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2401  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cash out or keep playing? on: November 21, 2023, 08:37:04 AM
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I've often wondered how many of us can truly stop playing when we are ahead. It's a challenge because the allure of winning more can be irresistible. I've witnessed situations where a friend deposited money into a casino, faced losses, and just when he was on the brink of frustration, he struck a significant win. Did he stop playing? No, he left his winnings in the casino, only to lose it all again.
So, I ask you all, what would you do when you finally make that big win? Would you cash out immediately to enjoy your winnings, or would you keep playing in the hopes of an even more substantial prize? Shocked
When we get a big win, one of the things we have to do is immediately leave the game, but unfortunately only a few gamblers are able to do that because many of us have come across someone who has managed to win a big win. then they will think that now the Goddess Fortuna is on his side, which makes his self-confidence increase and he thinks that whatever he does, luck will definitely enable him to get an even bigger win. Personally, I sometimes fall into that category of people even though I know that with every win there is a loss afterwards.

Yes, that is indeed the best thing to do, but unfortunately not all gamblers can do that, my friend, the sensation of winning is extraordinary and it is very likely to make them forget all the precautions they have previously prepared, and that is why many gamblers behave greedy, all because the opportunity to win is greater than before, even though basically it is very unlikely for them to get the same luck at a different time.

In conditions like that I am sure and to be honest I have also felt that our self-confidence will increase even more and that will be a big incentive for us to apply greed by continuing to play, I am sure they will not stop until something surprising occurs to them or what that means The session ended in defeat, all the money they had originally earned was lost because of their greedy behavior and the encouragement of too big hopes. After that, what will they feel? Yes, of course they will regret it and say "why didn't I withdraw from the start", but they realize at the wrong time, the rice has turned into porridge and it's too late. Lots of people experience this condition and you should be able to use other people's experiences as learning material so that you don't make the same mistakes, that makes sense, right? just that.
2402  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What I've learned so far as a gambler on: November 21, 2023, 08:12:23 AM
It's true, experience is always quite important in any field, be it in terms of business or gambling, although basically luck will always not determine whether you are experienced or not, but still if you have experience then you will be able to know what it is about. just what should be done and what should not be done under certain conditions. Therefore, perhaps this could be a strong reason why recently many novice gamblers are suffering more losses, none other than because they don't know what to do and can't differentiate between good and bad. So in essence, gamblers who are professionals almost completely know what they should do when they are in certain conditions.

As I said above, luck will never be seen whether you are a professional gambler or not, but the luck percentage may be the same as for beginners, or I mean it can't be known at all, but what differentiates it is the method and management that has been done. professionals are good enough to be used as examples. That's right, we can use the method they did as an example to emulate so that we don't always get worse with an increasing number of losses. That's a good alternative to choose, I think.
From this experience, we can learn a lot so that we can avoid the problems that many people have experienced. We can also learn from our experiences to increase the knowledge we have and know what we should do. Beginner gamblers may not have much experience, but they can learn from other gamblers, especially preventing large losses or managing their finances. If novice gamblers can learn from their experiences and the experiences of others, they will be able to control themselves well and will make fewer mistakes in the future.

If it were luck, we probably wouldn't have the same luck so maybe novice gamblers could have better luck than other gamblers. We can only try to be wise gamblers in gambling and always try to control ourselves well so that we don't suffer big losses. If we can do this, we will become gamblers who can enjoy good gambling moments and will not chase wins or want to recover losses.

Yes of course, as in the business field, someone will not be able to achieve success if they never experience failure first at the beginning, none other than because it is the failure that they will make a lesson so that in the future they do not fall into the same hole, that's just an example and still I will not associate gambling with other fields such as business because in gambling there is absolutely no element of achieving success because everything goes randomly and always cannot be predicted. Yes, the only problem for beginners is their very limited experience, and maybe that's natural because they are beginners who certainly don't know too much or haven't experienced many things that are there.

But on the other hand it cannot be used as a complete excuse for them, because obviously on the other hand they can learn from other people's experiences such as seeing the downturn experienced by addicts, I understand that all gamblers do not want to experience a lot of defeat problems, especially in large quantities, therefore, especially for beginners, there is one way they can do it, namely by learning from the experiences of professional people, they are still fine and you also have to be able to do it like them if you want to survive and be fine. In terms of luck, novice gamblers can be luckier than professionals or vice versa, no one knows.
2403  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A tip for staying resposible while gambling. on: November 21, 2023, 07:51:36 AM

Basically, it's not just the number of losses that must be limited but the number of wins is also equally important, why? because by limiting the number of wins indirectly it will make you avoid continuous greed, so if you have managed to get a certain amount of winnings then it's better to immediately go and enjoy the victory with a box of pizza, it's better as a sign of gratitude. And also yes to the first point above in terms of limiting your losses so that they are not too big then as you said that we must be responsible gamblers by only putting small amounts or meaning amounts that will not hurt too much if they are finally lost.

