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241  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 16, 2021, 10:44:39 AM
Bitcoins going down and I don't think I'd put any money in to Bitcoin right now. Instead I would put all in ETH, ADA and Matic this is how I survive in this red. will see you later once I feel positive about BTC.

When is the right time to put money in to Bitcoin?

Now sub $50k  Or later at $much higher price.

Real answer is anytime.

Your best bet is to play safe and put it all into your national currency sit on it for 10 years and watch it's purchasing power rot away.


If Bitcoin does end in a bloodbath the blood will be shallow compared to your investment in the Alts.
242  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: A member LIST .. What do we speculate the price will be this summer JOIN IN on: May 15, 2021, 08:52:46 PM
$89898

Last quarter alone Tesla sold more than $US500 million worth of carbon credits.
Tesla will miss out on more than $US200 million in revenue this year after European car giant Stellantis (a merger between Fiat Chrysler and the French-based PSA Group) revealed it would need far fewer credits to meet the European Union tight emissions regulations than it initially thought.
This will cost Tesla around $240 million for the year, assuming it can’t find another customer for the credits.
Enter Bitcoin miners, Elon Musk trashes Bitcoin for its energy use, causing Bitcoin to crash, then solves the problem by offering to sell the miners the spare carbon credits. With these, Bitcoin miners now green, they can fill OTC orders to institutional investors who can continue with plans to add Bitcoin to their balance sheets whilst meeting their Environmental, Social, and Corporate Governance (ESG) obligations.
Elon happy to keep a source of profit, TSLA shares up.
Institutional investors happy to buy clean bitcoin.
Price starts rising again everyone happy.
243  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 14, 2021, 09:35:15 PM
I kind of miss Roach, he would at least stir things a bit every now and then.
Wonder what side he would have taken, he hated both jews, arabs and muslims, (and most women).

I liked to read R0ach's posts, regardless of the content, they were always with well reasoned argument, he fairly accurately predicted the dip in silver prices, when I was in the market to buy some. Sub $14 in Dec 2015 its now $27.xx wow nearly twice price now. A pretty good investment.

Bitcoin was around $450 at the time.
I guess he was just defeated to see Bitcoin out performing silver by such a huge margin and decided to quit posting his arguments have been proven totally wrong.
Given his love of precious metal I never did understand the anti Semite stuff, maybe he was a Jew himself but a self loathing one.

 
 
244  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 14, 2021, 07:54:21 PM
WoW, Israel has gone crazy.

Gaza is being under attack with a lot of air strikes, tmhey have been attacking non-stop the whole night.

2 million Palestinians live in a besieged 365 km˛. Shocked

Waking up to see all those corpses from little children is disgusting.

 

Or.
WoW, Palestine has gone crazy.

Israel is being under attack with a lot of air strikes, they have been attacking non-stop the whole night.

8,6 million Israelis live in a besieged 20 770 km˛. Shocked

Waking up to see all those corpses from little children is disgusting.


The Muslims/Palestines started it, all they have to do to not get bombed is leave Israel alone.



Someone should bang their heads together or stop the OCCUPATION

Of corse we all want that unfortunately it will not happen, this conflict has been going on for centuries and will continue for years ore even decades to come, in fact they battle eachother in times way before Jezus was alife.

The nationalists Jews wants to settle a long term score to eradicate all the hard-line Palestinian Arab nationalists from the area to make room for ''Greater Isreal'' while the non-nationalists from both camps wants to live together peacefully sharing both the holy lands, the normal people will suffer as always.

They already made peace deals with former enemy (muslim) countries so don't expect support besides minor muscletalk from Egypt, they recieve fundings and missiles from Iran but Iran is Shias and this brings other conflict in the mix between Shias and Sunnis, it's just basiclly a major shithole.



There is a nice book by a Palestinian hill walker who writes about the ever shrinking landscape he is allowed to walk on.

Palestinian Walks: Forays into a Vanishing Landscape – Raja Shehadeh

But how would Russia (or for that matter any one else) respond if 2000 missiles were fired at them.

This is the WO though and not the place for a heated discussion on a very complicated situation.

Some serious FUD last few days, very good of that nice man Elon to cause a panic 10% off sale so that those deserving buyers could relieve the panic stricken of their coins.
Now I wonder what they will do with their $$$ ? let them rot away at 5% loss per year or buy back in at a higher price.  

