Your debunking has been debunked. Do you know how we know that your debunking has been debunked? By the fact that you can't explain anything of your so-called debunking in such a way that would show that you know what you are talking about. Since you don't know what you are talking about (as exampled by your inability to explain any of it), you also don't know that there is anything to debunk.

You are operating from a standpoint of ignorant blab. It is your religion, since you like it that way. When are you going to step out of your dumb religion, into the religion that produces good health?

But remember the little word (if) in your statement.

IF it were a completely known fact that God Himself told me to do anything, I would do it. IF it were a completely known fact that any of His commands were for me and not for other people, I would follow them.

Since you are so extremely corrupted in your ways, you turn you back on the whole idea of the existence of God, although I have shown you much of the proof of God's existence.

It is you who are helping to kill homosexual people. How? Simply by encouraging them to continue to remain in their homosexuality, to their own damnation in Hell. It will go far worse for you than for them.

God directs the results that happen to us because of our faith, faithfully. What I mean is, our faith is so weak that it can't do any more than be in favor of God or against Him. God perfectly looks at our faith, and makes the things happen that our faith would have done if it were strong enough.

Your first question should be, Does anybody lose faith in God? After all, to have faith that is against God still recognizes that He exists.

Environment has nothing to do with your faith. It might have a lot to do with how you display your faith.

We're hoping to still have it going when He returns.   

God says it is wrong. So it is wrong no matter the reason. You figure it out.

Since we know that children reason, and since we know that even little children have emotion, IQ, and faith, we clearly know that faith exists at a young age. Where does faith start? 10 years old? 9? 8? 3? 1? 1 month? 1 minute before birth? 10 minutes before birth? 10 days before birth? A month before birth? 5 months before birth? Before conception?

Show us the proof that conception itself is NOT a thing of faith. What? Somebody has some idea that a fetus is not a person at what age? Arbitrary thinking. Same with faith.

The same example that fits evolution fits faith in people. The wood carver carves a log into a chair. He chips a little chunk of wood off the log. Is the log now the chair? How about the second chip? Or the third. How about the third last chip? At what point does the log become the chair? At what point is an evolving animal the new animal and not the old? At what point is the faith strongest?

Matthew 19:14:It seems that faith is stronger in the younger.

The universe is the most complex machine made, up of many machines. Never in nature do you find less of an IQ mind developing the greater machines. Mankind with emotion, mind, and IQ way above animals develops great machines. The only example we see in the universe is machines being made by intelligence. That's all there is. God made the universe machine. No other example.

You forgot to read what I said. Homosexual sex is wrong. Heterosexual sex between married people is almost required by God. Why do you continue to defy God, the Maker and Designer of the universe?

Since even science agrees with what I said, why are you so against science? And on what do you base your supposed logic? Certainly you are not a religious person, are you?

Why should I response to something you say again, since I have responded over and over in other posts, but you simply ignore my response?

There is absolutely 0 evidence that we do not have faith in the womb. When do we start to have faith in things? You don't know that you will make it to work this morning, because you don't know for a fact that some terrorist bomber won't suicide himself within 3 feet from you. Some of the reason you go to work anyway is that you have faith and hope that nothing bad will happen to you.

When did your faith first start? Did it first start yesterday? The day before? When you were 5-y-o? When you were 3? When you were 1 minute old? Possibly before you were conceived?

You don't make any sense. Your faith was always in existence, at least since you were conceived. Nobody has any evidence to oppose this. And the fact that you have faith now, shows that you have had faith ever since before you started to think about it. When did it start for you?

God directs the things that happen to you according to your faith in Him, and His plan for you. That's why you don't even have full control over your faith, not because God makes your faith what it is. If your faith in Him grows weaker, it is because you directed God to weaken it, by not having strong faith in Him in the first place, or maybe by direct faith request that God do so.

Is there anything other than direct God-studies that you didn't study? I mean, did you study everything about everything that is known about, but not about God?

If you really studied physics, you know that Newton's 3rd Law is recognized, and that there is noting that has proven to overcome it so far. So, for every action there is a reaction. That is exactly what cause and effect is.

Remember. We know that all material is really energy acting upon itself at the atomic and subatomic levels. So, it is energy that is acting in accord with cause and effect.

Now, consider all the complex actions and reactions that have to exist, just to make a chunk of lead hold a place in the universe. Next, combine the complexities of C&E with everything else in the universe, all at the same time. This is all standard basic physics, C&E in everything. The complexities involved are great, way beyond understanding. That they can exist is impossible in the organized fashion in which they exist, as far as anything that we understand. In other words, this whole universe is impossible, except for the fact that it exists.

