Banned permanently?  Absolutely not.  But a temp ban given as a warning or simply because the rules ought to be applied fairly to all members?  Yes, if the standard punishment is indeed a temp ban for members who keep moving threads back to where the mods don't want them--and honestly, I'm not certain if that's true.

I'm not implying or stating outright that nutildah should get banned for good, because I think he's an extremely valuable member of the forum.  It's unfortunate that this escalated to where it did.

Man, I hope he thinks twice about that.  It appears to be a decision on his part based entirely on emotion, and somehow that seems out of character for him.  There's no reason to get so upset over something like this that you leave the forum completely.  Lots of members have gotten temp bans or other sanctions, and it shouldn't be taken personally if the rules are being enforced fairly.

C'mon back, nutildah!  Nobody wants you gone.  No harm, no foul--quiet your mind down and come on back.

I guess I wasn't clear: I'm not sympathetic whatsoever with OP's predicament.  And you're probably right about him being part of an alt account farm, though I'd love to see more evidence on that point before casting judgement.  But that's what account farmers and campaign/bounty participants who cheat do, right?  They buy accounts to add to their collection, with older, more ranked-up accounts commanding a premium.  If OP was an experienced account buyer or seller, though, you would think he'd be a little more savvy about sending money to someone he didn't know for an account.  Who knows?

Sheeeit, LoyceV.  This wasn't your first opportunity to do so.  This was probably your 10,000th.  Surely you can just use your imagination or go with what I wrote about the dollar signs in OP's eyes if you're really curious.  It's not likely OP is going to return to satisfy anybody's curiosity about what was going through his greasy head when he decided to buy an account from a total stranger on whatever platform that was that he used.  It had to be greed and a touch of ignorance.

To be fair, what Valak was asking in that thread isn't much different from all those "Can you make a child board for ICOs/DeFi/NFTs/etc.?" although those things are crypto-oriented and have a place in the altcoin section.  But Facebook's metaverse?  I don't know enough about it to see any connection with crypto, so I can't see why a section on it would have any place on bitcointalk. 

So my first inclination would have been to respond, not to report (though I did neither in this case).  It was a pretty dumb thread, however.  It would be like asking for a subsection for Libra right after FB announced it--it's way, way too early to be asking for a thing like that, and that's not even taking into account the fact that Theymos would most likely ignore it anyway as he has for all the other requests regarding fad tokens and scammy project thingamajigs.

Uh....I don't think that's much of an argument unless that image was actually from somewhere on the internet to begin with and not in Little Mouse's thread originally.  In addition to that, it would still be text that was copied and passed off as one's own, not necessarily just the image so it would indeed be plagiarism. 

That whole thing about not being wrong to "plagiarize" images from the web wasn't meant to be about images with a bunch of someone else's words in them IMO, though I have no idea what Theymos or the moderators think about that.  I'd think that would at least be true for someone who made an image out of someone else's post about buying/selling bitcoin (or any other post on the forum).  Makes sense, doesn't it?

Thanks for that explanation; I got the feeling from reading part of the other thread that cabalism13 had more to do with it other than just being an escrow, but that certainly doesn't excuse him from misappropriating funds.  It's the same level of wrongdoing if not worse IMO.

Are we both reading the same thread?  Stealing from a charity isn't a life circumstance that could happen to any of us, if only because not everyone will ever have control over the entire amount of money donated by others for charitable purposes.  Cabalism13 isn't going to be able to wiggle his way out of this one, but I'll be very interested to see what the other two end up saying and doing.

And his/their reputation(s) weren't ruined in a matter of days, though it may seem that way.  They were in the process of being ruined whenever the first bit of money was spent on non-charity things or sent to Binance to gamble or split up between the three members in question.  I'm sure they were hoping it would go unnoticed if they stayed quiet, because they knew a thread like this would be the result, as well as an indelible black mark smeared on their reputations.  Well, that goes for cabalism13 for now; I'll await the story from the other two.

Based on the first screenshot, I can't see how it would be any other account, as the username and password were messaged to OP--at least that's what I see.