 


245  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 14, 2021, 11:21:59 AM
It feels like 56k modems should appear in WO again, and soon...  Roll Eyes

Elon is working with dogshit devs to develop a 56k, looking hopeful.
246  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 11, 2021, 09:14:30 AM
Why no szuckerpump  Roll Eyes

... it all depends on what Zuckerberg does with his goats I'm guessing, it's a kind of too-clever-by-a-half cryptic message?

... like what if he is a goatzucker?


... does he go Max all-in Bitcoin? ride it like a maniac while screaming Gemini-Winklevi!?

1 merit for making me laugh out loud, that insane image will stay in my head for the rest of the day.
247  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 11, 2021, 09:09:13 AM
Tested 53k again and held.
Desperadoes lining up to give away their coin to both the shakers and Mrs. Farmer who stacked a little more at $53.8k

Ignore the troll - 'altogether grews'.

Coffee finished long day ahead.




248  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 07, 2021, 07:10:03 PM


Freud would make something out of this about your inner self.

Bitcoiners would see bitcoin flowing easily through the smooth pipe and shitcoins having a rough passage through the other one.

In other news USD is down 3.7% against Bitcoin (24hr)



249  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 02, 2021, 09:32:36 PM
OT: So this is just how fucked up inflation has gotten.

In 2000 if you had taken your life savings and kept it in $USD fiat, you would now have lost ~37% of your purchasing power.
https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/2000?amount=1

So if you had $1M of paper money in 2000, it would today only buy $630,000 worth of goods.

Ironically if instead of dollars you had put it all into $1M of pre-1983 pennies, you would now be up 6.78X your money.

So if in 2000 you had instead dumped $1M into pure copper pennies (or bars), you would now have $6.78M, and roughly ~$4.27M worth of purchasing power.

Even fkn lowly copper has trounced fiat.

It is even worse than that. You used 2013 for your calculation.

For 2000 to 2021 calculation is 54%.

There is a lot to be said for keeping some metal, any metal even R0ach's favorite silver.

Gold 2000 $282, 2021 $1750

Of course it needs to be kept in small units and within easy reach, not in a Swiss Vault.

Or it becomes like BTC in 3rd party custody, not your keys not your coin.   

Governments love inflation to reduce their debt.


 

250  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 29, 2021, 09:17:31 PM
Bitcorn is a ponzi.  Only losers are getting in on these tulips.

You're forgetting criminals. Are you one by any chance?

Which kind? Terrorist, money launderer, kiddie pornographer, drug dealer, or Ponzi scammer?

Banker Theft Avoiders

You forgot lake buyers. The worst kind.
Politicians of all flavors, evil tax avoiders, EUSSR, money lenders, Marxist professors, antifa, Ali Khamenei, the meek, Pope Francis, vegans, MSM, Al Shabaab, Spongebob Squarepants and Biden's mate that Chinese guy, whatshisname Winnie the Pooh.
251  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 29, 2021, 07:57:57 PM
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Among your family and friends, who owns Bitcoin?

This is too invasive a question.

The correct answer is we are all no-coiners.

Any other answer could be detrimental to you, your friends' and family's well being.







Bitcorn is a ponzi.  Only losers are getting in on these tulips.

Yep that's one good line to tell over inquisitive colleagues and acquaintances.
252  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 29, 2021, 07:06:47 PM
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Among your family and friends, who owns Bitcoin?

This is too invasive a question.

The correct answer is we are all no-coiners.

Any other answer could be detrimental to you, your friends' and family's well being.






253  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 28, 2021, 10:23:22 PM
@infofront: Pick it in terms of defining it, or picking one from a predefined set of (already prepared) polls?

I was buying bitcoins!!

Your timestamp 1619633791
My timastmap 1619633792

Choose the poll... infofront didn’t put any conditions so it’s open for you.

Hmm, i'm still thinking...
No idea  Roll Eyes

If you have a good poll on your mind, i'd let you choose.

Who else owns Bitcoin among your closed ones?
1. I’m alone
2. Me and my partner
3. My family and close friends
4. All of my circle owns some

Or

What’s your estimated price to sell your Bitcoins at least 50%
1. Next ATH
2. $100k
3. $250k
4. $500k
Or you going to HODL and die with your bitcoins? Don’t do this please...

