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241  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: July 22, 2014, 11:23:59 PM
until released open-source, it is vaporware.

It has been open source the whole time. The ongoing work can be tracked on github.


sorry, i didn't realize it was in the master already.

It's not in master, I'm working on it with tewinget. Unfortunately, because of the way the code was originally written, it requires a massive refactor of the consensus code for block acceptance/storage/reorganization and so is going to take a little while.

https://github.com/tewinget/bitmonero/tree/blockchain
242  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: July 22, 2014, 07:27:23 PM
It had world's slowest AES implementation in git for a month, before someone bothered to add AES-NI support.
Why did you not have AES-NI from day one?

None of the current members of the core team had anything to do with the initial reference code or the cryptocurrency's inception.
243  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: July 22, 2014, 07:23:27 PM
This said, the blockchain will grow larger than bitcoin one, by a linear factor. Price to "pay" for unlinkability and untraceability.

For now.  I'm pretty sure there will be a much smaller chain with adapted cryptonote before too long.


Chain is going to be larger for this one, probably some 5-20x larger than that of Bitcoin's. That being said, that means maybe hundreds of GB at worst in a few years, which isn't an impossible tradeoff (for now) with privacy.

There are a lot of propositions for means to reduce the size of the blockchain, and we're reviewing them all carefully.
244  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: July 18, 2014, 03:08:29 PM
This is not regulation only for btc but for all "virtual" currencies.  It applies not only to btc exchanges but to the alt exchanges as well.  Yes this is NYS regulation (for now) but never the less it will have significant and immediate impact far beyond NY.

2-way peg will turn every current blockchain into a sidechain of Bitcoin and vice versa, and will enable totally decentralized trading. It'll be interesting to see what the regulators think of that.

Of course, anyone mining blocks is essentially already acting as a handler of money for a third party mining blocks too. The legacy banking system is really struggling with this.
245  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: July 17, 2014, 02:12:39 PM
Zoidberg put together a starting presentation about the improvements Boolberry has made to transaction anonymity:

http://www.slideshare.net/boolberry/boolberry-solves-cryptonoteflaws-37055246

It's nice - I hadn't quite grasped it well before, and this made the issue much more clear.

Monero devs already made those improvements. See the below quote.


It refers to a well known privacy issue on CN coins. We've had a fix for this in the development for weeks now after corresponding with a Bitcoin core devs that should be more effective than the solution for Boolberry, we're just waiting until the core of the software is more mature before we roll it out.

Just curious, can you(or someone) point me where exactly in sources did they fix it ?
May be i miss something, but as i konw they have the same core as bytecoin and didn't made a hardfork yet.

See last few replies -- celestio misspoke.

Ok.
So, you going to make hard-fork in XMR to fix this ?

We may simply softfork as we will likely go with a different solution than for Boolberry. However, there are other faulty components of cryptonote that will likely later require a hard fork.
246  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero Economy on: July 16, 2014, 09:13:42 PM
Has a subsidized draw been considered?  A minimum block reward paid when the fees cannot meet that minimum?  This could be a flexible way to allow the health of the economy and value of the currency have at least partial determination over the inflation.  Perhaps this is exactly what has been discussed and if so forgive me as I am getting up to speed.

This is similar to adaptive block sizing, which applies a penalty for generating blocks over the median size. The cost of the penalty is supposed to be mitigated by the value of the fees. My opinion is that this will not work well.

Such a mechanism doesn't work for this reason: miners generate their own blocks and include whatever tx they choose too, however the smaller the block, the less likely it is to ever be orphaned. If there was an overlay PoS network (like for MC2) you could try and enforce tx being included into blocks even at some level of reward penalty, but naturally miners will just include as many high fee transactions as possible without destroying any of their reward. Such a method of securing a blockchain is highly experimental and may not work for other incentives reasons (that's for the MC2 thread). As PoW stands now, miners are free to manipulate the transaction volume/fees volume in the network as they desire, and so subsidy penalties will not really work.
247  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero Economy on: July 16, 2014, 09:00:56 PM
How much is required to secure the chain?

Also - have we discussed the theoretical issue of levying fees for balances, since it's mainly the security of balances we need to protect, and not so much the security of transactions. (The easiest way to levy a fee on balance is naturally the creation of new coins, diluting all balances).

The quantity required is an open question, and it depends on the value of 1 XMR in 10 years time. If 1 XMR is $10k USD, then 0.1 could be very attractive. If it ends up at $10 USD, it will be very unattractive, but then the price of fees will be low so transacting on the network will be cheap and can be used to pay the miners if sufficient volume occurs. If the price of fees is high ($10k USD per 1 XMR), then a small subsidy like that will likely be essential in keeping the chain secure in my mind. Without a secure blockchain, the entire system will fall apart.

