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1941  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: announcement: the international "when-bitcoin-reaches 1000,- $ party" on: October 28, 2013, 05:17:06 PM
I see a lot of women involved in craft, jewelry, and antique fairs. That may be a good place to start. Get them to accept btc for tyairnwares online, or teach then to set it up on their phones, and they don't,t have to worry as much about change or credit cards. Maybe try to get Etsy to add it as an option (though that may cut into their profits). Maybe convince some moms to put aside some money into Bitcoin for their kid's college funds. Shouldn't be too hard if you show them returns over the last 3 years and only have them put in a little bit. They may get more interested as they see their small investment grow.
Basically, just talk to women you know, whether friends or relatives or whatever.
1942  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: announcement: the international "when-bitcoin-reaches 1000,- $ party" on: October 28, 2013, 04:18:12 PM
You know, instead of free entry for women, or attracting women with wealthy guys and sports cars, why don't we just spend the next few months (years?) focusing on getting more women actually interested in bitcoin? That would be quite a bit less sexist. Plus if you meet single bitcoiner women there, you'll already have something in common.
1943  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: October 28, 2013, 03:45:00 PM
Can someone please explain how nothing occurs?  Nothing is impossible, there's always something.


Why is there always something? If you create a thick lead sphere, and stick it into space behind some planet far in our solar system, so that the planet is blocking out the sun, the inside of the sphere is exposed to vaccum to get all the gas out, and the lead in the sphere blocks out all light and radiation, that sphere will have plenty of nothing in it.
1944  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: October 28, 2013, 03:18:49 PM
Still "Lucite falacy." The author starts to fail right at this sentence
Some of those industries  are  relatively labor intensive
What he is missing is that we will have new types of jobs, ones that may not even be labor intensive, and that automating labor just frees up people to do something more productive.
The problem is not new jobs won't be created at all, it is that technological progress started to accelerate too fast now to create new jobs in larger quantities than traditional being destroyed by productivity growth (automation). Author of this book mentioned about this trend:
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We can expect that technological advance will give rise to entirely new industries in the future. However, the reality is that few if any of these are likely to be labor intensive. By their very nature, these new industries will tend to rely on information technology and will offer relatively few opportunities for average workers. There is also a risk that these new industries may directly compete with and ultimately destroy existing, more labor intensive industries.

Old people have been complaining about "things moving too fast" probably since the beginning of civilization. Yes, there will be fewer labor intensive jobs, just as there have been fewer and fewer labor intensive jobs throughout the progress of 1900's, but that just freed up people to do other much more productive jobs. And yes, employment terms will be shorter and shorter. Used to be you would find a life-long job, then a 25 year career, now people switch jobs every 5 years. When Bitcoin takes over and converts us to a deflationary economy, people will have to renegotiate work contracts probably every year. Eventually you would be able to pop onto an online job board, and do something for someone for a couple of hours from home. Average woorker used to till the soil, then pound on things in factories, then serve fries and clean hotels, and soon may be sitting at home, tagging photos with keywords or something. Although change is scary and uncomfortable, I don't think this will necessarily be a bad thing.

Also, even if it is a scary future we are moving towards, there's really nothing that anyone can do to stop it. The days of wealth control through issuing government money, and "equalizing" things through confiscation-and-redistribution are coming to an end.
1945  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: October 27, 2013, 04:12:52 PM
Still "Ludite falacy." The author starts to fail right at this sentence
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Some of those industries  are  relatively  labor  intensive

His idea seems to be that as long as we have more labor intensive jobs available, we will continue to have employment, but as labor intensive jobs get replaced by automation, unemployment will decrease. What he is missing is that we will have new types of jobs, ones that may not even be labor intensive, and that automating labor just frees up people to do something more productive.

Yes, if we resort to central planning, or remove work inventive by giving unconditional income, and through those method effectively freeze our economic and technological progress where it is now, then old jobs will get replaced by automation, and new jobs will not be allowed to be created, so we will end up with an unemployment problem. But if we allow creative types to come up with whatever new inventions, businesses, or automation they want, and allow workers to work for any amount of money and any amount of time, then the people at the top will always come up with new ideas to explore and implement, and laborers who get replaced by automation will always get freed up to help explore the new ideas.
At the very least, we will always need people to help maintain those robots. At most, we will always need people to be creative and visionary, and to pick directions and steer ideas and businesses forward. Down the middle, we will always at least need people to put together the new methods of innovation. Those robots, factories, and businesses aren't going to build themselves.
1946  Economy / Economics / Re: Argentina nightmare on: October 27, 2013, 03:42:41 PM
.....

