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1921  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Origin of the Human DNA on: October 29, 2013, 08:06:03 PM

And males have nipples. Smiley

Yeah, but those do actually have uses  Wink
1922  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Google 'Floating Structures'. Anyone wants to bet what those are? on: October 29, 2013, 07:53:02 PM
That's where Google stores their pallets of cash  Grin
1923  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: October 29, 2013, 07:51:34 PM
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If by "soul" you mean "infrared light," then sure, but then that soul is pretty much worthless and meaningless too.
You are conscious aren't you, not simply a robot?  You have a lapse of time between thought don't you?  You are a conscious being with a soul, whatever you want to call that.

I'm no different from a clock, a robot, or a computer. Same mechanism bound by physics, just a tad (a lot) more complicated and a bit more aware of my surroundings. So, by extention, a clock and a robot would have to have a soul, too. In which case, why would I give a crap about something so trivial and abundant?

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Sorry, not according to all the evidence we have, and there's tons of it.
Our failure to channel this infinite energy does not mean it doesn't exist.  The universe is consciousness.  Consciousness is infinite, including powerful.

Didn't you quote some laws about entropy and energy not being able to be created or destroyed earlier? Those same laws state that there can't be infinite energy. And, as we now know, the universe is not full of infinite energy. It's actually not even a "something out of nothing." There is just as much antimater in our universe as there is matter, both of which was created during the big bang, and if you were to take everything that exists in the universe and sum it all up, you would get exactly 0. All matter will get canceled by antimater. This was a hypothesis, or at most a fairly well supported theory, until we started up the Large Hadron Colider. When we did that, and started to monitor the results, we actually found many instances of tiny big bangs happening, where matter and antimater seemingly popped into existance out of nothing, proving once and for all that something (a +1 and a -1) can come out of nothing, as long as the sum of it was still nothing (0). And it also only confirmed the fact that there is no infinite energy. There is only a limited about of +1, which is offset by an exact amount of -1.


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You mean "quantum" quantum? Or "new age bullshit" quantum? Because even quantum theory doesn't break the speed of light
I cannot find it now, I saw it years ago.  It was quantum.

Are you sure it wasn't just some fancy-word gobledegook? About two or three decades ago things were "atomic." Before then things were "space age." Before then they were "electonic" or "electromagnetic." People latch on to new fancy terminology, and make shit up with those words just to sound smart, despite their claims still being made up shit.

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Speaking from experience? Can you test this theory to verify it?
Yes, I have already killed my ego to the point I entered the 8th-10th dimension, absent of time and space, absorbed completely in a infinitely loving ball of light.

Your ego is just your brain's neural network. Do you mean that you killed off a bunch of your brain cells? I think we can sort of guess that already. Have you ever actually stopped your brain, and your body, from functioning? Tons of other people have (accidental and induced comas). How come their experiences are all exactly the same, which is that they were not aware of anything during that time?

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Because "space" is "nothing." There is nothing out there far away. Or more specifically, there isn't anything at all out there far away. Again, space doesn't "exist." It's just an area of that nothing that you claim can't exist, which we separate using our own abstract boudnaries (such as the outer shell of a lead sphere, or the limit beyond which light and energy has not traveled yet.)
But there's still something there.  Even if there appears to be nothing, everything is taking place in the same spot.

What is taking place outside of that spot?

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Ah, but I am not there. I am not inside the hypothetical lead sphere, and no one is in the space outside our universe's expansion. So there is still nothing there.
But you are everywhere, consciousness.  Are you proposing we are the center of the universe then?  Our reality of the universe is the only one?

Our reality of the universe is the only one we are experiencing, but the universe is existing everywhere with and without us. If we are everywhere through consciousness, are you proposing that your consciousness can break the fundamental rule of physics that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light? If not, how did your coonsciouness reach the far parts of the universe in just the time since you were born?

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If you could give a test dummy LSD and measure the cognitive effects, I'd say that'd work.  But unfortunately, shifting dimensions is an art only one can experience themselves.

