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2561  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: May 29, 2014, 02:15:56 AM
 Ethereum is another copywrighting coin (with probable poor distribution) and we all know how they end up.  Mastercoin and Maidsafe are older examples.  Copywrighting coins all technically belong to the "Max Keiser" / "Max Coin" community, strong presence on YouTube and on copywrighting websites but the average person doesn't have time these days to watch boring long videos or read 2000 word articles about some coin.  

I think the conceptual error in marketing is that people will market their coin / product as the "second coming", when they should be marketing a relevant utility to the consumer.  People threw money at Dogecoin because it was a cute puppy meemee, it brought them that sort of utility.  People threw money at Litecoin, only thinking that it would make them a millionaire during the BTC boom in November.

2562  Other / Off-topic / Re: Well I was going to start a campaign to get me home to my grandmother on: May 28, 2014, 07:35:21 AM
you live in arkansas? what is the otc bitcoin market like there? i mean to say -- if you were able to garner donations to the effect of $200 (in bitcoins), would you be able to sell them for cash where you are? i am in a major city, and sometimes it seems difficult to sell coins for cash. (other times -- like in a raging bull market, my phone is ringing off the hook)

I honestly don't know, I've only been down here 7 months helping my mother out around the house and what not. I haven't had a chance to look around. The city i'm in right now is complete devoid of any entertainment value so I doubt any of them know what a bitcoin is.

actually, i suppose you could use localbitcoins.com to make an online bank transfer or other similar method that wouldn't limit you to the arkansas area. at current rates, you'd need about .35 bitcoins for $200.

Yeah, but honestly at this point everyone thinks I'm making this up as if I'm just magically pulling out 3 sick relatives out of thin air and it's some pretend sob story. I don't have any assets, I'm sorry this is the worst post I think I've ever made. I don't want to talk about it anymore because it's making me angry, why are people so skeptical about things like this? This is a legit request that I was going to make, I even made a blogspot for few weeks ago *before* I knew the timeframe of my grandmother. I just knew she had liver cancer, and that she was going to live 2 or 3 more years tops. Then I get a text from my aunt saying 2 months, and then it's been bumped up to 6-8.

The worst part about this? Is nobody is telling my grandmother about it at all. Nobody wants to tell her she's only going to live that much longer. Even though she'll be 89 in July they are afraid she'll end it now. She has a terminal illness and doesn't know her own lifespan.

Anyways, I don't know what else I can do to make this sound legit.

people are always going to be skeptical.. especially the ones on this forum. they are quick to call someone a troll or scammer without vetting. they probably base their opinion on the past, since there are so many scammers or trolls. i think it's foolish to come to a conclusion without sufficient evidence, but they think it's smart.

"I need money for a bus ticket" is the oldest scam in the book.

Don't believe the sob story, the guy just revived some forgotten Bitcointalk account to try to make himself more authentic.
2563  Other / Off-topic / Re: I feel like bitcoin is a losing battle on: May 28, 2014, 02:22:14 AM
what are you trying to tell us here

Must be some kind of roleplaying or fiction writer.  Apparently the guy has been on the poverty line for well over five years now.

If that were me, would had learned by maybe year #1 to either..

A.  Get a job
B.  If can't find a job, then learn to sell drugs or panhandle
C.  Relocate to North Dakota / Alberta and make $$$
2564  Other / Off-topic / Re: I feel like bitcoin is a losing battle on: May 28, 2014, 02:03:58 AM
Not sure what you could had done different.  Finding out about Bitcoin at $14 was too late.  What kind of money could you had expect?   $1000 at $14 is only around $40,000 today - not enough money for a man in your predicament, who has to help two sick parents and save his home.  Now if you claimed you knew about Bitcoin when it was only a few cents then that would be something else.

There is some hope in alternates but that requires immense foresight.  People bought a share of NxT at 1.5 BTC back in October (which then was maybe $300) and now they have $2+ million each.  If you had invested $10,000 into Darkcoin a month ago, you would be a rich guy right now.

I don't see why you can't get involved in alternates.   You apparently have money for an internet connection and some kind of shelter arrangement.

Although all this stuff is equivalent to winning the lottery.  Bitcoin only created like maybe 500 millionaires (not counting sockpuppet wallets) and NxT only created maybe 5 (not counting sockpuppets).  This is compared to perhaps 2 million people who use Bitcoin around the world, so the distribution of wealth is worse than real world distribution.
2565  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Italy to add drug trafficking, prostitution to GDP figures on: May 27, 2014, 01:22:31 PM
Good to see that the EU economy is doing so very well. Makes you wonder what all that fuss was about last year.

 Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh

The EU economy is not doing well. Many of the member states such as Spain, Greece, Italy and Cyprus are close to collapse (we can add France, Portugal, Belgium.etc to the list very soon). Only Germany is performing well right now.

Fought WW2 to stop German conquest of Europe but they still did it after the war with EU.

Without EU most countries would be better off and Germans poorer
2566  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is the West gearing up to invade Russia once again? on: May 26, 2014, 02:07:43 PM
they can try..but nobody can invade Russia; that means Nuke war



The threat is real. Russia is having the best Intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) in the world right now (SS-27, SS-29.etc). And their S-300 and S-400 air defence system is also the best in the world.

If you think nuclear weapons exist in the way you think they do. 
People who got firebombed in WW2 and Vietnam got cancer like those in Hiroshima.   People question the moon landing and 9/11 but think bugs bunny nukes exist.

Though Russia does have all the missiles and other toys which definitely are real.
2567  Other / Politics & Society / Re: National Russian card payment system established on: May 26, 2014, 01:55:11 PM
Russia's GDP is smaller than California, so meh.

on the other hand Visa takes a 1% to 4% of your sales in fees, when a lot of businesses make less than 5% of revenue in net profit.  A cheaper Russian alternative would help Russian businesses and keep the money in Russia
2568  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Wikipedia erase jew orgin of Poroshenko. on: May 26, 2014, 11:52:41 AM
EDIT: I was replying to a question, that later got deleted. The question was, what does it all have to do with his election as a figurehead.

It's the facts itself. An oligarch in Russia and Ukraine is almost synonymous with Jew (Beresovskij, Kolomojskij, Hodorkovskij, Gusinskij, Abramovish, Valtsman, Vekselberg, Ahmetov). Many try to hide their origins, to make themselves more presentable "for the general consumption". It often backfires.

I've never heard of Ahmetov being a Jew.  If you think being a blonde haired Tatar is impossible - I should point out that those Tatars were originally European in appearance, the Cumans were named after their blonde hair and the Volga Bulgurs (ancestors of the Kazan Tatars) were Caucasian in appearance.  The dark Asian Tatar which describes 90%+ of Tatars today was the result of intermixing with the Mongols.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga_Bulgarians
2569  Other / Off-topic / Re: Whats going on in america? on: May 26, 2014, 08:25:20 AM
I was reading my local newspaper and (adjusted for inflation) purchasing power for working adults has only increased by 2% since 1980, but the price of housing has increased 10 fold, gasoline several times, there's less jobs and many people are stuck with student loans which will take a decade to pay off.

I personally think it has nothing to do with energy costs.  The biggest economic woe is due to all the cheap capital from fractional reserve banking which has resulted in bubbles.  If people weren't paying down a 40 year mortgage on a $500K starter home, they would have more disposable income and disposable income is what results in jobs.



2570  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is cryptocurrency millionaire dream a thing of the past? on: May 26, 2014, 07:04:18 AM
When* Bitcoin becomes a million dollars a coin it will make millionares out of people that recently bought/mined coins. The trick is patience, and when you think it's time to sell, Dont. Set goals for yourself and stick with them. Don't let emotion set it. Could you imagine people that bought coins at say $10 and then selling them all during a $40 peak? They needed plan, how many coins they wanted to keep and what percentage of a rake they would take at whatever levels of bitcoin price.


TLDR: Yes Bitcoins will still make millionares out of recent investors.

Million dollars per coin would be in the quintillions. . whereas the capitalization of the entire planet is around 30 trillion (Quintillion is 10,000 Trillion).  Bitcoin being worth quintillions would have to be reliant on $Fiat hyperinflation.

2571  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Best Alt coin to invest in 2014 on: May 26, 2014, 06:32:39 AM
The more and more research i do, it keeps bringing me back to the fact that NXT is the only way to go.
I do also hold a small amount of Darkcoin, Megacoin, Blackcoin, Stabilityshares and Silkcoin.

I dont know much about the future of DRK, it could fall over, just have to wait and see i guess, look at all the problems they have had today with it having multiple forks, this was caused by a chain reaction from the masternodes.

if anyone wants to know why there is sych a buzz about nxt.. read this

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=596894.msg6938005#msg6938005

ps. thats not even everything.. theres more i just couldnt of been arsed goin into more detail lol

Completley agree, besides, NXT is so cheap right now, its silly not to hold some amount of NXT.
People will be killing themselves that they didnt in 12 months.

ya you tell people this stuff and they still dont listen.. its shocking.. its like yelling at someone that your handing them a winning lotto ticket and out of blind stupidity they pull out a slipper and tell you its guna make them rich lol

 A lot of these supposed points about NxT rest on the assumption that they are forever proprietary, when they are not.

