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2521  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SIM] Simcoin - A Simple Coin on: April 08, 2014, 09:27:59 PM
I think you would have been better off staying with nxt instead of branching off.  No matter how you label it... Simcoin is still a clone and knockoff of nxt.

I suggest you continue to stay and help to develop nxt instead of starting your own alt coin.

The key to success in any alt coin is getting large scale adoption by the public, not coming out with new and fancy whizz bang features that nobody understands.

Its better for all of us to unite and dig a well that is 1 cm wide and a kilometer deep then to spread out and dig 1000 wells that are only a cm deep.

Pretty much any fancy pants feature that anyone can dream up cryptos has been thought out... yours isn't any original despite what you think.

The key is to get the code out.. not dream up new features or new clone coins.

Nxt has already "taken" the title as being the new kid on the block created from scratch...

If you come out with simcoin it can never proclaimed to be created from scratch it'll just be another clone of nxt in the history of cryptos.

I'm saying this not to rain on your parade but to encourage everyone to take the coins we already have on the market n actually make it work in real life and not just in theory.

Anyone coming out with a new coin at this stage in crypto history is only gonna be seen as a "get rich quick" for the inventor and nothing more.

If you have a stake in nxt n decide to invest in a clone of nxt... do not fool yourself into thinking that you are diversifying ur investments.

All u r doing is encouraging talent to go somewhere else instead of focusing on nxt.

The grass is not always greener on the other side folks.

Peace
Tai Zen
Agreed, all these knockoffs just weaken NXT and will never be as valuable as NXT, we need to work together as a team instead of forking coins.
2522  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: April 08, 2014, 10:53:32 AM
Well i wish i knew about this coin too! I was too busy mining other coins, but it seems people were complaining about it because the developers dropped the number of coins down to 22 million, making the difficulty higher, i also think there was a bug in the code that was giving a high block reward for the first few blocks before they patched it.
2523  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: April 08, 2014, 10:33:40 AM
Hi Can anyone help me here?
I can no longer get NRS running, when try and access NRS in my browser, im just getting page not displayed, i though my firewall had something to do with it, but it appears not, the day before it stopped working, whenever i went to unlock my account it would just hang there and do nothing, and now i cant even get into it at all.
I see also im now starting to have trouble with NXT solaris and  sometimes i cant connect to the network and it gives a red bar on the bottom right hand corner of the screen.

TIA for any help
Smiley
2524  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: April 07, 2014, 09:05:36 PM
When do the votes start for the logos anyway?
2525  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: April 07, 2014, 01:31:16 AM
How does darksend compare to fedoracoin or anoncoin anyway?
2526  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: April 07, 2014, 12:57:32 AM
Firstly, Darksend should be rebranded to "DarkPay"
Secondly, when the new logo is launched, it should totally replace the logo that has been pasted ontop of the litecoin wallet logo, looks unprofessional.
Thirdly, darksend, or whatever it may be rebranded as, should be implemented ASAP.
2527  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: April 06, 2014, 08:02:31 AM
Hi,
assuming that the equation shown in the OP equals to the network coins per day, here is a pretty accurate profit calculator complete with USD and BTC conversions and electricity fees.
http://chaosagent.org/darkcalc
I do need more info on card hashrates and power draws though, pm me or quote me if you want to help.
Can i haz bounty? Cheesy

Re-Check your calculations. It seems that something is wrong with them.. I am quite positive mine were right and for 2100Mh/s mine showed a little bit under 2DRK per day (for an average difficulty set to 460).. while yours give me about 1.2DRK.. quite a large margin..
Im getting a little over 4 Dark per day with 4 MH
2528  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: April 05, 2014, 10:01:49 AM
As slick as the black & white logo is, I think it sends the wrong message. It says, "we're trying to look badass". To me, it's the style of logo better suited to companies targeting a youth market, like energy drinks or extreme sports or gaming peripherals. In the context we're competing in (finance), it makes us look unprofessional/young/inexperienced, or like we're overcompensating.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=extreme+sports+logo&espv=210&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X

http://breezycreativedesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Mother-energy-drink-logo-design.jpg

http://cdn.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/razer-hd-61537.jpg


No-one can deny that these don't all look cool. But they're not suited to finance, where trust & reliability are super important.