That's right, I often see people like that, they can't limit their money to gamble, for them losing is not the end of the session and after that they will put their money back there with a high level of emotion because they lost before, or the intention is to catch up with losing. They do not know that it is basically the starting point of their destruction and without realizing it, their money is drained until there may be no sams left for their needs. Usually they will be able to realize if they have experienced the bitterest thing in gambling, with that they will definitely not repeat the same mistakes, so the good or bad impact is in your hands.

The gambling sites had both the win and loss it was the common factor.Many gambler wanted the gambling sites as the money earning tool,So they keep use of their money till the big win was made in the gambling sites.When the gambler was not had a capacity to play the game,he will play the game by getting the loans from their freinds.But it was need to understand the gambler who are getting loan for the gambling play will get into the big trouble.The gambling may get all your money if you play against the algorithm,the gambling sites not scamming you.You should understand the algorithm before using of the real money into the gambling sites.The gambler who not have the peace mind because of the algorithm cracking was failed should learn to crack the same algorithm.

Yes losing and winning is very common in terms of the end result of every gambling session they do, they know that but the problem is not all gamblers can accept defeat right? of course, and I see that most of the gamblers cannot accept the results that are not in accordance with what they want, but what can you do? chasing defeat? are you sure that the method will really work or be useful? not necessarily friends and what usually happens is just the opposite, you can see how the fate of people who always chase defeat in their gambling, instead of breaking even but what happens is the amount of your losses is even greater. Isn't that condition even worse? obviously. So there is no other way than you understand about the risks and opportunities that exist in gambling, if indeed you are currently losing then stop and rest, there is no point in chasing something that has been lost in a place that absolutely cannot provide any certainty.

Especially if you are willing to borrow money just to chase defeat, of course as you said that it will only cause big problems, which is why addicts always experience unexpected things, none other than because they are too serious in putting hope in something that is basically nothing more than a profit - profit activity.
2404  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Dangerous chasing losses on: November 20, 2023, 02:52:39 PM
     -   Most gamblers know that, in truth, that's why they continue to do that style. Now the question is, why? That's because the addiction
is already there.

Since the addiction that has become the root of everything is there, they really can't get rid of that kind of always-chasing after losing because they think they can still recover their losses that have reached a large amount. But, as much as possible, don't get used to this behavior.
Gambling addiction can come on suddenly and without anyone realizing it. Many gamblers have experienced this, but the levels of gambling addiction also vary, so some gamblers can still control themselves when gambling. Only the awareness that they have started to experience a gambling addiction can make them see the fact that the gambling addiction is already within them, and they must try to suppress the gambling addiction so that it doesn't get bigger. And if they are still trying to recover their losses, the gambling addiction can become bigger without them even realizing it. That is why we must have good self-control so that we can understand that in gambling, we do not need to try to recover losses or chase bigger wins.

That is why we always should not overdo it when gambling, none other than because emotions are very likely to occur when the final result does not match what you want, and in that condition then I believe you will unconsciously continue to gamble to chase defeat and unconsciously you will enter into addiction, not only that because even if you win it does not mean you will not become an addicted gambler, It really depends on your point of view on this activity, if you put too much thrill in winning then it will also make you addicted and forget the real concept of gambling that is nothing more than luck and both of the above are indications that can make you addicted without realizing it.

Well that's right, I admit that indeed the level of addiction is different and I think it also depends on the gambler's own point of view in seeing gambling, the fact is that there are those who are very addicted to a high level and cannot take any precautions, and there are also those who are still in a pretty good consciousness and they can still at least take some precautions such as maybe not being too greedy and other things. But it's very difficult guys to get to that point of awareness or even just to find out if they're addicted or not. I think in that condition he has to see the downfall of other people so that they can wake up.
2405  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cash out or keep playing? on: November 20, 2023, 02:34:40 PM
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Betting anything must be done wisely and responsibly, even though it is sometimes difficult to be consistent, believe me that we can do it easily if there is a high willingness to change our own gambling habits for the better in a more positive direction, the most important thing is to limit your gambling budget. and always be grateful for every victory you get, even if it is small.  Grin
I really like the final words you wrote and this is what I mean even though we always bet and often lose but at least we can appreciate every small win we get and decide to stop after getting a small win or cash out the winnings better.
No matter how small the wins we get, if we can appreciate these small wins, we can gamble responsibly so as not to waste large amounts of money.