As well I fail to see how anyone new could get rich from Nxt.  NxT already has a bad infamous reputation over its' distribution and that's not something which will go away.

If I hypothetically put in $1000 into NxT today - I have to wait for NxT to later be worth $50 billion just to see a return of $1 million, which has a fat chance of ever happening since people don't want to throw money at what is essentially a "get quick rich scheme" for the whales.


Well thats the thing its NOT a get rich quick scheme at all, im in it for the long run, you are obviously after a quick profit of $1 million

Say that to the whales who bought it at nothing and engaged in price manipulated after November.

Don't straw man my words, NxT is a get quick rich scheme for the dozen large whale who dominate it.
2572  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is the West gearing up to invade Russia once again? on: May 26, 2014, 05:45:16 AM
I've been to Riga and they already have problems with low class British on stag vacations, which none of the public likes - unless you like drunken lots who urinate on statues and pass out half naked on the street in women's clothing.  Adding an American military base would only compound and cause Latvians to hate 'Anglos' even more - Riga would be the next Manila in no time.

This might be slightly off-topic, but I want to pint out that Russian-speakers comprise the majority in Riga, unlike the other parts of Latvia where the ethnic Latvians predominate. Another factor which can result in anti-Anglo clashes.

I doubt ethnic Latvians are anymore enthusiastic about foreign British or Americans in their country.  It's great for the hotel and bar owners but, these days in globalized capital, even those people may not be Latvian or Russian in Riga.
2573  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is cryptocurrency millionaire dream a thing of the past? on: May 26, 2014, 05:30:25 AM
But now its entering mainstream adoption..

Is it? I haven't seen anyone using Bitcoin in my "mainstream" encounters.



Rt news, BBC, CNN , and what not bitcoin is reported in all the channels and millions of viewers are aware of it...now its mainstream right

Mainstream but I don't know anyone who is lining up to buy them.  If I recalled they've opened that new ATM in Amsterdam and were surprised that, effectively, nobody was interested in using the machine.  I don't hear anyone in the mainstream talking about China - all their concerns, months ago, was MtGox and general skepticism about the technology.

Honestly if Bitcoin or any digital coin were to grow then it's reliant on educating people to use these coins over money transmitters like Western Union.



2574  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: DARKCOIN Speculations on: May 26, 2014, 05:20:15 AM
Proof that it is NOT another "Pump of the Month" ?

Aurora
Maza
Vertcoin
Mintcoin
Blackcoin

Same ol' $hit, gets pumped up overnight, then it crashes and then people are stuck holding the bag.


Anonymity doesn't mean chit unless you're a pedophile looking to hide something, and is it still anonymous if your exchange needs your banking information to convert your coins into $Fiat?  Is anonymity really proprietary?   NxT is probably copying that feature as we speak.
2575  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Best Alt coin to invest in 2014 on: May 26, 2014, 05:17:50 AM
The more and more research i do, it keeps bringing me back to the fact that NXT is the only way to go.
I do also hold a small amount of Darkcoin, Megacoin, Blackcoin, Stabilityshares and Silkcoin.

I dont know much about the future of DRK, it could fall over, just have to wait and see i guess, look at all the problems they have had today with it having multiple forks, this was caused by a chain reaction from the masternodes.

if anyone wants to know why there is sych a buzz about nxt.. read this

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=596894.msg6938005#msg6938005

ps. thats not even everything.. theres more i just couldnt of been arsed goin into more detail lol

Completley agree, besides, NXT is so cheap right now, its silly not to hold some amount of NXT.
People will be killing themselves that they didnt in 12 months.

ya you tell people this stuff and they still dont listen.. its shocking.. its like yelling at someone that your handing them a winning lotto ticket and out of blind stupidity they pull out a slipper and tell you its guna make them rich lol

 A lot of these supposed points about NxT rest on the assumption that they are forever proprietary, when they are not.

As well I fail to see how anyone new could get rich from Nxt.  NxT already has a bad infamous reputation over its' distribution and that's not something which will go away.

If I hypothetically put in $1000 into NxT today - I have to wait for NxT to later be worth $50 billion just to see a return of $1 million, which has a fat chance of ever happening since people don't want to throw money at what is essentially a "get quick rich scheme" for the whales.
2576  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is cryptocurrency millionaire dream a thing of the past? on: May 26, 2014, 04:54:57 AM
The boat sailed for Bitcoin.