C'mon LoyceV, you've seen people do that and worse a thousand times on bitcointalk.  When it comes to getting a Sr. Member account in the era of merits, I bet OP had big cartoon-type dollar signs in his eyes when he thought of all the money he could earn by getting ahold of one and enrolling it in a signature campaign.  I hate to ever say I like to see people get scammed, but in this case I'll just say that this was an expensive lesson for someone who was engaging in a shady practice and I'm short on sympathy for people like that.

Just for the record (and in case I didn't explicitly mention it) I did subscribe to the channel, and I think I was #7.  That post I made about 15 subscribers might have been after I'd subscribed, but I can't remember, nor is it that important.

And dang, did I really make 20 posts in this thread?  Jeez.  Didn't think it was that many, but now it's 21 and I'm very much looking forward to the next video--and I'm hoping this project hasn't been abandoned.

I don't doubt that it takes a lot of work to produce a very high quality video, but personally I'd be satisfied with fewer bells and whistles, less editing effects, and just plain more content (i.e., more videos).  I'd be OK with them not being so "produced" like many professional Youtubers' videos are.

I don't know what "big guys" you're talking about, but I was hoping there would be some kind of spotlight on the more prominent members at some point, because as far as I know it is supposed to be a channel about the forum and not about bitcoin-related stuff necessarily.

Have you got any hard data on that claim?  I'm pretty sure interest in crypto has grown and continues to grow, but I just don't think people are choosing crypto over fiat if you know what I mean.  They're using crypto to speculate or invest in rather than using it as a substitute for their bank cards/cash/fiat/etc.  And if you look at all the threads on this forum, there are very few that talk about places where you can spend bitcoin or altcoins--everything is about prices and speculation.

I'm also not sure that people are abandoning banks at all.  Most people are still tied to the banking system in one way or another, and it's very hard for most people to see that there's even a problem with the system, much less look for an alternative to it.

Not many, but that doesn't mean crypto is the only alternative.  Many people invest in stocks, metals, real estate, and other things instead of holding cash.

OP, may I suggest that you not write posts here as if you were texting someone?  What you wrote is very difficult to read, and if you're trying to engage members in discussion, have enough respect for them to write out your thoughts coherently.  Not sure if you're ever going to want to join a campaign or bounty (though you already got negged for trolling), but good writing skills come in handy for those.

As far as Facebook's metaverse goes, I couldn't care less about that shit and don't see how it applies to a discussion on economics.

Now that's just a retarded statement to make.  I've heard of Earth2 via Youtube, and people buying up plots of virtual land is about as idiotic as it gets.  It's an excellent example of the greater fool theory, because there's nothing of real value in those plots.  As soon as the music stops, anyone owning them is going to be stuck with digital garbage that they can't unload at any price.

I don't even know what all that has to do with the title of this thread, though I saw you mention borrowing.  Not even going to comment on that, because this thread isn't worth it.  If you're going to be a member here, do more reading and less writing.

I doubt it's a popularity factor, since I don't think Singapore has a more trusted crypto exchange than Binance (but someone please correct me if I'm wrong on that point).  And I'm not sure about how strict Binance is/was being regulated in that country, but I can't imagine they'd shutter their doors if it wasn't because of regulators giving them a hard time.

There's this fog of mystery when it comes to crypto exchanges and where they're allowed to operate and what the laws are exactly--at least in my mind.  For example, Binance isn't available in my state in the US, yet I could never find any laws on the books that said it was illegal for them to provide their services here.  Same thing goes for ShapeShift and the various companies Ledger partnered with; they're also not allowed in my state, and it's very odd.

This news seems a bit ominous to me, but I'm going to try to stay optimistic that Binance and other exchanges won't start going out of business one country at a time.

Yeah, and it was inevitable that what you listed would happen.  Not everyone here cares about the merit system, and I doubt Theymos expected everyone was going to.  So yeah, merit sources are a necessity to keep the whole machine greased and operating smoothly--and obviously Theymos was very forward-looking in having members volunteer to be sources.

I've got no problem with those so-called merit hodlers.  Everyone's got their own opinion of the system and no one is required to participate in it, so I wouldn't be quick to lay a guilt trip on them.  Just my opinion.

Eh, yeah--exactly.  