It's a pretty decent gambling activity in my opinion, basically it's the better one to do, because it's useless if you continue to chase victory, because after all you also know or have even proven that in 10x attempts for example you can only get 1/2 a win. So with this alone I think we can already conclude that gambling is really just an entertainment activity because there is no certainty whatsoever for a better final result, and therefore if at a certain time you are very lucky by managing to get one win for example then of course it is better for you to just go immediately to enjoy the results of your luck. Not only that, even if you lose for example, you still have to have time to at least stop for a short break, it's better than you continue to gamble and unknowingly run out of all your money.

That's right, one of the drivers so that you can be a responsible gambler is that you can't overdo it in gambling, and also by being able to appreciate the results of winning even though yes maybe it's small but it doesn't matter better to win with a small amount than you have to lose and get nothing.
2406  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What I've learned so far as a gambler on: November 20, 2023, 02:14:18 PM
Yes that makes sense and I agree with you about the way professional or experienced gamblers do it, they are not careless in making decisions, surely before that they have done some considerations, none other than because they have experienced things that have a bad impact on them, so over time they know what to do and what not to do, all of that they do just to minimize the chances of losing, it doesn't matter if they only get a small win but what is certain is not to let the number of their losses be greater. If indeed the betting they do is like sports then they must have good skills and analysis, I'm sure they will continue to study it for prevention and maximize the final result.

But still for the final result always depends on luck and they understand that, and all the preparations they have prepared are nothing but just to minimize if indeed at that time they are unlucky then the loss will not be too big. Of course, not only that, in terms of when to come in and when to go out they must also have known, along with the amount they had to bet. That is the importance of experience in any case even in gambling but it is still needed to be taken into consideration, and yes we must make it an example.
That's what professional gamblers will do because they have more experience in gambling and are able to adapt themselves well to every gambling situation. He may feel that he cannot continue gambling because the situation has changed and he does not need to force himself to keep trying. Professional gamblers also know that they will have difficulty recovering their losses and will not try to recover their losses. Most of us as gamblers can only continue to learn from our experiences and those of others so that we can improve our own abilities in gambling. Our ability here means that we can have good self-control, which can prevent us from experiencing problems that ultimately only give us a gambling addiction.

Indeed, the final result will depend on their luck, but they can really reduce their losses so that they don't become bigger than other people. They know what they have to do to avoid big losses. They just need to limit their gambling activities and not gamble excessively. That way, they can avoid big losses and can even enjoy gambling like other people do. We must also be able to learn from those who can control themselves well so that we can also apply it to ourselves.

It's true, experience is always quite important in any field, be it in terms of business or gambling, although basically luck will always not determine whether you are experienced or not, but still if you have experience then you will be able to know what it is about. just what should be done and what should not be done under certain conditions. Therefore, perhaps this could be a strong reason why recently many novice gamblers are suffering more losses, none other than because they don't know what to do and can't differentiate between good and bad. So in essence, gamblers who are professionals almost completely know what they should do when they are in certain conditions.

As I said above, luck will never be seen whether you are a professional gambler or not, but the luck percentage may be the same as for beginners, or I mean it can't be known at all, but what differentiates it is the method and management that has been done. professionals are good enough to be used as examples. That's right, we can use the method they did as an example to emulate so that we don't always get worse with an increasing number of losses. That's a good alternative to choose, I think.
2407  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [POLL] Are you in profit? on: November 20, 2023, 01:50:14 PM

The biggest mistake gamblers make is chasing previous losses and wanting to recover the losses they have experienced, whether small or large, there will definitely be no point in chasing them because if calculated statistically it will not be achieved because the wins obtained are less than the losses obtained, so why? Chasing defeat, wasn't it explained at the beginning that gambling is full of risks?