+1

The press only want to write about something controversial. If we give them dark themes they will write about the negative side. This keeps adoption low and the price low.



Those that want anonymity for nefarious reasons will still use the coin. They will give a price boost to darkcoin when darksend is ready. But they are not the target audience, IMO.

The articles in the press when darksend is out will have an illegal usage bias. We should be aiming for greater debate about anonymity from the blockchain. That way we get compared to bitcoin and an alternative to bitcoin from the word go.

Without question - this comparison will boost the price of darkcoin.

On that front, zerocash will be out in May. We don't want to let them be written about as the default alternative to bitcoin for those that want anonymity. Especially if we give it to them cheaply by holding back our brand message.

It may be uncool, but banks and financial services is supposed to be BORING. You don't want exotic people and organisations looking after your money.  Slick, elegant, upstanding, dependable, safe, trusted. These are the sort of brand messages we want to convey.

In an effort to appeal to our greed, a sensible approach can make you rich.

You want people to able to talk freely about darkcoin at dinner table conversation without having to preface their words by saying, "I know it's mainly used for buying guns and drugs, but I like using it because......'
I quite agree with what you say, but we need to promote privacy as a feature, of course this coin will be used for illegal activity, but privacy is just important for regular users who dont want people to see how many funds they have in their wallet, such things should be kept confidential, so if a receiver doesnt know the address from the sender, thats a good thing.

I dont think that the name should be changed at all, but it does suggest its a shady coin or something from the underground.
I feel that the current logo is not suitable, but i dont see anything wrong with this one below, its sleek, no fancy colours, looks professional, clean cut and clear to read.
https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FfIhcGBNh.jpg&t=538&c=xGVYf5ykeM2MXA
2529  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: April 05, 2014, 07:55:53 AM
couldn't help it.



my fave




ROTFL!!!
THAT IS AWESOME!
I think its safe to say this logo is going to be the pick! Cheesy
2530  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: April 05, 2014, 02:50:28 AM
There can't be any discussion - these are all too colourful. The one that Evan really liked is definitely the slickest one. It's really sharp and aggressive and looks amazingly professional.
Too colorful? There are only 2 colors on logos showed above. Orange and gray ; blue and black. I don't think it is too colorful  Smiley

You're right it's not that bad. Of course this is the one I'm taking about.



It struck me right away as being the perfect mix of style and substance. It definitely looks like something I would use regularly to make payments. I can imagine myself saying "do you take darkcoin?" in any store in the future with a logo like that. Anyways that's my opinion of course.



+10000 for this one  Shocked
Agreed!
This is the only one i like!
2531  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: April 04, 2014, 09:31:54 PM
This logo is my pick!
https://i.imgur.com/FHsiQ04.jpg

And Dark Pay sounds ALOT better than Dark Send!
2532  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: April 04, 2014, 09:46:06 AM
I do agree that "dark" suggests this coin is for shady or illegal purposes, however i think the name can stay, but change it for darksend.
The brandname should be registered as a trademark to prevent copycats also, this should apply to all cryptocoins.
2533  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: April 04, 2014, 09:15:54 AM
instead of Dark Send, something like "Invisible Pay" or something along the lines that suggests invisibility or anonymity of a transaction is whats needed.
2534  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: April 04, 2014, 09:04:49 AM
Any views on Charlie Lee, founder of Litecoin, on X11 being less secure than scrypt?

His comment:
https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=18166.msg153436#msg153436

The back story to the comment:

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=18166.msg152706#msg152706

Quote
X11 is Far Worse
X11 suffers from the problems stemming from increased propagation latency and slow verification, and adds even worse susceptibility to ASIC advantage.  It is a mere mishmash of 11 separate algorithms that are now GPU mineable (according to Darkcoin’s homepage).  Anything GPU mineable can be implemented in custom hardware.  To make matters worse, ASIC’s could even have a major speedup advantage over GPU’s.   adam3mus said, “it does seem likely that eg if the unused space due to heat can be filled with the other hashes, then it can all be pipelined together and no slowdown.  the only cost is replicating different hash functions which doesnt seem particularly hard”

So a switch to X11 only delays the inevitable.  Switching the hash to X11 would only spite the current manufacturers while ultimately failing in the goal of preventing ASIC’s later.  It gets even worse.  If the cost of entry for a particular PoW is very high by design, that increases the chance of fewer competing manufacturers entering a market.  This is the worst possible outcome for any Bitcoin-like network that relies upon large quantities of greedy miners to outdo each other to maintain network security.