No need for a dummy. An idiot would suffice. Give the drug to a willing test subject, and watch his brain patters and changed in brain chemistry. That gives a pretty good picture of what happens, and why.
Humans had 250,000 years of your types of claims, and to prove any of the stuff you are talking about. Still waiting for proof.


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Think about it, you fall asleep and you enter other dreams, other real realities and you come back to this one because you chose to live a life.  How do you know you didn't wake up in one of your dreams and remember something from this life as if it was a dream?

I know because I am still sane. Because I didn't take drugs, and because I can still tell what is real and what is not. My brain still works as designed by nature. When something is completely broken, it often can't even tell that it's broken, because they very things that tell that thing that it is broken are themselves broken.
And FYI, we understand dreams pretty well too. In layman's terms, your brain's long-term memory centers convert things from short-term as fast as they can, often slapping things one on top of the other, and dreams are basically your brain performing a defrag function on your memories, in order to organize all those network pathways I mentioned more efficiently. That's why dreams are often about recent experiences, why they can sometimes seem to f'ed up, and why lack of sleep for a long time can literally drive someone insane (I *almost* minored in psychology, dropping it with only two classes to go)


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For you, maybe...
I understand everything my friend.  The beginning, the end, the cycles and the transitions.  I've lived forever, I am not new to the game of life.

It's just too bad that there's no way for you to prove it, by, say, telling something about some history past that can be verified,  or explaining some conncept of astrophysics that can actually be verified when tested (so far your claims have actually been contrary to tested and confirmed astrophysics concepts)
1924  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: announcement: the international "when-bitcoin-reaches 1000,- $ party" on: October 29, 2013, 07:16:42 PM
Would be kinda funny, ironic, and maybe even uncomfortable, if in the next year or two the US went into another even bigger recession (maybe spurned by more debt fights and an actual default), and the price of BTC goes to $1,000 only because USD plummets by 25% to 50%. We would essentially be having a huge celebration because of a USD crash  Tongue

(not that I think USD will crash that much. All those tanks and aircraft carriers are still worth a lot)
1925  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] BTCJam - Peer to Peer Bitcoin Lending on: October 29, 2013, 06:50:43 PM
Why not get some coders together and put together a competing service? The demand is obviously there, as are people willing to make that happen...
1926  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Origin of the Human DNA on: October 29, 2013, 04:56:42 PM
"The Origin of the Human DNA"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2YnC0JmVfA

If you choose the first answer "Natural evolution", please describe how "random mutations" increase genetic information as opposed to actually destroying it. What is the force behind evolution that attempts to decrease entropy as opposed to the laws of thermodynamics, which state that isolated systems eventually evolve towards the state of maximum entropy (complete lack of order). Is there an external influence on our system then? What might that be?

Imagine you have a bunch of 6-sided dice, which are your "life" that needs to survive and evolve.

1) What you are describing, involving random mutations and entropy:

You throw the dice, get a bunch of random numbers. They don't actually mean anything, since you can randomly pick any numbers as survivors, and toss any other numbers aside. This isn't how evolution works though.

2) Let's say there is still entropy, but now we add evolution, where the results of the randomness have meaning. In this case, anything that is 4 or above "survives," anything that's 3 or below we throw away. This is similar to 4> being a beneficial mutation that helps the creature survive, and 3< being a bad mutation that kills it (like cancer or a defect).

You throw the dice, get a bunch of random numbers. You throw away all the ones that are less than or equal to 3. Now you have a bunch of survivors of 4+. Pick them up and throw them again, you'll have fewer survivors. Keep repeating, and you'll eventually have none left. This is basically a species that exists in entropy, where it's genetic mutations are guided by its environment (evolution), but there is no outside influence to propagate it, so, as entropy states, it will fall appart into maximum entropy.

3) Now let's use the real world we live in. There is still entropy, and there is still evolution, but now there is an outside source of energy, like the sun, which allows this species to survive and reproduce.

As in 2, you throw the dice, throw away anything that's 3 or below, and keep everything that's 4 or above. Now you can use the outside energy source to "reproduce" the dice. For every die that's still around, add another, basically doubling the amount of survivors. Throw again, and repeat. If you are lucky, this species will keep growing in number. If not, it will die out, and some other luckier dice thrown by someone else will take over.