Yes, it's the biggest mistakes that gamblers make, maybe because they have losing and so they think that they can get back the money that they have loss and then win some. But pretty much it's a suicide for us, because the longer we play, the higher the odds that we might not get that money. So for me, if ever I had the chance to at least make even money after playing or not losing all the capital that I have, still good to me to quit and fight another day. And I guess we have to accept that fact that as a gamblers, sometimes we win and most of the times we are going to lose. So at least it won't hurt as much when we think of the money that we have lost so far for this year. And looking at the pool, more than 70% who voted are losing their money and we still have a lot more than a month before the end of the year so most likely the numbers could increased in December.

The main mistake is in their own mindset, they are wrong in assuming what is meant by the opportunity in gambling, if they understand that it is just an opportunity which means it is not or not necessarily possible to happen then I think they will not be excessive or will not think of chasing defeat, it is very difficult to be able to get a win or even just to break even. Therefore, the first thing that must always be considered is in terms of risk, before gambling you must be familiar with all the possibilities that are very likely to occur, so maybe you have also heard some advice that don't put too much money into gambling, because if the money is lost then I'm sure you won't accept the results, and in a state  of emotion that controls you then obviously you will act out of control such as chasing defeat, even though there is absolutely no certainty that the result will win or lose.

I think you should be a responsible gambler, because then I think you won't have to suffer so  many losses, and will be able to accept whatever the final result is, even if it's disappointing. Yes, if you have won then it's better to stop, there must be a time when you go home without tears. So basically all the decisions are in your own hands, and it will also determine the impact.
2408  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: A tip for staying resposible while gambling. on: November 20, 2023, 01:30:50 PM

It's easy to be said but you're right, it may be helpful for some but others may ignore that statement because we are all aware that every person has a different ways on how to be responsible on their own. As a gambler, It's a must to know that once you enter in a casino or once you are gambling thru online, possibilites are about winnings and losing only so it is better to gamble or use an amount of money that you are afford to lose only.
Limiting money for gambling is indeed important, and it is also a form of responsibility of a gambler towards their own finances.
We must have seen several gamblers who were devastated because their finances were drained. it was because of the irresponsible gambling he did.
Some gamblers can be more responsible and controlled when they face difficult situations. But there are also those who don't make progress after everything they have is gone. Basically it all comes back to the gambler's readiness to face the risks of gambling.


Basically, it's not just the number of losses that must be limited but the number of wins is also equally important, why? because by limiting the number of wins indirectly it will make you avoid continuous greed, so if you have managed to get a certain amount of winnings then it's better to immediately go and enjoy the victory with a box of pizza, it's better as a sign of gratitude. And also yes to the first point above in terms of limiting your losses so that they are not too big then as you said that we must be responsible gamblers by only putting small amounts or meaning amounts that will not hurt too much if they are finally lost.

That's right, I often see people like that, they can't limit their money to gamble, for them losing is not the end of the session and after that they will put their money back there with a high level of emotion because they lost before, or the intention is to catch up with losing. They do not know that it is basically the starting point of their destruction and without realizing it, their money is drained until there may be no sams left for their needs. Usually they will be able to realize if they have experienced the bitterest thing in gambling, with that they will definitely not repeat the same mistakes, so the good or bad impact is in your hands.
2409  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 20, 2023, 11:34:08 AM

Well that's what I mean too, maybe we've also seen how a goalkeeper can end up being the first person to start an attack that leads to a goal, be it with their long pass or through an attack from below.
Like I said earlier that this is a plus for a goalkeper. Not only can they keep a goal from being conceded, they can also start attacks from their feet. But again I would say that it is a plus, or in other words, they should not forget their main responsibility as a goalkeeper.


There are several examples to be found on Youtube for goalkeepers and how they give an assist with either a shot or some of them can throw the ball so precisely and like across the whole field that this can make a difference. But having a goalkeeper who also is close to having the quality to be a field-player is the optimal situation for any team. It can take a lot of pressure from the defensive players when they know that they can pass the ball back without hesitation. Otherwise it can often be seen how critical situations emerge out of nothing because players want to avoid to pass the ball back. Frankly, most goalkeepers today are quite good with their feet and they are usually integrated into the game. But some of them are really mastering their role.
Some football observers might say the same thing or even have a different assessment of how we see a goalkeeper in this modern era of football. Yes, we can't force our views to be the same as others, especialy since this is just an assessment from different perspectives but with the same goal in my opinion.
Yes I also said it requires support from other plyers, especially with players who have close proximity to them, yes in this case we will certainly talk about defensive players. We can't just look at one player, we have to look at all the players who move to create a good pass.
2410  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: November 20, 2023, 11:16:02 AM
2 clubs that have not been beaten until week 11 are Leverkusen and Bayern Munich, which distinguishes points because Leverkusen has only gotten a draw once, while Bayern Munich has felt 2 draws. In terms of goal productivity, they also both have good goal productivity, it's just that Bayern Munich is better with 42 goals they have created, while Leverkusen created 34 goals. Turning to defense, they also have the same solid defense and they are even 2 clubs that have a good defense in the Bundesliga are these two clubs, if we base it on the number of goals created to their goal. I hope this rivalry continues until the end of the season.
2411  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: November 20, 2023, 10:59:37 AM

