This is the best place to start: https://www.moneypot.com/faq#last  as all good strategies revolve around this bonus

No, I'm not sure why you'd think that =) The site has been, is and always will be fair. However that doesn't imply that players will always win (or lose). Also in the last couple of days, the site profits have fallen at least 10 BTC or so, so at least some people are winning =)


It definitely happens, but it's hard to pin down the issue or where it lies. I recommend using wired internet connections, and highly advise betting with the autocashout to eliminate any latency like issues. That said, it does seems quite responsive to me.


The username definitely does exist, and the system isn't seeming to have any problems finding it. Make sure to use an 0 not an O, as they're not the same thing. If you're still having issues, please use the support and I'll get back to you ASAP.

I think oldmate pays people to write the reviews, and bumblebee is the author of said review

I'm sure there are lots of people who would be willing to help you out on this one. You could even run it as a promotion, giving free bits out to people who find mistakes or clean up the language.


As an example, some of the English is very jilted and comes across rather poorly:

Yeah, since everyone plays the same game the casino's variance can be pretty hash. Both on me, and on the players. Players always joke about getting raped by the site, but the funny thing is in the periods they're not getting raped it's pretty likely I am =)

If the refund includes the gambling loses, I'll happily buy

Interestingly their footer has snippets of what appears to be Bulgarian:



but if legitimate it looks like a very useful service

For the OP, I generated two sets of data:

one and two.


Win represents doubling your money, lose represents losing your bet. One of these data sets was generated perfectly fairly, with a house edge is 1%. The other data set is generated from a "rigged" distribution, where the casino wins twice as much as it should! Can you spot the fair and rigged one?

If you can't easily eyeball the difference, you should reconsider if you can tell if a site is fair or not without the use of statistical tools and/or checking it's provably fair scheme =)

I believe you misunderstood my point. PD has done its part by making the site provably fair, now the onus is on you to catch them cheating.



This is a weird line of reasoning.

I'm sure you mean well, but you can't trust yourself. The brain is deceiving and notoriously bad at this sort of stuff. It sees patterns were there are none, and misses the statistically blindingly obvious things. You need to do some real statistical analysis before you can rule either way.

Do yourself (and PD) a favor, and dig into the technical details of the provably fair scheme and try prove they are cheating. If you can't prove they're cheating, they're probably honest.

A provably fair system does not make it impossible for the casino to cheat, rather it makes it impossible for the casino to undetectably cheat.

I believe the distinction is worth emphasising, as so few people actually take the steps to properly verify their games and are be vulnerable to a casino specifically targeting them. DiceBitcoin seems to be an example of a provably fair casino that specifically targeted certain players in a stupid manner, and thankfully was caught.


@OP, the site already gives you the tools to verify if they are cheating or not. Before you gamble,  record the server seed hash, set your own client seed and then start gambling. Now you have enough information to recreate the dice outcomes. If they're cheating, you now have the means to detect it.


Just the other day, I was experimenting a little on vault with some play money, and busted. I refilled my balance and tried again, and somehow amazingly worked my balance to 20,000x my original deposit! I was completely convinced I messed something up, but after hours of simulation and debugging I'm convinced I just happened to be extremely lucky. Crazy hard to believe streaks do happen, and the more you play the more likely you'll experience some.

Yeah, the max bet has been 1 BTC for quite a while now. Due to the problems and confusion when I increased it, the normal strategy has a: "Stop if bet is > ____ bits"

and the custom strategy has:

which prints:

I've seen people accidentally use uuid.v1() before (not scrolling down the page enough to see v4).



Or possibly, anyone playing with revealed server seed had a disabled withdraw/tip, so just decided to put on one last show

I'm really loving the site.

Although there appears to be issues with lots of the stats collection:

Crypto-Games is getting parsed wrong (it seems to interpret 175.33 as 17,533). The Fortune Jack stats definitely have problems too (negative wagered is not possible, and those spikes are unrealistic). mydice.co also has a similar problems as fortune jack. In their site they advertise a total of 50 BTC wagered, but your stats show 173 in the last day.

You also might want to reset the stats on bitdice.me to when they restarted their stats as the charts aren't very readable the way it is =)

The site is down, but it was a cool provably fair verifier for MP. It would monitor and log each game in real-time and verify its correctness. This is something Steve's bot (Shiba) does as well, but it doesn't show a nice UI.

One nice thing about the MP provably fair scheme, is you can batch verify games. If you use my script from: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=709185.msg10378591#msg10378591 it's pretty easy to do yourself actually. Just type in the hash, and less the output making sure it matches what you saw in game.

Because in most casino games the edge is based on what you wager. This means your expect loss is purely based on what you wager (most dice sites, its 1% of wagered amount).  But they allow you to configure your payout, and offer the same house edge on all payouts, so you can easily take advantage of this by minimizing the amount you wager.

Dooglus and Blockage provide very advanced betting sequences to minimize this a huge amount, but you can reason about it much easier if you imagine a simple 2-bet sequence:

Bet 0.5 at 3x .... if you win, stop. You won the 1 BTC! Otherwise bet the other 0.5 at 4x.  Now you either lost your entire bitcoin, or won an entire bitcoin.  However, in some cases you only wagered 0.5 BTC (and stopped early), so the "average wagered" is much less than 1 BTC. In fact, it should be about 0.835 BTC. Which means instead of an expected loss of 0.01 BTC, it is now only 0.00835.

And that, children, is how we lower the house edge on a fixed edge game.  


As an interesting side note, Money Pot house edge works very differently and is far more fair to people who don't use advanced maths and bots to fragment their bets. (Where it's proportional to how much you are attempting to win, as opposed to how much you wager)

Yeah, you just need to go back, and refresh the withdrawal page. By refreshing the page, you get a new withdrawal-token (which can only be used once). It's a system designed to stop people accidentally double-withdrawing, but has an absolutely awful error. I created an issue and will fix that

It's been about 8 months actually, you can see the first game.



Glad you enjoy. Yes, we've never missed a payment nor ever intend to =)

Yeah, he was pretty lucky with that one. He played something like 22k (?) games before getting that 50k multiplier. However, in general it's not the most profitable strategy as it tends os just subsidize other players by filling the bonus pot.

The (full) source code of Money Pot is available free of charge if you're interested, the only thing we ask is that you make any changes you make available under the same terms you go the code.    I'm also happy to provide specific support on the money chat.

However, unless you are planning on making some changes or customizations it's probably going to be extremely difficult attracting customers. A few people have setup clones that went no where, with the exception of to the moon which looked fantastic, and seemed to do well before shutting down for legal concerns (and suboptimal public relations).

In the coming weeks, we'll be releasing our latest project which will vastly simplify the process of creating a bitcoin casino and come with some skeleton games. It's a great time to be getting into the business, but still quite a large challenge unless you are technically proficient and can work with a bit of code.

Sorry about that, absolutely terrible error page! However, withdrawals should be working. Can you go back to the withdrawal page, refresh and do it again. That error happens on the second submit to the withdrawal, when the one-time-use-token is not available or already been used. You need to actually refresh the withdrawal page, so it gets a new one-time-token from the server. It was to prevent people double submitting withdrawals (and/or making two withdrawals and claiming it was an accident and wanting a refund one of them). I'll clean the whole thing up today =)