We can be less educated because idiots I know are going $40k into debt to get a fucking B.S. in pottery.
They should definitely go for the comparative ethnic and women's pottery studies degrees.

Better yet, an MBA.  Since MBAs are so skilled and produce so much for society.

Cough.

Yeah, not the same thing. An MBA typically involves a concentration in something. I have an MBA with concentration in global business and finance. Others in my group went into MBA's with focus in securities and investments, marketing, economics, supply chain management, global sourcing, human resources, etc. You know, all those things that help an idea or a personal piece of programming code turn into an actual business. Unless you're arguing that business never produced anything for society, and that we should all go back to each person only producing one thing, like farmer, blacksmith, barber, etc.
1947  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Namecoin was stillborn, I had to switch off life-support on: October 25, 2013, 06:22:12 PM
So my 37 domains are useless? Worthless?

Wtf?

No, you just can't transfer them to anyone else until a patch is released.
1948  Economy / Economics / Re: Distribution of bitcoin wealth by owner on: October 25, 2013, 05:18:39 PM
Minimum number of all users, or minimum number of users in the top brackets? Because we know we've had over 100,000 bitcoin users since Summer of 2011.
1949  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: announcement: the international "when-bitcoin-reaches 1000,- $ party" on: October 25, 2013, 04:12:21 PM
Can we have an international "I finally got BTC1,000 party?" Maybe I'll get to go to it sometime  Smiley
1950  Economy / Economics / Re: Argentina nightmare on: October 25, 2013, 03:44:38 PM
The house has probably already saved over $2 trillion in additional spending. Selling the schools will allow them to pay off all their debt.

Governments don't actually pay down their debt. If a government starts to take in more in taxes than it spends, instead of using that money to reduce debt, they go, "It's the people's money, we should cut taxes." Or they figure out what else they can spend it on (usually more social programs). And thus, government debt pretty much always increases, until either the government defaults, or collapses. For it to happen otherwise, you would have to believe that the citizens of one country actually cared about the debt that they owe to the citizens of another country, and more specifically cared about the debt that was taken out in their name, without their consent, by their politicians.
1951  Economy / Economics / Re: Distribution of bitcoin wealth by owner on: October 25, 2013, 03:28:21 PM
What happens if you change some of your assumption parameters?

Seconded. When we do financial projections, we typically include best-guess scenario, and also include best-case and worst-case. Can you provide something like this with a list of parameters that would change? Also, did my explanation of my own situation help with the BTC1,000+ calculations any?
1952  Economy / Economics / Re: Distribution of bitcoin wealth by owner on: October 25, 2013, 03:25:26 PM
Yes. Thanks rpietila, for starting this thread. It's quite the eye opener. It is making me rethink whether I want to hold a currency with such a top heavy distribution.

Well, the nice thing is, all those top holders have an extreme interest in making sure bitcoin succeeds, and are pumping that money into bitcoin businesses and projects, AND they want someplace to actually spend those coins. And at the same time, all us poor plebes want to be able to get our hands on those coins, and have quite a few wealthy bitcoiners willing to give up their coins for our jobs and products, even if they are of questionable quality  Grin
1953  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: October 25, 2013, 02:56:09 PM
But like has been said, the people were superstitious and so if their priests declared the leader to be ordained by God, then they would have to follow them or risk ending up in Hell.

It was actually quite a bit simpler and more sinister than that. And also the way Sovier Union came into power. Basically, you convince only enough people that there is some absolute truth (God is real and says so-and-so, or State and Motherland are so-and-so), and convince them that those who disagree with or question these absolutes (which are designed to be unquestionable, like god is) are enemies of the state/religion, who will try to convert, subvert, and destroy you. You don't even need to convince everyone of this. Just enough so that if someone does start to question, everyone else, whether they actually believe your BS or not, will report on them, kill them, or burn them at the stake, just out of fear of being found out to be such outsider themselves. Eventually, you can even end up with no one really believing any of that BS, but still towing the line, and even being overzealous about it, just so they don't get caught.
And this is why internet, global unrestricted communication, and anonymity are so important, and have contributed so much to the fall of dictatorships and theocracies.
1954  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: October 25, 2013, 02:24:59 PM
That would explain why so many rulers claimed to either be Gods or were blessed by God to rule; once you train a people to believe self-governance is a ticket to Hell, you make yourself (assuming yourself is a king) not only wanted, but impossible to live without.