I think now it's different because Modric no longer has a main place in the Real Madrid team so it's possible for him to accept the offer and play while waiting for his retirement.
Now that Luka Modrić is 38 years old, of course he can no longer regularly compete with the young players in the Real Madrid first team.

With a fantastic salary offer I think it is very possible for Luka Modrić to accept the offer, and even if he leaves it will not have any impact on Real Madrid's midfield, it is time for Luka Modrić to enjoy football in a non-competitive league before he decides on a possible retirement there are only a few seasons left.


 Well though Modric has an undying love for the club and would still love to continue playing for Realmadrid but he should understand that he's not as young as he used to be and most coaches in the European league would mostly prefer giving chances for youngsters to thrive, making him to be at the bench in most matches, 38 years is an age that's due to retirement and I doubt if he modric would be able to play full 90mins and compete with younger midfielders in other teams in terms or physical strength and agility.

 The best thing is for him to seize the opportunity of moving to the Saudi league where we'll be earning a more better salary and given enough match time compared to if he remains at Realmadrid and also the money he receives would really serve as a retirement fund when he finally leaves football.
Yes now many coaches are giving confidence to young players to be able to get more playing time, it goes hand in hand with the regeneration program that most clubs implement. It is true that Modric must be able to realize that, if he still wants more playing minutes than being on the bench, unless he has planned for it and in the near future will decide to retire. Especially now at Real Madrid, young players who are given the trust can answer that trust by performing well. Although some times they are not satisfactory, they are slowly getting better over time.
2412  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: November 20, 2023, 10:43:40 AM
The two teams promoted this season will open their matches this week after the international break ends. Bringing together hosts Alaves who will host their guests Granada and this will be a fairly balanced match according to their respective levels. Currently Alaves is in 15th position with 12 points and Granada looks much worse by being in the relegation zone temporarily and only collecting 7 points. If we look at the previous meeting the two teams only played a draw and that too at home to Alaves. So, even though there will be another draw, I hope there will be a win for one of the teams, especially as both of them are also targeting full points to improve their current position.
Both clubs are in the same situation, and perhaps Alaves can be said to be better than Granada in this regard. But better is not a guarantee for Alaves to win this match, because on Granada's own side, surely they see this as their opportunity to also win points considering their opponents are also not as strong as Real Madrid and Barcelona millennia. In terms of opportunities Alaves are superior and they will also play this match with home status. But I personally can't predict who will win, and the possibility of both can share points.
2413  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: November 20, 2023, 10:28:39 AM
I think every team that participates in the Champions League group stage is a great team that really has the capability to become a winner in the Champions League. There is indeed a difference in level between representatives from small European leagues and teams from the big leagues, but it still does not rule out the possibility that those from the small leagues will become dark horses in this competition.

So I think the competition in Group A is a tough battle for all of these teams, and if in fact, Bayern Munich can win all their matches, it doesn't mean they have an easy opponent to play against, but because they can play with consistent performance while their opponents may be having their own problems which prevents them from playing optimally.
UEFA Champions League are for the main elite teams and strong competitors, there's nothing consider as elite and mediocre teams because every single club in UCL is consider a champion and every club has probability of winning. There's absolutely no reason for us to underestimates any club in UEFA Champions League competition because its not consider an easy quest to fight your way through qualifying for top four in their perspective Leagues. Manchester United, that is consider a flopping team also sits for UCL matches and that's one of the big motivation for the Red Devils.
Everyone has a chance to win the Champions League, but what makes the difference is how big the percentage is for them to win the title.
I'll give you an example, for example we can't say Manchester City and Antwerp have the same chance because of their strength and performance. With no intention to underestimate Antwerp at all, but that's the fact that I see now. Manchester City may have a 50% chance of winning the championship, but for Antwerp it's only 20%. I guess that's how we see the chances of all clubs to win the Champions League. Or in short, they all have the same chances with different percentages.
2414  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2023/24 Season on: November 20, 2023, 10:12:04 AM
The Europa League group stage this time is becoming more interesting, because so far from the 4 matches they have played, I have not seen a club that can really ensure that it will qualify for the next round. Leverkusen so far is the only club that is quite successful with perfect points from the 4 matches they played, they only need 1 more point to ensure they will really be able to qualify.
Other than that, we have a Champions League club coming to play in the playoffs for a place in the last 16, I don't have any idea which club is going here yet.