In 2009 - you mined for (almost) free on any junk computer or bought when it was $0.005 cents.  $200 in 2009 = $24 million in 2014.  Those gains can't be repeated anymore.  Just to make a million dollars from $1000 today,  the capitalization has to hit $6 trillion which is almost no chance of happening (unless the US enters into hyperinflation and a Coca Cola costs $1200  Grin ).


There's easy money in some alternates.  The people who invested 1.5 BTC in NxT in September 2013 made $2+ million in 2014.  If NxT hits Bitcoin's valuation, these people will be worth $200+ million.  

Eventually these things all come home to roost, no?  It kinds of makes a lot of these coins look like ponzi schemes, since only a very small handful of people (always less than 30 big initial wallets) seem to possess everything and they bought in at nothing.

2577  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is the West gearing up to invade Russia once again? on: May 26, 2014, 04:13:27 AM
^^^ A majority of the Latvians will not realize it until it is too late. They are blinded by extreme Russophobia. Some of them will wake up, once the American marines behave like what they have been doing in Okinawa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident



Supposedly the American soldiers in Latvia, as per the joint-exercise Sabre Strike, were complaining about the cold weather as they didn't bring any winter clothing.  These Americans, prior to being shipped, obviously didn't know anything about Latvia.

I've been to Riga and they already have problems with low class British on stag vacations, which none of the public likes - unless you like drunken lots who urinate on statues and pass out half naked on the street in women's clothing.  Adding an American military base would only compound and cause Latvians to hate 'Anglos' even more - Riga would be the next Manila in no time.
2578  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evidence of Neo Nazi in Ukrainian military units. on: May 26, 2014, 03:42:53 AM
Local people pay different price.owner and they hire people to farm the land for them, that is how my cousin had a summer job during university, he was a literal farmer with no supe

Most likely the estate agency trying to find sucker abroad.

That is the problem. For example, farmland in Ukraine costs just around 1/20th of that in the United Kingdom. Right now, there are limits on the purchases of agricultural land by the foreigners. Once Ukraine joins the EU, those restrictions will be lifted and 90% of the Ukrainian farmland will end up with large corporations such as Monsanto.

Ukraine doesn't need Monsanto or any capital - they already have billionaires with more capital than they know what to do with it.

  Lifting foreign ownership is largely just going to result in land speculators who won't do anything with the land, they'll just introduce scarcity and make it painful for China and the Arabs who want to lease Ukrainian land for food production (foreign investors who want to create jobs for local Ukrainians, unlike the speculators).

I'm familiar with this in my locale - a lot of the best farming land has been untouched for decades as it's all owned by speculating foreign Germans who aren't doing anything with the land, which largely has resulted in negative consequences in employment and food costs due to scarcity of land.




2579  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: May 26, 2014, 02:47:26 AM
I do noticed a slight upswing in dissent compared to prior months.  Which seems to be irrational as there are currently more updates and content data releases in the past 30 days than in the past months altogether.  I do agree with the statement that, if you bringing negativity, then you are not forced to be here and should surrender your stake so someone else may become a positive participant.

That's not me being a shill but if you're being a 'tard, then you should be a 'tard on someone else's thread (not here) - others who had missed out on being participants would like to come in.

I theorize the dissent may be a reaction the recent (slight) upswing in BTC value.  Months ago Bitcoin was rather stagnating, but now Bitcoin looks like it might be poised to rebound or even leap past its' old capitalization record, and some stakeholders are afraid NEM may miss out on that.  


There is a degree of impatience and emotional exaggeration, I accept, when considering these stakes were reserved for variable amounts less than .10 BTC - I cannot rationalize how one can truly be 'upset' when effectively they were able to reserve a stake, with the equivalent of lunch money, which will in an immediate timeframe after launch will likely worth several thousand and long term, perhaps, even millions.
2580  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evidence of Neo Nazi in Ukrainian military units. on: May 26, 2014, 01:24:44 AM
Probably the same.  Houses in every country remain on market for years, even decades, until they find some sucker to buy it off them.  Eastern Europe is full of terrible homes that are listed for $500K+, like it's a joke.  Grin

Local people pay different price.

Most likely the estate agency trying to find sucker abroad.

Maybe in Bulgaria or Serbia but there's no "pay different price" in most of Eastern Europe.  The real estate bubbles are rather extreme in those countries since no one is building enough new homes - and the lack of building is more a reaction to a lack of consumer purchasing power, what's the point of becoming a builder and building homes if the locals can't afford to buy?  

Many people in Eastern Europe still make less than $10K/year and there isn't cheap credit like in the west, so I don't see this changing anytime soon, there's a lack of incentive for builders to construct.  Therefore an artificial shortage of home will result in existing inventory being overvalued due to scarcity.
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