Edit:
Or may be more generalized
What’s your estimated price to sell your Bitcoins at least 50%
1. Next ATH
2. $100-$150k
3. $200-$300k
4. $500k+

I think the first one is a good idea.
All the ideas i already had for a poll were already asked.
On the other hand, my mind is occupied with family probs at the time.
One of the sons is underperforming at school. It's not that he isn't clever, but he thinks he is way better than he really is. And when he's confronted with his low skills after writing tests, he's just sad. Not that he can be motivated to learn his stuff, but he remembers hundreds of names and details of pokemon, while he can't even accurately convert simple units (tons,kilograms,dekagrams,grams) - it's almost like dyscalculia. He gets it right one time out of four, by accident. $34 and 20c, converted to cents result in 340002 cents, for example. Next try, 2354cents converted to dollars, his reply is correct with $23,54...
He has a military grade maths teacher, too. I get a call from her every few weeks  Roll Eyes
I was helping many loser students in programming and computer science class, they were F's and made it to B,C's and some even found their new favorite hobby in coding. I'm good at teaching, i always tried hard to be a good teacher, but anything i try to teach him just wont stick in his head.
I really started to feel kind of helpless, lately.
My weak mind is occupied by spinning thoughts around this problem.
The trial to choose a poll made me somewhat aware of it.

Very interesting. Could it be that they are used to a phone calculator, so they don't need to solve problems by thinking about it?
According to mom, I got severe food poisoning when I was a small kid, and then refused to eat typical food.
Dr. suggested to place multiple types of food in front and maybe I choose something for starters. I did. It was something weird.
The point is-maybe give him several learning options...who knows, maybe he is a football player or a poet?

My god, no Smiley
There is that app called FamilyLink, i'd recognize it if he'd be using that calculator app on his phone.
He would fail at the basics, constructing correct input values. I refuse so much to think as an "Idiot" about him, this is how kids were seen when i was that young.
I would be glad to find the key to his door that blocks him from using his brain efficiently, while i can not name anything he has like "talent".
He is quite a daydreamer, he's reading all the time, but he is not a good writer at all.
Sometimes i think about the possibility that he subconsciously doesn't want to become adult, for whatever reason. Once he said to me that he doesn't want to become a teenager and that he will hate puberty.
We're not the kind of parents that try to break him, just to make him obey to the (mostly stupid) rules of this particular society. We were both raised that way and because of this we broke out of it, so fuck that. The main concern is that we will have to see him struggling with the school/work/life system for years to come, before he will hopefully develop his yet undiscovered strength(s).

Did you ever think maybe you are the problem?

You sure don't have a high opinion of him, he will know this and it will lower his self esteem.

Give him some practical stuff to do.

Ride his bike, take him shooting, fishing. Help out with a home improvement project, let him use real tools.

Let him help service your vehicle, or even drive it if he is big enough, cook the family meal.

Buy him a fun electronic kit that requires the use of a soldering iron.

Most of all show the boy some respect.







254  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 28, 2021, 08:34:03 PM
Taxes are kind of a price to pay to live in a civilized society.

If civilisation is built upon involuntary extortion...it's not really civilised is it?



And some of those hard earned taxes are diverted to farm subsidies which only serve to distort the market. Their main reason is political, to court votes. The majority of the money goes to big agricultural businesses with small family farms seeing very little. This enables big business to out compete small farms with economies of scale often making small farms bankrupt, these are in turn bought up cheaply.

I don't want to receive subsidies paid for by taxing hard working people. So reduce taxes, reduce government, let market forces dictate what farmers produce.  

 
255  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 28, 2021, 08:10:47 PM
...
Generated BIP39 Mnemonic 24 words.

I wish to store these words on a 2 of 3 paper backup and hide them.
It seemed a simple task.

So scouring through a book for these 24 words and assigning each a 5 digit code based on page number line number and position of word within the line. Then noting these down pencil on paper and hiding them would probably be meaningless to the finder.
I may just use the 24 words plus 1 method for extra security and commit this to pencil and paper in addition to being in my head.


Bro, dude, ... metal wallet. or engrave in stone. or something along those lines.

Take a look here: https://jlopp.github.io/metal-bitcoin-storage-reviews/

Or DIY it from some stainless steel flat plate. Stamp. Etch. Up to you. I'm going to try etching.



thanks for that, I did look into steel letter sets designed for the job.

Currently pencil on acid free paper. (Whereas in the past it would have been acid on blotting paper)

but not any good in a fire

I thought of etching copper with ferric chloride but steel has a 700F higher melting point and much harder and Ive got lots of scrap pieces lying around.
Maybe weld it face side inwards to shed doors to hide content.
project for a wet day.

To lose bitcoin when it was $300 would have caused sickness in pit of stomach.
But at current prices, the stuff of heart attacks.