I personally no hesitation in saying that the teams that are currently in positions 1 and 2 in each group in the Europa League right now, almost all of them can be guaranteed to qualify for the next round. Maybe only a few can still be replaced by the team in position 3, but it seems like the chances for them or the team in position 3 are not that good chances either. Because anyway, at this moment theteams in 1st and 2nd positions have quite a good gap in points with the teams in positions 3 and 4. Also, eventhough some of teams in 1st and 2nd positions in fact is some of them have the same points but still, they will still qualify for the next round. So ya, I would say, the teams that are currently in 1st and 2nd positions in all the Europa League groups at the moment, they have a good chance of qualifying for the next round and I'm sure of that.
It may seem that way, but what I'm refering to here are the clubs that have confirmed themselves to be in the last 16. We all know that the only club that can certainly qualify from this group stage is the group winner, while the runnerup position they still have to play a play off match to be in the last 16, they also still have to wait for who finished 3rd in the Champions League group stage. This will be very difficult for them, because the opponents they will face from the Chmpions League are also opponents that they will not easily beat.



That can turn out to be an issue when they are lacking depth in the squad, but that is the same for almost any team. I don't know many teams in the Europa League that have a squad with enough depth to cope with several injuries. But Bayer Leverkusen does have experience with injured players as far as I know because they were affected by that in the past and right now they are in great shape because all players are available. Hopefully it stays like that because they are playing some great football these days.
Yes, it is very possible to happen. We can see now that many teams in EPL and La Liga are experiencing injury problems with many players. Specifically for the teams which join some competitions both international and local competitions. They must have a good squad depth, it will be very helpful if there are some main players injured for a long time. Leverkusen are joining both international and local competitions. There will be a bigger chance that the players will experience injured problem. Moreover, if there are some players who are the main players in their national team.
Good depth is a must-have for the club, because it was to prevent or anticipate things like the hurricane of injuries that came their way. But not all clubs can make that happen, because their finances are not good and so on. This is a job for a coach, because he is required to think round the brain to be able to anticipate this kind of thing.
But in my opinion this is also a joint job, don't let only the coach have to bear this kind of thing, management must participate in thinking of solutions to this problem.
2415  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: November 20, 2023, 09:55:57 AM
If we reflect on the previous season, then we will get the fact that the 3 clubs that managed to occupy the top 4 in the last season are not in the top flight now. Marseilee and Rennes are even in 10th place and 13th place this season, while Lens is still better because it is still ranked 6th. From what I see, I think that their quality in maintaining consistency is not good, with frequent changes of clubs in the top 4 every season. The same thing often happens in the Premier League for example, but there are many differences. If in the Premier League it is indeed a very competitive league, while here it is more about the instability shown by most clubs.
2416  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: November 20, 2023, 09:36:07 AM
It wasn't a surprise when they brought in some of the top players from Europe to join the SPL, it was their plan to boost the League's popularity and it worked. Especially now that there are rumors that one of the clubs from the SPL has asked to join and be part of the Champions League, Al Nassr. Although it is just a rumor, but from here we can see they are successful with their buzz recruiting many players who previously played for big clubs in Europe.
If it does happen (Al Nassr will play in the Champions League), it will be a huge success for the SPL.

I have now spent some time researching where this rumor comes from that the UEFA intends to invite Al-Nassr into the Champions League for the season 24/25. I can't find an official source that either cites any official channel from the UEFA or is itself considered highly trustworthy.

Can anyone post a link here where the UEFA or one of their officials has announced that Al-Nassr will be invited or confirmed that the rumor is true and that there are considerations to extend the Champions League by this club?
That's what I emphasized in what I said earlier "even if it's just a rumor" which I also did not find an official source for this rumor to be followed up. But my point here is that when there are rumors like that circulating, then I can conclude that their league has become popular, even to the point of such rumors. Regardless of who first made the news or anything else, it is of interest to us, me especially. The reason is, I'm thinking what if this really happens? Yes, although realistically I also don't think that far.