I know this isn't my fight and I wasn't a donator, but how was it that these three members were chosen as escrow agents?  I don't know the full story behind this charity, as I haven't read that other thread yet (just due to personal time constraints).  If someone could give a brief TL;DR history of this apparent debacle, I'd be greatly appreciative.

Also, if cabalism13 used charity funds for his grandfather's medications (or so he says), I can pretty much guarantee you it didn't end there--if it even started there in the first place.  Once someone has crossed a boundary like that it gets so much easier to do it repeatedly.  And if there weren't receipts kept....well, it's not hard to put two and two together here.  

I'm also wondering when exactly any of these members were going to give an accounting of the funds and their activities if yahoo62278 hadn't pushed them to.

OP, are you familiar with who Rober Kiyosaki is?  If you were, you would know his statements about buying gold and whatever else are complete bullshit.  He's been saying the same thing over and over for years, and the fact is that he's a permabull on certain asset classes (like gold and silver).  And these kinds of predictions are being--and have been--made by the likes of him and Mike Maloney and Peter Schiff constantly. 

Just like the media and government, they want you to be living in economic fear or fear in general.  That makes it much easier to manipulate you to do things such as buying metals (in the case of Kiyosaki).  Don't fall for this crap, and my advice would be to just ignore him and others of his ilk.

I keep hearing mixed stories in the media about employment, jobs, and so forth.  On one hand they're saying that tons of people are choosing not to work for a variety of reasons, COVID being one of the big ones.  On the other, we get stories like this, which I'm not sure how to interpret.

Something tells me that new college grads in the US are probably choosing not to enter the workforce rather than jobs being unavailable, because there are a lot of open positions all throughout the country, and employers are often desperate to find help.  Those grads might not be finding jobs in areas related to their major, but they certainly could be employed if they wanted to.

I also think a lot of young folks are opting to do things like content creation on Youtube or other online work.  When it's seemingly so easy to become an internet celebrity on Youtube (and make decent money), why wouldn't a young person with some AV equipment give it a shot?  I'm sure most college grads aren't doing that, but I'm sure there's a non-negligible percentage of them that are, and they're thus not showing up in statistics like those reported in the OP.

So ultimately I think this is an article tailored to instill fear or some other sentiment in the minds of CNBC's readership.  Isn't that what most media outlets aim for?

So you and the shitty escrow crew thought you could try to time the market with donated charity funds and do what, exactly?  Make more money in a market that's as volatile as any I've ever seen?  Are you out of your fucking mind?

Oh hell no, that wasn't your only mistake:

Your bank?  This was donated bitcoin if I'm reading this whole thing correctly, so what does your bank have to do with any of that?

An escrow (especially for a charity) is NEVER supposed to use donated funds, not even if your grandfather is dying.  Those funds are supposed to be untouched.  Do none of you understand that?  Apparently you don't, and I don't care about the sob story, because we've all heard that excuse a million times on this forum. 

Also, there's nobody who could possibly give you permission to use donated funds for personal reasons.  Nobody except the donors collectively, and I'm pretty sure that wasn't your Filipino community, which has jack shit to do with any of this.

Yeah, your conscience is clear and you can sleep like a baby.  I'd like to hear what the tally is of the funds you end up returning.

I hate to even write this, but I'm almost ready to start a betting pool as to whether something shady went down, and I'd take the side that something indeed did.  You're being very optimistic in the face of evidence being presented that a pool of donation money was split up between three members for some reason and possibly used to speculate with altcoins on Binance, which is exactly what you're doing when you deposit funds on an exchange to stake something.  Suppose the value of those coins plummets.  How do you think the donators would feel about that?  

This is a lot of money we're talking about, and given everything that's been presented--along with yahoo62278's own concern that he expressed in his conversation with cabalism13--I seriously think temptation got the best of one or more of this trio.  I don't know any of them personally, though I'm very familiar with their usernames and they've all got positive reputations.  That doesn't mean someone can't be corrupted by temptation.  

Remember Master-P?

Is this even a topic for Meta?  These seem like questions that keep getting asked over and over in sections like Bitcoin Discussion (and probably B&H), especially the "This or That?" kind of stuff.  And I think I've written about my path to becoming a member of bitcointalk at least three times since I've been here, so I'm going to skip it. 

