These examples sure are dumb, but you get the idea.
I think the "idea" is that you have to resort to dumb examples to defend your point ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) - carrying a firearm in Switzerland is strictly prohibited, unless you a) are en route to practice with your unit or b) you work in security (meaning your are a policeman or similar). There's no way a regular citizen is allowed to carry a gun, there's no "special permit" or license possible. If authorities catch you carrying a pistol, you go straight to jail. Oh yes.
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if you shot a thief armed with a knife that broke into your house and you kill him, you go to jail for life unless you have an excellent defense that can prove that the thief's intention was not just to steal from you, but to outright kill you...
That's actually the exact same way it is in Maryland (which is only slightly smaller than Switzerland). You are not allowed to carry a gun, except to the shooting range to practice, getting a "special permit" or license to carry a gun is impossible, being caught with gun means you go straight to jail, and if you shoot and kill a thief who broke into your house, you go to jail for life. Pretty much exactly the same in every way. Except that Maryland government doesn't give out guns for free. People have to by them. And yet Baltimore has some of the highest homicide rates in the country. So... what's different if it's not the guns? Oh, on a side note, Rampion, do you live in USA?
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You really like to argue this silly and utterly pointless point. Let's consider:
1. Temperatures dropping below 0 degrees Celsius seem to correlate with water turning into ice.
2. Loch Ness monster sightings increase as the hemlines of skirts get higher.
By way of hypothetical example, Rassah trots out an example like number two, claims correlation does not equate to causation, and tries to use it to dispute the conclusion that water turning into ice is the result of lower temperatures.
Your arguments are pointless. Everywhere.
You are absolutely correct: correlation does not equate to causation. I am simply showing that it is your arguments that are pointless. Correct, water dropping below 0 correlates with ice. Correct, Loch Ness monster sightings correlate to the heght of skirt hemlines. And correct, global temperatures correlate to drop in piracy. But that argument IS pointless. Just as increased crimes correlate to increased gun ownership is a pointless argument. If you want to make an actual valid argument, explain WHY water dropping below 0 causes ice, WHY height of skirt hemlines increase Loch Ness monster sightings, and WHY increase in guns causes more violence. You guys keep failing at that, relying on correlation arguments, and I'm just pointing out that such arguments are worthless.
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If Rassah were to operate an escrow service (maybe he already is), I would highly recommend using it. The dude comes across highly honest, albeit owning a funking coffee table.
Seriously, what is this coffee table malarkey? I have a coffee table. It's nice. We salvaged it from a junk heap, and it was old, wooden, and nasty looking. Hubby sanded it down, spray painted the legs, crossbars, and underneath with grey hammered look spray-paint, making it look like cement, and used black shiny square tile all around the sides and top of the table edge. In the untiled center is a large clear piece of glass, and under the glass is a custom $300 piece of art. It is indeed NSFW, though in the say you would see NSFW art all over Italy or Greece. The table remains covered most of the time. Years ago someone took a picture of me laying on a couch by this table (dressed, of course), and this picture got out on the web. Once in a wile it has been used to poke fun at me, or as an example of how I am a bad or immoral person, ever since. Although slightly annoying, it doesn't really bother me. It's a nice table.
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Reposting for public record to keep everyone honest: Hi. 20 euro includes shipping with insurance.
Please send BTC27 + BTC0.2198 shipping (at 91.01EUR exchange rate) to
1N8U1hEZXR46EJS1V32itMLoKN6MSbFgC4
I will have the item shipped to the following address as soon as I see the payment.
rafsoaken
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You will also receive two complimentary tickets to the convention. I will need your e-mail address to send them to you though.
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Can I just claim that the funds are common, public property stored everywhere in the blockchain, and I'm just one of the people who knows how to get to them? ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) I'm guessing no. It is trivially easy to set it up so that no one really owns it. I did mention I'm not the only one with the key. I'm just the one using it most.
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And here I thought I just barely managed to get in, when I sent my application at 11:58pm on the day it was due ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Maybe because if its not your family who is threatened you don't really care, even if those murders are committed in YOUR name?
You can't kill someone in someone else's name. If you kill someone, you kill someone. Saying it's in some random guy's name is bs, and no one else is responsible but you. Well, in that case world statistics say that less guns = less violent crime.
Statistics also say less pirates = higher global temperatures. That's a fact. Back when we had lots of pirates, temperatures were way lower. As the number of pirates went down, global temperatures went up. Way up. More recently, in the 2000's, the rise in temperatures leveled off a bit, at the same time that Somali pirates started up their activity. During the last two or three years, US really cracked down on piracy in Somalia, killing a bunch of them, and we also had the two hottest years on record.
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You can still get the tickets. Bidding starts at €150 ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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One big issue with the latest suggestions is cost. Enormous costs. A 500 yard WiFi repeater I'm selling is about $2,000
Are we not the future wealthy elite? ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Another problem is the constant maintenance. I've seen people setting up repeater systems before, and it took a lonnnng time to figure it through. It's a good thing we're imagining all of this as a Bitcoin fallback network, we can gamify it by getting the nodes to detect and record downtime, and offer BTC time based reward-on-re-up incentives to our new engineering warriors ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Maybe even atmospheric sensors to detect how dedicated our repair militant was to getting the thing online again ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) I love the gamification aspect, but its hard to prevent gaming of the system. Lets say I have a bounty for fixing a long-haul node, but all I've really done is disconnect the power leads from the solar circuit to the board. I reconnect it, get my money and go on to disable another node for profit. I'm not sure how to get around that kind of behavior. Guns?