The decision to sign many football veterans from the  European scene I think can never be a long term plan to improve the quality of football in the Saudi League because most of these players barely have few more years to play professional football before retiring from the the beautiful round leather game. But I think the Saudi League is signing these players for another reason and that's to get global audience and popularity. At the moment, I think they've gotten what they really want when it comes to advertising the league to the world because at the moment, almost every part of the world now discusses about the Saudi League thanks the the presence of football superstars in the league.
Now that they've gotten what they want in terms of global recognition, I think it's now high time they start developing young talents in the country in other to remain popular in world football.
Club football is simply the best competitive games. Players of the current era of football doesn't play for awards or major titles, though some brilliant ones actually focuses on that but those random players focused on earning big salaries from clubs, one of the reason they're focused on moving to SPL clubs and playing significant roles just for the improvement and popularity of the league. Saudi Pro League clubs will not stop until they've succeeded in bringing in more promising players from European football. This is just the beginning as I'm certain they will continue to push for more signings in upcoming summer.
I totally agree when their movement focuses on increasing the popularity of their league. But if they are good at utilizing moments like this, then indirectly they can also build or develop the young players they have to be able to learn directly from the experience of players who have long played in Europe, it will be very motivating for them in my opinion.
But so far I'm also not focusing on that, because I also don't pay much attention to the young players they have now. Yes, I don't deny that my interest in this league is due to the number of star plyers. For me, the matter of young players is purely a matter for their federation or the people who have an interest there.
2417  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 20, 2023, 09:21:47 AM
Atalanta vs Napoli, this will be another interesting match apart from the Juventus vs Inter Milan match. currently the two clubs are only one rank adrift, Napoli in 4th position and Atalanta in 5th position, with a very tight points distance too, 21 points from Napoli, and 20 points that Atalanta managed to collect.
I think the chance of the match ending with a draw is a very likely opportunity, considering the performance of the two clubs does not have a significant difference. In terms of consistency they have a lot in common, in the last 5 matches they played alone, they both won 2 defeats 1 draw and 2 wins.

But so far, the reality is that Napoli have not received any defeat for Napoli's away matches so far this season. So ya, it is certainly feasible that Napoli are predicted to at least not lose this match. Because anyway, based on the odds available at the moment too, although there is not much difference but still, it can be seen that Napoli is still slightly expected to get good results this match. Indeed, it will be difficult to choose whether Atalanta or Napoli will win in this match, because Napoli is also in a bad situation due to Osimhen injury and the lack of harmony between the coach and the players. With that in mind, perhaps betting on both teams to score would be a good choice as well.
Yes they have yet to taste defeat in their away games, but they have also drawn a few times with opponents who are actually no better than Atalanta when looking at their standings. I agree that it will be very difficult to predict a tight match like this, because both clubs have the ability to beat each other.
They must focus on this match, because the slightest mistake will make them lose, especially if the opponent can take advantage of the mistakes made by each club.


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Juventus has indeed been hit by a lot of internal problems that have occurred with their players, such as Pogba and several other players who have been violated for to playing. But I admire Allegri because he was able to stabilize Juventus performance in the midst of a situation like that. There is a big possibility that juventus can beat Inter milan and maybe with a score of 1-0. For Inter Milan, this match will be a big match for them to show their best strength this season. Simone Inzaghi will force his players to perform better in this match because winning this match will make them more confident in winning the Scudetto.

This happens because Allegri is a true professional, he knows how to make the team work as best as possible in any condition without complaining.
Let's remember last year when he had a lot of injuries and managed to get through the emergency period well. For this reason I appreciate him very much as a coach.

For a coach complaining is not an option, because if they complain then be prepared for the worst that they will get. I understand that when coaches complain, they feel that the squad or facilities they get are not good, but that will not solve the problem, and can even cause new problems to come.
Utilizing everything that exists, that is something that a coach must do, because then they can find the right formula with the limitations they feel.
2418  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 20, 2023, 09:05:19 AM

Yes, it is not a must for goalkeepers, but goalkeepers who have the ability to do so have a plus point in this era of modern football. But again I say that it should not neglect the abilities of a goalkeeper that should be, as in the points I made earlier.
Now what happens to David de Gea is, when he is considered not to have good passing accuracy coupled with their defense that is not better organized. No matter how good a player is, he will not have a good pass when his teammates cannot open up space and can move without the ball.