This is the right way to think about evolution: it has a source of outside energy (sun, geothermal, etc) as opposed to being an issolated system of entropy, and although the genetic mutations are random, they are selected and guided by the outside environment, such as longer hair helping survive in cold climates, and harder skin or faster legs protecting from predators. Yes, eventually, once the sun's energy will run out, this system will fall apart as well, just as our actual sun and solar system will.
1927  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: October 29, 2013, 04:38:25 PM
I'm sorry, but I have to point out that the idea that the Universe is 13.8 billion years old is fraught with so many problems that I can't believe it's still asserted by scientists. 

On a somewhat similar note, I also find it funny that the 'Big Bang,' a theory with a name seemingly created by a Neanderthal, is where the explanatory buck stops.

I'd (nearly) stake my life on a bet that in the (probably) not-so-distant future we're going to be looking at the Big Bang in the same context as the flat earth theory.

Flat earth was fairly easy to disprove: just keep traveling, and you'll go beyond the horizon, or built a tower tall enough, and you can see farther, even over the flat ocean. I'd love to see the problems you mention regarding the big bang. I'd also like to hear an alternative explanation to the fact that the universe is expanding, and at a decelerating rate, which also includes all the considerations for time, space, speed, and gravity, and how they play on each other (the farther you go back in time, the closer everything is, the stronger the gravity, and the slower the time moves, so essentially, you can't go back in time without time itself slowing down more and more). So far everything we have observed in the universe keeps confirming this theory.
1928  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: October 29, 2013, 04:33:37 PM
It seems you have it figured out.  Your soul escapes into the surrounding areas when it is freed from your body. 

If by "soul" you mean "infrared light," then sure, but then that soul is pretty much worthless and meaningless too.

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And yes, the energy of the universe is infinite, it has existed for ever and always will exist.

Sorry, not according to all the evidence we have, and there's tons of it.

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Consciousness interacts instantaneously no matter the distance, shall I find the quantum experiment explaining it?

You mean "quantum" quantum? Or "new age bullshit" quantum? Because even quantum theory doesn't break the speed of light.

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Matter is present in this reality, when you die you experience a brief period of absence from matter, aka infinite love aka god.

Speaking from experience? Can you test this theory to verify it?

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If there's a space where no energy or universe exists, how is there space? 

Because "space" is "nothing." There is nothing out there far away. Or more specifically, there isn't anything at all out there far away. Again, space doesn't "exist." It's just an area of that nothing that you claim can't exist, which we separate using our own abstract boudnaries (such as the outer shell of a lead sphere, or the limit beyond which light and energy has not traveled yet.)

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Nothing in the sense of emptiness, darkness etc, yes, but you (your consciousness) is still there.

Ah, but I am not there. I am not inside the hypothetical lead sphere, and no one is in the space outside our universe's expansion. So there is still nothing there.

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And please do not refute psychedelic experience as false or drug induced until you've experienced it for yourself.

Do you need to experience a car crash to know what it is like, what damage would result from it, and whether it will kill you? Or is sticking a couple of crash test dummies into a test car, crashing it, and observing and analyziing everything from the outside enough? I posit the second one is sufficient. Likewise, I don't need to take drugs to know that the chemicals some druggie takes affects his brain in some specific way, and fucks up their head with hallucinations. There's plenty of scientific experiments tracking all the effects from the outside already. We know we can dream and imagine stuff. Using drugs to do it doesn't change it from being just dreams and imagination. Sorry.

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Infinity is a hard concept to grasp.

For you, maybe...

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Try thinking beyond the grand illusions of time and space.  Imagine you're a single point, a single point doesn't have anything outside of it but everything inside.

Thinking this way would greatly oversimplify reality...
1929  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Fort Hood soldiers say Army warned them off tea party, Christian groups on: October 29, 2013, 04:21:14 PM
And we all know the differences between the two.  They are not remotely similar.  One turns the other cheek, the other massacres innocent people.