256  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 28, 2021, 12:48:02 PM
"Biden to sell historic spending plans in speech to Congress"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56910884

I'm confused with the reporting here, is it $6 trillion or $7.5 trillion in total?

Eye watering figures.  Shocked


I was just trying to imagine how much a trillion dollars actually is. This video helped.
I thought for a minute, no it's not the last one, it's the one a few steps back. But no, it IS the last one. And that is only ONE trillion dollars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKrFFFpYgkU&ab_channel=AnimatedStuff

It took 10 years of interest from techies, traders, those interested in finance and now normies to invest savings and time for Bitcoin to reach that total marketcap figure.
Biden throws it around like it's nothing.

Good visualization of a $trillion in bank notes. I had no idea.

On a smaller scale 4 x 2inch bundles of €500 notes enables you to carry €1.000.000 in your jacket pockets.
These notes are not printed anymore by ECB due to their obsession with the money laundering and crime that they are not getting a cut of. But are still legal tender.
257  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 28, 2021, 12:34:37 PM
The application of this for Bitcoin could be to code your wallet seed phrase in this way by choosing a book and finding those seed words in the book and converting them to 5 digit numbers.

Without knowing from which book and the exact print edition (your key), your seed phrase is reasonably safe.

The cryptographers here will be able to punch holes in this but for good enough protection for regular folk it could work quite well.

Yes, they will.  So don’t do it.

*snipped brainwallet talk*

Using phrases from books as your seed phrase seems obviously insecure. Even if you use a further encryption method of your own design.

What about passphrases, though? Let's say you have your seed properly generated & stored in a secure manner. How much additional security would a six word phrase from a book provide? What about six words, picked from one book, using a method of your own design? How would the entropy generated this way compare with the entropy of six randomly generated words (such as throwing dice & picking words from the diceware list)?

Random six word passphrases are generally recommended as secure enough. Their downside is that while they are much easier to remember than secure strings of alphanumberic + symbols, they are still hard to remember, especially if you use more than a few. When using a method to generate 6 words from books, you just have to remember the method and which books you used. Is it comparably secure to storing your passphrases in a password manager or on paper in a hidden location?

This way, your wallet has 3 layers of protection: your seed phrase, your passphrase generation method and the knowledge of which particular print of a book to use. At this point I believe your biggest risk of loss is clearly yourself & the multiple points of failure you have set up Smiley



You are also correct about the multiple points of failure and have abandoned this idea.

For years I ran a node with Bitcoin core wallet then used Armory with offline transaction signing.

Then I had some problems with Armoury about the time ATI finished with the project and Goatpig continued with development. I managed to recover my coins and bought a ledger.

Generated BIP39 Mnemonic 24 words.

I wish to store these words on a 2 of 3 paper backup and hide them.
It seemed a simple task.

So scouring through a book for these 24 words and assigning each a 5 digit code based on page number line number and position of word within the line. Then noting these down pencil on paper and hiding them would probably be meaningless to the finder.
I may just use the 24 words plus 1 method for extra security and commit this to pencil and paper in addition to being in my head.

With Bitcoin bobbing about in the mid $50k's all is well.

258  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 28, 2021, 10:57:05 AM

That's a pretty stupid article: They have till November and my guess is it's an ass ton of paperwork. But let the Govt shut them down, I'm sure that will instantly drop the number of S. Koreans who want to hold Bitcoin to absolute zero. No, they won't get it elsewhere, their government knows so much better.

There will just be a bigger "won premium" as who would want a currency like the S. Korean Won.

$5 bucks says N. Korea will open a wall of bitcoin ATMs on the border in November  Just to fuck with them.

No big deal, plenty time for the Exchanges to comply with new rules and for current anonymous clients to withdraw coins if needed.

The border with DPRK and ROK is not like the US / Mexico border where you can come and go freely and all-comers are welcome. Besides DPRK hardly has enough electricity to keep their lights on without getting involved with Bitcoin.

You will owe $5/189.000 in BTC to your favorite charity in November.

So a very cheap bet for you although you lose.

Did not see Nullius' photo of border in later post till now.
259  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 27, 2021, 05:18:39 PM
The application of this for Bitcoin could be to code your wallet seed phrase in this way by choosing a book and finding those seed words in the book and converting them to 5 digit numbers.

Without knowing from which book and the exact print edition (your key), your seed phrase is reasonably safe.

The cryptographers here will be able to punch holes in this but for good enough protection for regular folk it could work quite well.

Yes, they will.  So don’t do it.