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OTOH, we can easily take Bitcoin 100 to the next level, where we would be dealing with millions of dollars if we so desire. But, if we were to do such, it would take so much time to maintain that those in control would be expected to take a salary, albeit one much lower than what's doles out via other NPO's to their CEO/VPs/staff.
You can? How? And yeah, once salaries enter the mix, governments are going to want to know how much we paid to whom, and "just look at blockchain.info" won't cut it. I sure the hell hope Rassah has been paying attention in his accounting/business classes.
I'm getting a refresher, since I'm doing accounting for the Amsterdam conference ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I think transhumanism is more "Hey guys! Let's fuck with our DNA, pump ourselves full of chemicals, and stick computers in our brains, until we figure out how to live for ever!"
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If we start spending other people's money on anything other than donations, it might be best to register and start acting like a "legitimate" non-profit.
How come? The IRS, my friend. I believe the Internal Revenue Service might insist bitcoins sent to us constitute "taxable income" unless we register as a 501c. I could be wrong, however. I don't have much experience in running non-profits. One issue with that: Bitcoin100 is not an American entity. I donate my time to it, and you, Bruno, and I are US citizens (dunno about edd), none of whom actually get a salary. Other people helping and volunteering are from other countries. So Bitcoin100 is really a web-based entity. One could argue that since I am running it, it is my personal thing, and I should do personal reporting of my own personal hobby project, specifically to make sure I'm not scamming with a fake "charity," but I don't claim to own Bitcoin100, am not in sole possession of the funds (others have the private key as well), and all activities are completely public, so there is nothing for me to scam or hide. This whole thing is one of those new tricky "global entity" things that many other international companies are struggling with... ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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One big issue with the latest suggestions is cost. Enormous costs. A 500 yard WiFi repeater I'm selling is about $2,000
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The answer is multi-signing
Am I right in remembering that an implemented multi-sig wallet format doesn't yet exist, but is at the BIP stage? We have multi-sig public keys, that I know. It is implemented, and you can do it from command line. There just isn't any GUI yet, because devs don't want people accidentally locking and/or losing their coins. Gavin said this is his top priority this summer. Summer is almost over. Hopefully Gavin is almost done ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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How big do we want to get?
As big, or small, as our supporters want us to get? What happens when we run out of charities, when every respectable organization has either accepted our BTC or said "No thanks"? Does the Bitcoin100 story end or do we start a new chapter?
We will likely never run out of charities. There are new ones popping up all the time. We may run out of money way before then though. When bitcoin is ubiquitous, and everyone uses it anyway, then we will end. I agree with Peter that the funds donated so far should be considered earmarked for charities only. Rassah, Phinnaeus and I are covering the minimal overhead expenses for Bitcoin100 out of our personal funds but if we begin accruing additional expenses it might be wise to keep everything as transparent as possible.
We could set up a separate BTC account, I guess... Though I'm not sure how it would work exactly. It's not like we have revenues, and 100% of our income budget is for charities. Maybe we could post updates on things we need (like add spots and such) and have people donate to fund those specifically? Though that would require people to either donate twice, or choose between donating to our operating and our charity account. Another idea is to set up a % of future donations from a specific point to be spent on operating budget. I.e., all donations so far are charity only, and all donations starting on some day in the future will be split with 5% going to operating. We can then adjust the % as we need more or less. If we start spending other people's money on anything other than donations, it might be best to register and start acting like a "legitimate" non-profit.
How come? It might be interesting to see how bitcoins and the blockchain may be used to allow our books to remain open to review by anyone and everyone. I for one would like to make a real effort to keep funds in a closed "bitcoin only" loop.
Of course. BTC100 money goes into the BTC100 address, and any time I spend anything from it, the change goes right back to the BTC100 address. That way, all money is kept in one place, and all transactions are trackable from one address. If we set up an operating account, I would set it up the exact same way, with 5% (e.g.) transfers coming in from the main BTC100 address, all change on expenses going right back to the operating account, and all expenses noted in the blockchain.info address transaction list.
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New charity suggestion: Would you consider donating to http://neuroethics.com/ if a BTC donation button was prominently displayed? It is a registered 501c3. Thanks! Looks like part of the Transhumanism movement. Thoughts?
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i dont think so btc is the preliminary crypt currency of the day governments are already positioning themselves to have their own, Canada has already tested their own backed crypto currency.
If Canada creates a cryptocurrency that they completely control, who will mine it? If it doesn't need to be mined, and they just keep track of it in their own private centralized ledgers, then how is it different from the currency they have now? And if it requires mining, and Canada has no control over it, then how is it different from any other alt-coin knockoff?
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Depends on how suicidal the U.S government and Federal Reserve is feeling, there's every possibility.
Agreed! They're both acting like Kamikaze at the moment! If the US needs a Greek style bailout, or worse a Cyprus style bailin, the bitcoin price will skyrocket! US won't need a bailout, as it prints its own currency. It can just print more of it, and inflate the debt. Also, government spending deficit is decreasing considerably due to the fiscal cliff. No, I think we'll have to rely on actual adoption and use for this one.
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Auction over. rafsoaken is the winner. Will contact via PM 27
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On yeah, that's right, just use lasers for long distance. No radio interference and no jamming.
No radio interference, true. But fog, rain, birds, dust storms, snow, spiders...? Also, jamming a beam of light is more trivial than jamming a radio signal. Depends on how much power you put through it ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) *sizzle!*
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And here you have the example of how people who is murdering women and children and bombing countries to the stone age, sometimes enjoying what they are seeing, are justified by you - and I'm sure they are justified by their families and community.
You keep saying that, but I'm just not seeing that anywhere. I'm pretty sure everyone, including Americans, see those guys as the "bad guys."
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