The quoted adam3mus is a brain on legs. He knows far too much about hashing, I think he invented hashcash wash was used to make bitcoin feasible. He does, however, suffer from alt-coin phobia.

Litecoin/Vertcoin (Scrypt and Scrypt-N) have made two choices that will boomerang in the long-term.

1) Declaring asic immunity (which is false - one only needs to see vertcoin's title that says "no more asics") and using it as a selling point. Litecoin discovered their claim was bogus when it was GPU mineable. They are true when they say that if a hash can be GPU-mined, it can be ASICed. Same is true for scrypt, scryptN, x11 etc.

2) Using much RAM as a cost-deterrent. This will only make ASICs much more expensive than normal ASICs and if it works as they say it will, then it will have the unintended consequence that scrypt and particularly scrypt-N ASICs will be out of reach for most people => worse decentralization in terms of hashing power.

Theoretically x11 hashes are easier to implement on ASIC (as single hashes - as a chained hash we'll see how it goes). But x11 asics will eventually be cheaper for the masses (better asic decentralization) as they do not carry the ram cost that will make scryptN asics much more expensive.

In any case, when a new mining equipment comes out that is orders of magnitude faster, it should be available to everyone for fairness reasons. Coins that will try to remain at the GPU-only phase will always have the threat of ASIC on the horizon on what would happen if an ASIC came along. It will be a dejavu situation with early February over here and cpu mining vs fears of gpu miners being available in the wild. And if a coin like Vert states it will change PoW when ASICs are out, then they've opened their cards and ASIC manufacturers will outplay them: They'll make the ASICs and use it to mine scryptN networks while these networks are oblivious to ASICs existence. I did an estimation that if a manufacturer makes a few ASICs that capture 30% of an enlarged scryptN market in the next year that produces something like 1000 BTC per day in altcoins, then it's 300 BTC per day in profit / 9000 BTC per month. Even if BTC is at 500$ it'll be 4.5mn USD per month - and this power will masquarade as GPU power. If BTC is at 1000, we are talking about 9mn per month.

Btw, I laugh when I see gpu miners talk about their "concerns" on decentralization. We all know that miners go to large pools irregardless of the hashpower concentration as they don't care that much. In order to avoid variance, they can go to pools with 20-30-50% of the hashpower and then complain that ASICs will be bad for centralization and bad for the network.
I dont think that X11 will be easy to make work on ASICs at all, not impossible, but extremely expensive to develop, think about it, you have 11 different algorithms that need to be processed, an ASIC is designed for one application, hence the name "application specific" in this case we have had SHA-256 and now Scrypt ASICs coming onto the market, the big difference is that with X11 ASIC's is that they probably will have to develop 11 different ASIC chips for each algorithm in the unit or integrate all of them into one chip, this will make the development costs far higher.
Scrypt-n is a joke, the hashrate is halved from that of scrypt, which is bad enough for mining vertcoin, look how hard it is to mine the things, i can get just under 2 vertcoins a day at 1500 KH.
I would like to see a coin that had the ability to change to random hashing algorithms including newly developed ones so that they could always stay on top of the ASIC game.
2535  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: April 04, 2014, 08:44:07 AM
Yeah i thought that was one of the better ones too.
2536  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: April 04, 2014, 08:11:57 AM
Logo competition update

117 crowdsourced designs have come in, and can be viewed here: https://www.darkcointalk.org/threads/logo-designs-all-please-view-discuss.205/

Selection process will be as follows (this will all happen on darkcointalk.org, not here):

Day 1. Post all the designs for people to look at & discuss, including the current logo and earlier community generated designs.
Day 2. I will post a draft subset of these that I've narrowed down for inclusion in the first vote (people can debate inclusions/exclusions).
Day 3. First vote will be posted, and it will be open for 48 hrs. First vote will include the preselected subset with modifications based on discussion on day 2.
Day 5. Depending on how close vote 1 is, a final 48 hr vote may be called with the top x number of submissions.

Darkcoin team will officially retain the right to veto & call re-votes, in case democracy-by-online-poll goes horribly wrong, although I don't anticipate that happening.