In regards to the second question, the other way to do so is FreiCoin's system, which over time destroys the balance of all accounts equally through demurrage. The FreiCoin devs insist that this is totally different from inflation, but I haven't been able to follow that argument (and it diverges into a lot of economics I'm not well versed in).

One thing we can do is make an official merged mined currency alongside Monero with exponential inflation, to provide a fiat-like adjunct that can one day be traded in a decentralized manner with a two-way peg.
248  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero Economy on: July 16, 2014, 08:49:11 PM
Okay. Are there other proposals that enjoy any support with the devs?

That I'm not sure. Johnny Mnemonic proposed exponential inflation, which I think was ill received as a lot of people think it'll turn Monero into the next FreiCoin.
249  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero Economy on: July 16, 2014, 08:46:44 PM
[perpetual debasement] Can somebody summarize the proposals that have gained enough support to have a chance to be implemented?

Debasement as above is non-perpetual; over time the inflation rate goes to zero slowly with a fixed subsidy. For instance, at year 11 annual inflation is 0.335774683775%, while at year 20 it is 0.325925311615%.
250  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: --* Monero Community Hall of Fame *-- on: July 16, 2014, 08:45:12 PM
Finally!
How do we see the balance of the donation addy, or verify donations by posting keys?

XMR:
Code:
46BeWrHpwXmHDpDEUmZBWZfoQpdc6HaERCNmx1pEYL2rAcuwufPN9rXHHtyUA4QVy66qeFQkn6sfK8a HYjA3jk3o1Bv16em
viewkey: e422831985c9205238ef84daf6805526c14d96fd7b059fe68c7ab98e495e5703

We're working on adding this feature now. We need to do a couple things to make it verifiable by any given person cryptographically (the wallet needs to support a view-only mode given view keys, and we need to sign key images from one-time use private keys if we spent with ring signatures to show that they were actually spent).
251  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero Economy on: July 16, 2014, 08:41:54 PM

My take:  XMR needs to bootstrap.  It can't bootstrap if no one will take it.  If it is inflationary, no one will take it.  The only way to get people to accept an inflationary currency is to hold a gun to their head.  Crypto has no guns.


I could not agree with this statement more.  It is just another way the black swan of cryptocurrency is blowing up the way we understand finance.  Folks keep trying to appy the limitations of current systems to this new one.

I am curious what your thresholds are for it being inflationary/deflationary/stable.

The issues are two-fold:
1) It seems unlikely that fees will properly secure the blockchain a long time into the future. There have been numerous comments from the core devs (eg Peter Todd) and academics at Microsoft about this.
2) Any blockchain that has logarithmic decay for subsidy will eventually face persistent and random deflation when coins are lost, causing wild speculatory price fluctuations.

Tiny inflation (0.1 XMR at year 10 as I have proposed) that tends to zero slowly as time goes on probably alleviates both, so I don't see why it's so controversial.
252  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 16, 2014, 07:33:01 PM

It refers to a well known privacy issue on CN coins. We've had a fix for this in the development for weeks now after corresponding with a Bitcoin core devs that should be more effective than the solution for Boolberry, we're just waiting until the core of the software is more mature before we roll it out.
253  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 15, 2014, 10:04:45 PM
Ok so im reading the mini blockchain whitepaper. It appears to be a marginal improvement in some ways but it doesnt address the fundemental difficulty in scaling blockchains. The scalability problem doesn’t have anything to do with the size of the blockchain. It comes from the fact that each actor's transactions must be verified by all other network participants. Its the same math as network effects, except its a negative network effect.

Suppose actors make 1 transaction per minute.

1 actors = 0 verifications because he doesnt need to verify his own transactions.
2 actors = 2 transactions per minute. 2 * 2 actors = 4 transactions verifications. They dont need to verify their own so 4 - 2 = 2.  
3 actors = 3 transactions per minute. 3 * 3 = 9 verifications. they dont need to verify their own so 9 - 3 = 6.
4 actors = (4*4)-4=12
5 actors = (5*5)-5=20
ect...

0,2,6,12,20,30,42,56,72

This very quickly gets out of hand when you consider that there is a cost associated with verifying a transaction. even if that cost is infinitesimal.

Maybe the miniblockchain addresses this criticism and I just missed it though.

I've been perpetually confused as to how the finite miniblockchain scheme can possibly be used to enforce data consensus in a byzantine generals problem-like network. I'd appreciate it if someone could ELI5 it to me.
254  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 13, 2014, 05:03:56 PM
Monero had more of an instamine than Boolberry, just see http://monerochain.info/charts/difficulty. Claymore likely mined with his GPU miner before he released it with a 5% fee. cbuchner1 also has mined Monero with a private gpu miner on EC2.