No, it is not “good enough protection for regular folk”.  Not when in the real world—not in theory, but in practice—there are blackhats doing a batch offline attacks using any text corpus you can think of.

In a roundabout way, you have reďnvented your own version of the brainwallet.  I snipped the part that you said about number stations, because it’s irrelevant:  You are introduced your scheme by discussing some spy stuff that often relied on secure randomness, then discarded secure randomness.  Don’t do this.

Decoding could be by the use of a one-time pad or simply a book.

One-time pad = secure randomness, by definition.  (And if it doesn’t use secure randomness, it is not a one-time pad!  Also, by the way, in modern cryptography, “one-time pad” is often a red flag for snakeoil; a one-time pad is itself secure, but the term is so abused by ignorant fools that it has become a mostly reliable marker for a high probability of bad crypto.  A one-time pad and its information-theoretic security proof are altogether totally irrelevant to Bitcoin wallets, so I will further ignore this.)

“Simply a book” may have been adequately secure for some uses 50 or 60 years ago.  Not today, when a computer can easily grind through trillions of phrases guessed from a text corpus.

Please do realize that cryptography has changed.  In the WWII era, and for most of the Cold War era, the very best ciphers would be laughably insecure by today’s standards.  Accordingly, cryptanalysis was different.  In real-world use by militaries, the use of cryptography was quite often only to slow down the cryptanalysts for long enough that a message would be irrelevant:  A general doesn’t care if his “ATTACK AT DAWN” message is cracked after the dawn attack has already occurred.

To give you a quick gut-shot feeling for how much cryptography has changed, without getting too technical:  Cryptanalysis departments used to employ teams of experts in (human) languages, to assist with estimation of word frequencies and letter frequencies in the plaintext.  They don’t do that anymore—not the same way as they used to; not nearly—because modern ciphers output ciphertext that is indistinguishable from randomness for a computationally bounded attacker.  If the type of probabilistic cryptanalysis used decades ago could shave even 1 bit off the security margin of a cipher like AES or Chacha20, then the cipher would be declared to be badly broken!  Alan Turing could drawn up his “Eines List”, way back when—nowadays, that type of analysis is generally unhelpful.

Anyway, I hope you get my point:  There was a time when for certain uses, if you understood the threat model very well, then maybe you could use some phrase from a printed book as a secret key.  That is completely inapplicable to Bitcoin wallets.  Using a phrase from a book as a Bitcoin brainwallet is a most excellent way to run a high risk of getting your money stolen; and advising others to do so is a way to make them risk getting their money stolen.  Don’t do that!

P.S., if you still believe in your scheme, then please suggest it in the technical forum where you will be promptly roasted to a crisp.  I don’t have so much time to pick apart insecure brainwallet schemes anymore; I wasted too much time on that, for years.

Thank you for your lengthy post and excellent input Nullius on the complexity of what on the surface to ordinary people seems a fairly simple task.
Matching seed phrase to random single words from random pages of a random book just seemed a good idea coupled with putting the 5 digit numbers on a 2 of 3 paper backup in different geographical locations also seemed a good idea.
Till now.

Most interesting post and I shall be upping the security of my phrase which I do have a copy in my brain.

I certainly do not want you dead of apoplexy and more selfishly to lose any Bitcoin.

And to others do not follow my advice on storing your seed phrase.

Happy to see mid 50k after Sunday's coordinated dump.
260  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 27, 2021, 03:45:49 PM
Anyone old enough to remember the Number Stations broadcasting out of Eastern Europe during the years the Berlin Wall was standing? They were used to communicate with intelligence agents, who needed nothing more than a SW radio to anonymously receive messages.
The Stations used high power short wave transmitters, the broadcast would start with a signature tune often from a worn stretched tape or a Station number ID.
Then a series of numbers would be read out by the announcer or voice synthesizer.
They were always in blocks of 5.

So 2-7-9-0-4 then 9-4-3-6-4 and so on.
Decoding could be by the use of a one-time pad or simply a book.

Where
digits 1 and 2 could be the page number.
digits 3 and 4 could be the line number
digit 5 the position of the word in that line.

The numbers then decoded to reveal the message.

The application of this for Bitcoin could be to code your wallet seed phrase in this way by choosing a book and finding those seed words in the book and converting them to 5 digit numbers.

Then writing down and storing anywhere the series of meaningless 5 digit numbers.

Without knowing from which book and the exact print edition (your key), your seed phrase is reasonably safe.

The cryptographers here will be able to punch holes in this but for good enough protection for regular folk it could work quite well.




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