Yep. In my opinion, this was the sole reason for organized religion to come into existence.

That's not an opinion. Especially with respect to Christianity. We actually have historical records to support this.
1955  Economy / Economics / Re: Distribution of bitcoin wealth by owner on: October 24, 2013, 10:01:46 PM
Interesting deductions. I'll add more info, in case it helps you with the rest of your guesswork:

The logic is as follows:

Evidence

1. Your forum account is created in June-2011.

2. You have been forum active ever since and are Director in bitcoin-something.

3. You told you sold more than BTC1000 at $22 (Feb. 8, 2013)

Deduction


1. It is very rare to have a Jun-2011 account. This points to a person who has (with good probability) been able to mine/buy large amounts with
small cash outlay. (Hardly anyone creates an account without having the coins already.)

There are quite a few people with accounts that old who were big fans of bitcoin from a political/sociological standpoint, but who didn't actually have the money to buy any coins or mining equipment (the prodigal teenage bitcoiner basement dwellers). Personally, my mining operation consisted of two 300MHash/s GPUs, which I bought soon after joining the forum. Throughout their entire life (I stopped mining when reward halved to 25BTC), I think they mined me something like 100BTC. Probably less, since they weren't always working. Other than that, I have admitted to using Bitcoin as a long-term savings account for things I don't need to pay for right away, but have used those coins to pay for a few trips and vacations (including to Europe), and a few phones and tablets. I didn't actually have all that much cash to invest into bitcoin to begin with, either ($100 at $10/BTC exchange rate only nets you BTC10, and I couldn't put in more than a few hundred every month)

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2. Being able to sell a significant amount at $22 points to me a long-term holding:

That entire amount actually came from a large purchase at about $10-$13 that was done using a large loan just a few month prior to the sale (borrowed over time during September and October, sold in January). So it wasn't from long-term holding at all. Actually, the story is that I wanted to buy a BFL ASIC rig, and needed $30,000 for it. I had a bit of my own money, but needed to borrow a significant amount to be able to afford that thing. However, due to $5,000 Dwolla balance limitations and 3 to 7 day bank transfer times, I was limited to converting USD to BTC at $5,000 a week, meaning it took me from late August to late October just to transfer enough money into BTC. By the time I had enough in BTC to afford to purchase that rig, BFL claimed that they will start shipping in 2 weeks or so. So I decided to hold off on preordering, and buy a rig when they are sold outright (this was around the end of October). Once January came around, and the price started to go way up (and BFL still wasn't shipping), I decided to sell off the borrowed bitcoin at $22, pay off the loan, and use the remaining profits to buy a new car instead (the Prius with the BITCOIN license place, to replace my old '99 civic had 250,000+ miles on it). Actually, I even had to go a bit out of pocket, since the profit didn't cover the entire cost of the car.
As for the director position, I'm the director of the Bitcoin100 charity fundraiser. All that means, really, is that I'm entrusted with the money, and am volunteering my time to doing accounting, somewhat-directing what charities we try to give that money to, and send the money. The actual Bitcoin100 account only has BTC149 in it, none of which are actually mine.

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3. It is a lower bound that you would have BTC1,000 today. If you play wisely, you only sell a little at a time, and can earn BTC every year, so that your current holdings should be at least BTC3,000.

I'd like to think I have played wisely, since I didn't do any bitcoin loans, ponzies, gambling, or stocks (which ultimately couldn't get a bigger return than bitcoin itself). But I was forced to sell a lot at times, just because that's the only money I had to use to pay for travel and other large expenses. I *WISH* I had $3,000  Cry

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The upper bound is that you resort to borderline lying, where you downplay the amount sold, and forget to tell that you bought back, and sold after very tight analysis only 10% of your holdings, then you might have BTC10,000 or more.
I assume that anyone whose forum account is from 2011 or earlier, has BTC1,000-BTC10,000 unless proven otherwise.

Obviously we all buy back, but I only buy back with the money I have. If I have spent it, I no longer have it, and am right back to only buying with what I have earned while working at my job. Consider that some of us are only able to put, say, $200 into BTC every month, and have one or twice a year expenses of $500 to $1,500. I just ran this hypothetical using MtGox prices, and even if the person buys $200 a month worth since June 2011, and never spent any of those coins, they would only have about BTC650BTC at this point. If they had to spend, say, $1,000 twice a year, once in Spring and one in Autumn, they would only have at most about BTC200BTC. That's nowhere near BTC1,000, and definitely not BTC10,000. I think you need to really reduce your estimations for old members, since many of us aren't wealthy enough to dump thousands into bitcoin.