There was no instamine;
http://monerochain.info/charts/coins

Instamine implies massive inflation in the beginning where a small group of individuals gets all the coins. Inflation is still so high that anyone is welcome to bring miners on the network and get paid large amounts of XMR.
255  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / The growth end is nigh, or the boom is coming? on: July 11, 2014, 01:05:06 AM
This is a fun forum to post in, especially when everything seems dire to everyone.

My units will become unprofitable to run by November of 2014 at 15 cents/W at current levels of exponential hash rate growth.  They get about 1.2 W/GH/s, which isn't that inefficient.

If you're using more efficient hardware, you maybe have miners with 0.5 W/GH/s and electricity at 15 c/W. Your profitability ends in February 2015.

Best case, you have 0.5 W/GH/s and electricity at 5 c/W. Your profitability ends in May 2015.

The last time this happened, everyone started spelling gloom and doom for Bitcoin mining, that mining units would never return on fiat, etc etc, and the market bounced back and suddenly Bitcoin mining was once again profitable.

The other situation could be that hash rate growth will stop because it is unprofitable, and the difficulty with begin tanking, and everyone will start offloading mining hardware (which is what happened with GPUs in 2011-2012). This works if price falls or remains stable.
256  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: July 10, 2014, 11:34:47 PM
Has anyone outside of US received a letter from the bankruptcy court regarding the proceedings?

I have not received any so faf although I submitted the creditor's form.
Yes, I've gotten two.
257  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: July 10, 2014, 08:44:50 PM
Most of the current growth is due to empty one-minute blocks, which is not inherent in the design at all, and can (and probably should) be changed to a slower block target. For example, as I write this 5 out of the previous 6 blocks are all empty:
If all blocks were empty and the average block size was 350 bytes, that amounts to just 500 kb a day from blocks. If it were 2 min block time, that's 250 kb. That's not a big difference, and I don't think much to worry about.

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Very little of the actual current growth is due to the size of ring signatures. Increased usage will cause sub-linear incremental growth because the first thing that will happen is that empty blocks will have transactions added to them (reducing chain overhead from 100% to <100%) and the next thing that will happen is that block headers will be amortized over a larger number of transactions.

In some hypothetical future if XMR has transaction volume that is comparable to BTC, its block chain will be several times larger since its transactions are larger. If that happens, the market will have accepted that a constant factor (very likely <10x) of increased chain size is an acceptable trade off for increased privacy of transactions on the chain. I see no way to objectively predict whether that will happen.
The current daemon softfork limits the blocksize to ~192 KB to avoid propagation issues, which may be exacerbated when we move from in-memory DB to an actual database. Of course, miners may make larger blocks if the median allows for it, but it's very likely they'll be orphaned.

This gives us about 2x the theoretical bandwidth of Bitcoin. End of the day, I think what will happen is that fees will begin to dictate tx inclusion, and that tx via Monero will probably be more expensive than for Bitcoin (given unlikely equal adoption).

Softfork to mandatory minimum mixin of 3 will bloat the chain about 3-fold further, but as it currently stands this is not a huge issue.

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Most computers cannot use XMR without a database, because the chain doesn't fit in memory.  I'd consider that urgent.  Not urgent enough to do it wrong, however.
I'm working with tewinget right now on the database, so it won't be that far off in the future.
258  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency [CPU/GPU(NVIDIA+AMD)] on: June 29, 2014, 06:56:27 PM
we just need to have some of the other components integrated first eg database.

Thank you for working on this.  I'd guess the database may be the most important step at the moment.

By the way, I can confirm the fix for the deterministic seed/date restore bug is good.  Tested on 64bit Arch Linux.

Cool, thanks! Smiley
259  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency [CPU/GPU(NVIDIA+AMD)] on: June 29, 2014, 06:55:23 PM

I don't know if it have been asked but what is the formula for calculating fees ?


Flat 0.005 fee + small quantities to burn off dust in you use dust inputs
260  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency [CPU/GPU(NVIDIA+AMD)] on: June 29, 2014, 03:36:26 PM
Then couldn't someone attack the network (or de-anonymize) the blockchain by just spamming transactions with mixin 0? You could just send from one wallet to another below the limit of tx fee?

I'm not trying to fuck up a other people's anonymity, but I obviously don't understand well enough how it works, because it's not clear to me how it could be mixed with transactions that are already in the blockchain. Also, if it can get fucked up by some idiot sending transactions around with mixin 0, that seems to be kind of a big security flaw, right? Maybe mixin=1 should be enforced in the wallet?

You still have to burn tx fees.

We have a fix coming for this in the near future (it's actually pretty easy), we just need to have some of the other components integrated first eg database.
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