If there were only inanimate objects in the universe, we could guess that there might have been an inanimate beginning. But since there is life, and emotion, and mind, and reason, all in the greatness that you find such things in mankind, there has to be a mind of God, as well. People can say "no" to God all they want, but all they are doing when they say such, is saying that the universe is impossible to exist as it does.

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These two clowns know one thing: "Bible is God inspired, we need to defend it no matter how silly we look."

There are many examples of Bronze Age silliness in that book, homosexuality is just one example.

Do you remember the one with two guys fighting and the wife of one of the guys touches the other guy's junk?  The punishment for her is to cut off her hand.  She was just trying to help her husband, but no, God knows better LOL

This whole book is a joke, and these two imbeciles are trying to defend something that cannot be defended unless you go back in time.

Again, it is not the homosexual nature or tendencies that are the sin, although they show the sinful nature in us all. Rather, it is doing the homosexual acts that are the sin.

You still haven't answered the fact that since God made everything, and since He knows all about it better than anybody, and since He owns it all, homosexuality is wrong simply because God said it is wrong. It doesn't need a reason other than God said it.

I don't agree that the Bible is wrong. Many of the rules listed in Exodus for example seem dated. Not many people own oxen for example. However, almost any legal code becomes dated in its specifics. The issue is the values and teaching we can derive from the law. The depth reveals itself on deeper reflection

“Things that at first appear irrelevant, primitive, or even immoral turn out to be important and often great moral leaps forward.” -Dennis Prager - The Rational Bible--Exodus


Being infertile is not a sin, deliberately making yourself infertal via castration or chemical sterilization because it makes you happy is.

Severe depression is not a sin. Committing suicide because you are depressed is.

Pathological dislike of your weight is not a sin. Starving yourself with aneorexia is.

Now do you see how that works?


Unless you have a very good reason for choosing extinction over life such as being the carrier of a horrible and untreatable genetic disease then yes your behavior is irrational and not compatible with sustained existence. You should seek to explore the beliefs led you to embrace death over life and change them.


Yes this seems to be the progression of your thought process. First a small error in denial of the reality of a single sin with subsequent extrapolation to ever larger errors until you end up arguing that your genetic death is a great thing because it makes you happy.

Sin is a bad idea or harmful deed something that leads to undesirable things happening to you. At a deeper level sin is not just a harmful deed, but a harmful deed that disrupts ones "life" with life defined as synonymous with ones connection to God. Sin is a disruption of this connection and thus sin is death. Sin is also folly for it is ultimately irrational to consciously choose self harm and death over life and self preservation. Finally sin is an opportunity to recognize our failings and understand the negative consequences of harmful deeds. Thus sin is also an opportunity to redeem ourselves by refining our nature and rejecting the sin.

Acting on male homosexual desires meets all of the criteria of sin. Thus it is sin. There are lots of sins. Homosexuality does not even make the top 10. It's minor league sin.

Is that what you really think? If you think that this is about winning and losing, you not only stepped out of the discussion long ago, but by doing so, you have agreed that you don't understand the things that you are talking about.

Many religions have so-called gods that do things without reason. The God of the universe has set down laws within the Bible that make total sense, and that are to be fully obeyed. The fact that God is patient with lawbreakers, shows His great love for people, since He is giving them a chance to change their wicked ways.

That's is a challenging question. Clearly homosexuality is a tragic condition the mismatch of desire with biological reality that is to some degree inherent.

Equally clear is that the response of society to this condition should be to try and help people who have it especially males as they appear to be by far the most damaged by it.

Why do you think it is not "bad"? It is definitely biologically harmful to the males who are unlucky enough to have it. Research on the condition indicates that it varies in severity. Some suffer from an extreme variant that makes functional reproductive activity inconceivable. Others have a milder variant where they have some greater or lesser degree of choice.

The condition can thus be looked at as a disability that is partially inherent and partially transmissible to susceptible individuals.

That ultimately is the argument of Oxford professor of philosophy Richard Swinburne.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373864.msg37626428#msg37626428

I see no logical flaws in his reasoning.

The issue would be less problematic if those with this tragic condition made every effort not to spread it to others who are vulnerable but not destined to it. Sadly the opposite situation appears to be the case.

One in 10 male, same-sex Craigslist ads seek men who don't identify as gay
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-03/cums-oit032414.php