The first one also bombs abortion clinics, kills gays and transsexuals, is typically very racist and jingoistic, and it is extremely likely that, if the law wasn't there to stop them from doing it, would be perfectly happy wth stoning sinners or burning them at the stake as well. Both are quite subject to irrational mob mentality.
1930  Economy / Economics / Re: Distribution of bitcoin wealth by owner on: October 29, 2013, 04:16:19 PM
So I would estimate the current number of bitcoin users at 1,500,000 at the bare minimum, and more likely closer to 2.9 to 3.25 mil.

That was also my original estimate, but it is unrealistic because then most of the accounts would need to be too small to be bothered.

None who reads this has a small bitcoin balance, but do you even know of people who have, say, less than BTC1?

I knew at least 4 who have just BTC1. Some of them wanted to see what it was and just bought BTC1 to play around with, others got BTC1 on a paper wallet as a gift and still have it. Not sure about those who have less than 1BTC. I suspect there may be a few newbies with that amount, if they were only comfortable putting about $100 into it to start.
1931  Economy / Speculation / Re: Choo choo to the moon! on: October 29, 2013, 03:58:13 PM
bubble will pop sub 150 - the bitcoin value has risen to high too fast, a crash is inevitable, i know i won't  be the bag holder, i'm looking forward to cheaper coins

Don't be the "bag holder" of US dollars when inflation from the fed's endless QE finally hits us.


Ans how exactly do Bitcoins insulate you from that inevitability? Joined up thinking Sunshine, why don't you try some?

Because the fate of bitcoin is not tied to any man or nation.  This is it's greatest strength.

Right, but the fate of the wider economy is very much dependant on the dollar. When it collapses, all the Bitcoins in the world won't do you any good, not least because you won't even be able to power the devices on which your coins are stored as the power grid will be screwed.

LOL! You know, somehow I don''t think that places like Switzerland, Australia, Russia, Brazil, and even China will give a sh*t if the dollar falls. They have their own economies that don't depend on the dollar as much as you hope.
1932  Economy / Speculation / Re: This sounds super bullish -is there some catch? on: October 29, 2013, 03:52:33 PM
People can already move Bitcoins around on even the most basic Android smartphone, all the recipient needs to do is install the App. The fact that Bitcoins cannot currently be transacted via SMS is not what's holding it back, rather it is too unstable and accepted by so few retailers that it is of no interest to people other than the cultists.

There are now three services that let you use SMS to send and receive bitcoins. But regardless, this major problem you mention sounds like the same problem that the internet had. Remember that fad?
1933  Economy / Economics / Re: Distribution of bitcoin wealth by owner on: October 29, 2013, 03:49:14 PM
Minimum number of all users, or minimum number of users in the top brackets? Because we know we've had over 100,000 bitcoin users since Summer of 2011.

Sorry to bring up this question repeatedly:
What do we know concerning number of users (now or at any time in history)?
- Blockchain activity?
- Downloads of Bitcoin client and wallet software
- Forum accounts
- Number of users in exchanges
- Number of users in other services
- Other ways of receiving this info

We knew there were about 65,000 users on MtGox as far back as Summer of 2011. MtGox also claimed to have 25,000 new applications every month this past winter, and 50,000 new applications in March and April. Blockchain.info also recently mentioned reaching 300,000 wallets. The defunct instawaller boasted about having over 1 mil wallets, though many of those may have been throwaways. We also have a list of Bitcoin-QT downloads that  shows that this wallet has been downloaded 2.9mil times already (http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/stats/map?dates=2009-01-01+to+2013-04-30). Even if some of those were downloaded and abandoned, there are tons of users who used other services, like blockchain, electrum, multibit, or android wallets instead. So I would estimate the current number of bitcoin users at 1,500,000 at the bare minimum, and more likely closer to 2.9 to 3.25 mil.
1934  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Flying saucers: non-existent, brought here by aliens, or made in U.S.A? on: October 28, 2013, 09:00:34 PM
Read the recent Area 51 book. Apparently make iin USSR, by captured German Nazi scientists.
1935  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Fort Hood soldiers say Army warned them off tea party, Christian groups on: October 28, 2013, 08:59:43 PM
Regarding the OP, I don't like the idea of other people killing some other people in my name. BUT, the idea of religious fanatics, who are blindly convinced that what they are doing is righteous, who don't fear death because they are convinced they will go to heaven, I dislike even more.
1936  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I found a Christian I actually agree with on: October 28, 2013, 08:30:54 PM
Not too many are willing to live in barns, visit prostitutes, hold the hands of lepers, Turning the other cheek and willing to die for their belief.

