcoin doesn't become a currency, then we will have lost a lot of the potential which is currently driving the market.
That would be a shame
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I disagree. It just means that merchants need to work harder to explain refund policies and purchase prices. "Though we accept payment in Bitcoins, the purchase price for our products or services is denominated in USD. In the event of a refund, you will receive Bitcoins or USD equivalent to the purchase price denominated in USD." OR "Though we accept payment in USD, the purchase price for our products or services is denominated in Bitcoins. In the event of a refund, you will receive Bitcoins or USD equivalent to the purchase price denominated in Bitcoins." If they don't, then they'll continue to annoy stubborn and greedy individuals such as the ones showcased in this thread.
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Dank, this is the one and only time I've actually agreed with what you're saying. Even if fluoride wasn't dangerous, there's no need to keep it in water, when it's been proven not to be beneficial when ingested. That's suspicious.
To be fair, it does do a pretty good job of protecting teeth. That's what tooth paste is for. Water is for drinking. I do not disagree with you. I live in Oregon. No tainted municipal water for me.
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I had been selling my merge-mined namecoins for LTC for the past few months. The NMC I had mined would have been worth around 0.5 BTC, but during the LTC rally, I sold the LTC I had accumulated for 3 BTC. One of the rare times I actually had the timing correct for when to buy and sell.
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Dank, this is the one and only time I've actually agreed with what you're saying. Even if fluoride wasn't dangerous, there's no need to keep it in water, when it's been proven not to be beneficial when ingested. That's suspicious.
To be fair, it does do a pretty good job of protecting teeth.
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How much did he scam?
About 0.91 BTC. Not much (though with the recent price rise...!), but still a scam he was hiding and milking for all he could. I'm certainly not going to let him get away with anything but a scumbag title for it. In the distant future we shalt have BTC police hunt down such scum and let them fight in the Satoshi colosseum to their death for the entertainment of the higher class. Seems legit. So theymos says many people have used these IPs - very likely tor nodes then? Anyway, the IP route is bunk, nothing to be gained there. Is anyone particularly skilled with tracking Bitcoin addresses? Perhaps the addresses I listed could be connected to some publicly posted Bitcoin address? My goal is to ensure whoever it is on bitcointalk gets their account marked as a scammer as well.
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Hey, something that dank said that is actually marginally useful!
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I talked to my accountant yesterday, and he'd already heard of Bitcoin. If you intend to sell for USD you should take note of what price you initially bought for so you can call it a capital gain/loss.
I should take note? So the IRS is going to take my word for it? I can easily say I bought at 72 and sold at 73.5 Yes, the IRS will take your word for it. That is, unless you get selected to be audited. Then you'd better be damn sure you have a paper trail to back up every dollar you report (or don't report) on your income tax.
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How much did he scam?
About 0.91 BTC. Not much (though with the recent price rise...!), but still a scam he was hiding and milking for all he could. I'm certainly not going to let him get away with anything but a scumbag title for it.
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