This is a difficult discussion, but I think that any modern goalkeeper should be able to participate in building up the game. On the highest level I think most of the teams have a goalkeeper who is able to support the team with the ability to initiate high paced attacks. If one team has that and the other teams doesn't, one attack can make the difference between winning and losing. That is why these versatile goalkeepers are among the most expensive players in the market. The value has increased by a lot in the last few years.
Well that's what I mean too, maybe we've also seen how a goalkeeper can end up being the first person to start an attack that leads to a goal, be it with their long pass or through an attack from below.
Like I said earlier that this is a plus for a goalkeper. Not only can they keep a goal from being conceded, they can also start attacks from their feet. But again I would say that it is a plus, or in other words, they should not forget their main responsibility as a goalkeeper.



This is not the right time for Manchester United to push Eric Ten Hag Hag out from being the coach of Manchester United,  i think if Manchester united sack him now Manchester United will be worse than what they are right now. Manchester United is in the 6th position in the standings,  this is not a very bad position and their are still hopes that tge team performance can change and be better than what it is right now. The problem of Manchester United right now is wrong formation of players, some of the players don't really know the role to play in their game.
Manchester united supporters should be patient with the coach because there's completely no other better prominent coach out there without weaknesses. Even the almighty Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp often records defeats in league games. Erik Ten Hag is simply doing his best to redeemed the club from their struggling moments and ensure they are in good shape, one of the major reasons he will massively be involved in the January transfer market. Sacking a coach is not the problem, the main problem are the players whose performance are unprofessional against elite oppositions.
Firing a coach can be a solution or it can be something that will bring new problems, depending on who the coach is and how he performs when replacing the current coach. Leverkusen did well when they sacked their coach and appointed Xabi to manage them. Chelsea failed several times when sacking coaches because their new coach turned out to be the same as their previous coach.
The risk is always there when sacking a coach, and I would also say it depends on their luck in appointing a new coach, who may or may not make them better.
2419  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: November 19, 2023, 05:31:19 PM
No disrespect but Indonesia is not a football country that much should be expected of them in the WC qualifier, in my opinion they played their best against Iraq which was a better side than them. Indonesia next game is against the Philippines who lost their home match 0:2 in favour of Vietnam on Thursday. If the Indonesian team can give a brilliant fight as a home team playing against the Vietnam in their next game there's a chance that they will put some smiles on the faves of their faces by winning the game. Supposing Indonesia doesn't win it's gonna end in a draw, that's my prediction.
Of a truth, Indonesia is one of the countries in the Asian continent that aren't know for quality football but it's also worthy to note that the team that thrashed them by 5:1 are also not known for their footballing  talents or potentials.
Indonesia I think should've done better than they did in that game but they failed to play well and hot battered by Iraq
Many of the Indonesian players underperformed in this match, it can be said that almost 90% of them played below standard. Travel and fatigue may have been one of the reasons, and also Indonesia is a country that rarely or never plays away matches on FIFA Matcday, except in competitions.
If we look at the difference between their game against Argentina a while ago, I think we will see a huge difference in the way their defense works. And the goals that came to Indonesia were mostly due to their own mistakes that Iraq managed to capitalize on.
2420  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 19, 2023, 05:03:53 PM
Modern football requires a goalkeeper who can build attacks from the ground with his accurate passing. But what happened to Machester United is that they neglected the things that a goalkeeper should have, namely good reflexes and also a good reading of the direction of the ball, and that is now not shown by Onana.
I would largely agree and say the same thing about Manchester United, which is that they have made a mistake in discarding David de Gea, although his weakness is not having good passing, in my opinion it is a weakness that can be corrected.
Build up isn't a must for goalkeeper, it's a must for defensive midfielder. Manchester United don't have enough good defenders to use that strategy, even Bayern Munich that having strong defenders yet still struggle when they have a bad goalkeeper.

Ten Hag don't have a vision, he don't know which player is good and fit with Manchester United's players.
Yes, it is not a must for goalkeepers, but goalkeepers who have the ability to do so have a plus point in this era of modern football. But again I say that it should not neglect the abilities of a goalkeeper that should be, as in the points I made earlier.
Now what happens to David de Gea is, when he is considered not to have good passing accuracy coupled with their defense that is not better organized. No matter how good a player is, he will not have a good pass when his teammates cannot open up space and can move without the ball.
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