Live in barns? Visit prostitutes? Hang out with lepers and turn the other cheek? That sounds like Phinneas Gage! He's even got the beard!
1937  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: October 28, 2013, 08:29:17 PM

That doesn't mean you can move energy/matter from one space to another. If I create that lead sphere and take it into the vacuum of space, I didn't destroy energy, air, or photons inside it, I just let them espace into the surrounding areas. Also, if you say that there is no such thing as nothing, that would mean the energy of the universe is infinite, and that either the universe has existed for ever, or that light travels faster than the speed of light. So that no matter how far you go, you will always have energy and matter. But we know that's now true. We know that the universe was created 13.8 billion years ago, and we know that light travels at a limited speed, so we know that there is absolutely nothing farther than 13.8 billion light years away. There is a limit boundary to the universe, and if you travel faster than the speed of light to get past that boundary, eventually you will get to a space where no matter, energy, light, or universe exists.


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What boundaries?  I used to think we lived in a box until I contemplated what was outside of the box.

How does what is outside the box change the fact that inside the box there can still be nothing?

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One cannot stop experiencing, one can only experience nothing.

If you are "experiencing" nothing, then that nothing exists, since you are experiencing it... right?
1938  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The problem with atheism. on: October 28, 2013, 05:57:37 PM
No it will still be everything, it doesn't cease to exist, it will be transferred as energy.  Let's think beyond the physical, because the physical does not exist without the internal, consciousness.  Consciousness can't be destroyed, only transferred.

Stop making shit up.

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Tell me, does space still exist even though it's nothing?

Nope. It doesn't exist. Inky thing that exists is the boundaries surrounding that nothing. Once you move beyond those boundaries, you will be the only thing existing there. Everything around you will be nothing, and not exist.

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  To experience nothing is to encounter blankness, emptiness or darkness.  It's not nothing because we can still experience it as what it is, it's just a lack of something for a better word.

It itsn't experiencing something, it's having a lack of experience. That's what nothing is - a lack of everything, including lack of anything for you to experience. It's like saying bald is a hair color.
1939  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: announcement: the international "when-bitcoin-reaches 1000,- $ party" on: October 28, 2013, 05:52:48 PM
At the risk of sounding sexist, men are interested in business finance and investing, women are interested in home finance and building a nest egg for their kids and their own retirement (those women who only spend money their husbands earn, we are not interested in anyway). So... Uh... Use that.
1940  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: October 28, 2013, 05:49:01 PM
For the other part a "kick in the ass" need that they be able to work

Running low on food is a pretty good "kick in the ass"

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otherwise they will either idle, work on state-owned enterprises few hours a day, or generate riots and violence, transforming prosperous countries into Somalia.

More likely, people will separate themselves into communities, with those who want to work living in secured areas, with security keeping out those who don't want to work, feel it's unfair that they don't have other's money, and do nothing but sit around or riot. Which is fine, as long as the choice to start contributing in some way is always open, which it should be.

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You really believe that these jobs are jobs of the future - relocating items in factory, working in fastfood restaurant, cleaning?!

No, these are the jobs of the present. No one knows what kind of jobs we will have in the future. Only that if we continue to progress economically and technologically, that there will always be something new to do. To believe otherwise is to assume that what we have now is it, and we won't have any more inventions or new things.

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Imagine instead people own shares of productive companies and live off the dividends payed out by their investments.
People will just sell these shares to buy useless stuff or entertainment. Privatization after USSR collapse is good example how it will be.

Not if they need things like food, safety and security, or long-term retirement plans.
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