I do have to say that most of those designs submitted are terrible, some of them look almost identical to the digibyte logo!
Those ones should be removed ASAP!
There are a handful of logos i really like, but personally i dont see anything with the current logo.
Is it too late to submit a design?
I may put something together if i have time this weekend. Smiley
2537  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: April 04, 2014, 07:35:24 AM
Thats why POW coins are not sustainable.
NXT has a real future once the jolly things get distributed, since no expensive mining farms are required.
There is not enough room for all these altcoins,  there is only enough room for 5 or 6 coins max i reckon.
Most of these coins will be dead in 12 months, the hard thing is trying to predict what ones will be successfull.

I can't find a way for anything you said here to be valid. Please convince me.

I know a lot of people have stated in many articles that they believe only 5 or 6 coins will ultimately survive.  But the more I think about it, the more I can see many  more coins finding a nitch if more of the population start to use them.  It will be interesting to see where we are 10, 15, 20 years from now.  The press is printing gloom and doom again.  It's so silly, people obviously don't truly understand the value crypto coins bring to the market.  But of course time will tell!

I agree with you. Once crypto becomes ubiquitous and we all have payment apps on our smartphones, the door is wide open for altcoins and the competition will expand to fill every niche in the market. There's no reason these apps couldn't support payment via any altcoin, either directly or seamlessly converted to the merchant's desired coin via an exchange. I could pick DarkKitty3000Coin on my phone, swipe at the terminal, and the merchant receives BTC. It'll happen.
I guess something like that would work, i would really like to see a wallet that integrates all your wallets from various cryptos blockchains into one, would be alot of work, especially with all the new altcoins popping up, but would make it alot easier.
Something based on multibit would be great and if it had the function to connect to an exchange then you could make conversion a breeze.
My hard drive is going to fill up if i download any more wallets and sync the blockchains!
2538  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: April 04, 2014, 06:32:36 AM
I am mining with an R9-280x and a 7970
I am only getting 2 MH per card, but from what i read i should expect 2.4 MH per card, is this correct?
If so what are the ideal settings for SG miner?
I wish i mined this coin from the start! Apparently with that hashrate, i would have mined 300-400 darkcoins a day!

Do you have the right / latest sgminer (based on 4.1)?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=475795.0
Yes i believe so, but ill check, i downloaded mine from the official blackcoin page.

i have 280x`s and 7970 and can only get 2 MH per card which i believe is the norm using sph 4.1, with 290`s you can get 2.5 MH.

Some people are reporting 2.4MH whith theirs thats all, but they are probably doing some serious overclocking...
2539  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: April 04, 2014, 05:42:30 AM
Yes camosoul, i am fairly new, but im not stupid, i understand how cryptos work, i myself work in the IT field (are these coins just for geeks?) lol
But are you saying i should keep all my coins whether they are doge digibyte, mintcoin etc?
Will they all rise relative to bitcoin?
I dont like the limited distribution of NXT, but i still get attracted to its system and design, so in turn i have been mining at hashrate.org for them.
Will all these altcoins retain some value or become completley worthless?
Im looking into the future here in a situation when these cryptos are used in retail shops, where retailers cant wait for a transaction to complete, hence why speed is the most important aspect. The volatility of cryptos is a nightmare for retailers at present also, since the price drops up and down like a yo-yo. That will be the biggest hurdle, but hopefully this is wont be a problem after adoption.
2540  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | ASIC Resistant on: April 04, 2014, 05:14:19 AM
Thats why POW coins are not sustainable.
NXT has a real future once the jolly things get distributed, since no expensive mining farms are required.
There is not enough room for all these altcoins,  there is only enough room for 5 or 6 coins max i reckon.
Most of these coins will be dead in 12 months, the hard thing is trying to predict what ones will be successfull.

I can't find a way for anything you said here to be valid. Please convince me.

I know a lot of people have stated in many articles that they believe only 5 or 6 coins will ultimately survive.  But the more I think about it, the more I can see many  more coins finding a nitch if more of the population start to use them.  It will be interesting to see where we are 10, 15, 20 years from now.  The press is printing gloom and doom again.  It's so silly, people obviously don't truly understand the value crypto coins bring to the market.  But of course time will tell!
I just wish i had a time machine, because i would know for sure what coin(s) will succeed!
I need to know, because i cant wast my time and money mining coins that are not going to be worth anything! lol
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