OP, you might want to dig a little deeper into Meta or some other sections and read about the questions you've asked of the community here.  I'm not telling you to shut up and stop posting, but I think you'd find some interesting reading if you go back a few years in some of the better sections here.  In fact, I'd recommend that to anyone who hasn't done so; bitcointalk has changed a lot since its inception, and looking at the old threads and posts is fascinating stuff.

And I'd say most people here for money, not knowledge, but it's not a two-choice question anyway.  Some people are here just to interact with other members, some are here to troll.  If you think of things in black-and-white terms without considering all the possibilities, you're not using your noggin.

This sounds like a complete clusterfuck if you want my honest opinion.  First of all, there should have been plans in place for what was to be done with the donated funds before receiving any donations, and that thread you linked to is over a year and half after the charity fund was started--but correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, cabalism13 is basically asking whether the donations should be played with by converting BTC-->whatever and trying to time the market.  That's tantamount to gambling with other people's kind gestures, and that isn't right.

If funds were really transferred to Binance in order to stake coins, that's another colossal fuckup IMO.  I don't know if that happened or not, but it does appear there's evidence of it.  That's another example of gambling with charity funds, and that shouldn't be done.  And why would the funds be split up?  I don't get that part at all.

In other words, to the last part of you post above, I'd say yahoo62278 is on the edge of making some serious accusations--I hope I'm wrong, but this whole thing smells kinda funny to me.

Seriously--and once people wake up and realize that NFTs are complete garbage and a fad and are worthless digital collectibles that are nowhere near as valuable as real art that artists painted on a real canvas the market for these things is going to crash--and crash hard.

I'm telling you, the emperor has no clothes on.  NFT lovers can't see that fact, but nevertheless it is true.  It's very easy to get blinded by hype, yet it happens to people repeatedly.

As to having a dedicated subsection:
1) It's been discussed before, as noted by Lafu.  
2) They're tokens, as noted by Lafu.  
3) ICOs, Defi, and some other crypto hot topics of the moment never got subsections of their own, so don't hold your breath for NFTs getting one.

Now you can lock the thread, OP.

Ah, as usual I didn't read the whole thread before posting, and you listed some of the crypto stuff I'd forgotten about--but that's exactly what I'm talking about.  NFTs are the movie of the week as far as I'm concerned, and they'll be forgotten in a year or less.  Maybe more if people remain insane.

I'm reluctant to jump on the negative trust bandwagon based on a single complaint by you, and I'm still reluctant even with what you wrote above--and I'm not convinced yet that 4444sport is actually AdkinsBET, because I haven't seen any hard evidence, only similarities between the two (though if I had to guess, I'd have to say they're one and the same just based on the fact that I've seen that pattern of behavior before with scamming sites).  Should there be any more complaints about these guys, I'll be happy to support the flag and give them a red paint job.

Was there any communication between younger41 and 4444sport about the delay of his funds being returned or did they completely ignore him?

That's a secondary problem, IMO, but a real one.  Unfortunately scams have always been tolerated here by Theymos (and by extension, the moderators).  It'd be great if self-moderated threads weren't allowed in the gambling section, but I wouldn't get my hopes up about that being changed.  I think they're not allowed in the Auctions and/or Currency Exchange section(s), so it is kind of odd that a scammer could moderate his own thread in any section that allows an ANN.

That's an odd thread.  They don't say when the contest is going to end or when the winner will be paid or even if the winner will be announced (which they haven't been so far).  That does add to the growing pile of evidence in my head that this outfit is a scammy one.

Do you have evidence of that?  Did you start a scam accusation thread?  If you do, please post it.  I'm itching to neg these guys, and one more claim of nonpayment will put me over the edge.

Oh, I think it's entirely appropriate to crib about how the forum is.  It's a two-way street, isn't it?  Without the community there would be no forum, and without the forum there would be no community.  In addition to that, there is a DT list which presumably is a group of members whose trust and perhaps even opinions are valued by Theymos and the community, so shouldn't they have at least a little input as to changes they think should be made?  Hell, I think even non-DT members ought to have a say--and to be heard.