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4. Yes I know that bitcoin is not life and life can go wrong and you lose most of your bitcoins to bad bets as you don't realize how precious they are. But even in this case, considering your position, I think here we have a 4-figure Countess.

I won't dispute, or confirm that (other than the Countess part  Grin ) but hopefully my example shows that this isn't such a cut-and-dry conclusion.
1956  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: October 24, 2013, 08:42:47 PM
Not being negative, it simply is.  What happens when you eat something?  Chemical reactions, change, destruction, creation of new life.

I'm pretty sure the only thing that happens is shit. There may be other life that feeds on your shit, but otherwise you just make shit. Butt-babies are a myth.
1957  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: October 24, 2013, 08:39:32 PM
Your world can be meaningless, limited or godless, but it doesn't make it apply to any other reality other than yourself.

I am pretty sure you got that backwards. It's: Your world can be full of meaning, limiteless, and with god, but it doesn't make it apply to any reality other than yourself. The rest of us have out own realities, meanings, and gods.
1958  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: October 24, 2013, 08:28:07 PM
I'm saying it's a leap of faith if you believe the Universe is inherently meaningless.  Saying it's meaningless but then giving your own desires and sufferings any significance is just a non-sequitur. There can be no logical justification for anything in a meaningless Universe.  If you assert that set x is meaningless and set x contains set y, set y is therefore also meaningless.  You should have no business talking about what's good or bad for you in a meaningless Universe.  

As was mentioned, the question isn't whether the universe is meaningless, but to whom is it meaningless. It has a lot of meaning to those people with the pleasure and pain centers who are following the actions they were wired for, but it's pretty much meaningless to the rest of it's planets, stars, and existence in general.


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Saying you 'just happen' to be wired a certain way is like saying it 'just happens' that everything in the Universe adheres to mathematical laws...as if it were some kind of fluke.  Given that mathematical laws are meaningful, it's self-evidently the opposite.

I guess in this case it depends on your definition of meaningful. Plus, fluke implies that it could/should have happened one way, but turned out to happen another way. With the universe, it just happened. If there are other universes, things likely happened differently there. So, it's not so much a fluke as just inevitability. I'm not sure that mathematical laws are meaningful, either. Again, to whom? We think they are meaningful, because they help us understand the universe and create awesome tech gadgets. The universe doesn't really care. And if the laws were diffferent, some other inteligent creatures would have likely found them meaningful in some other way, while the rest of the universe would just continue to exist.
So, maybe you're ascribint some definition of meaningful to mean "it isn't just random, it's specific, has meaning, can be used to exchange information," and I'm not sure what the goal of that is (for a creationist, that would be proof of inteligent design), but I don't think they are meaningful, or even significant, beyond our own personal interests.
1959  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: October 23, 2013, 09:30:47 PM
Many things have been done in the name of Christianity that are not "Christian."  Just because someone says that they are does not mean that they are.  

In the case of Columbus, the whole world said that they are, because the whole world believed as he did. As you saying that even if everyone thought they were Christian at some point in the past, they could still be wrong in regards to what it constitutes to be a Christian and to follow god''s teaching? If yes, why do you think the sheppards that wrote the bible scripts were not just as wrong as Columbus and all his christians of that time?

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But on the being honest with God.  I agree that He deals with all of us differently.  I think sometimes we expect Him to answer in a specific way and if His response is not what we expect we dismiss Him.  One of my favorite stories in the Old Testament was about Elijah.  He went up to the mountain top and was really upset with God and felt like God had abandoned him.  It goes on to say that there was a mighty wind, but God was not in the wind, then there was a giant earthquake but God was not in the earthquake and then there was a fire but God was not in the fire, but then God Whispered.   It was a very still and small voice that He spoke with.  I think we do not quiet our hearts.  We are so busy with the craziness of life that we do not still our souls and listen.

So your answer is B, "you didn't believe, or were sincere enough"
1960  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Online quiz to see if you are more "left, right, Authoritarian or Libertarian" on: October 23, 2013, 09:24:49 PM
How would those landowners passify the plebs if democracy was no longet an option, I wonder?

By installing a state Tongue

But that's ridiculously expensive!
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