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2561  Other / Meta / Re: Copper members can do sig bounties? on: September 18, 2018, 12:59:12 PM
Can copper members do sig campaigns at member level?

That depends on whether the campaign accepts them or not and the forum has no say it that. I hope most won't accept them, but I get the feeling most will because they want as many people as possible so denying them is counter productive to their goals.

My wife lost her Jr level due to the changes on merit, she's moody now lol. Can copper members do sig campaigns at member level?

She's really gonna be pissed when she sees that you ranked up melvingay34 instead of her..
Unless your "wife" is MelvinGay then problem solved no?


Yeah, that probably his "wife". Both of them are constant one line shitposters. Not sure why out of all the posts on this forum this is the one that stood out as meritable to him:

That's what most of us are hoping, I'll be  happy if we can get back up to around $10k, even $8k would be nice.

Really hope we make this requirement ten merit to get a signature because that will really stop a lot more of this abuse. One merit is far too easy to get. Ten is a different matter, though still east to get for any actual quality poster.

I really hope you cannot simply buy your way into bounties for the price of a membership.  The prices to become a copper member is so low compared to potential payouts that I feel this avenue will be taken to abuse the system. 

Yeah, the price of it is too low and the worst abusers will just pay it especially when they've already made thousands from farming bounties.
2562  Economy / Reputation / Re: This account is not compromised and is not 'abusing the merit system' on: September 18, 2018, 12:48:53 PM
Let's not be naive here. What it looks like to me is those accounts have been employed by you to bump your thread with fake volume/comments. Is it a coincidence that all the accounts of that page look to be hacked?

These accounts below are just from the last three pages of your thread and have all recently had their details reset and have woken up from a long period of activity:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=220679     Tulpa
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=165124     dark143i
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=29369 speedracerrick69
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=72232     Arrogance
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=25401     hobo
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=314785 Eirecoin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=102512     bnjmnkent
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=199385     macioman
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=162055 missworld
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=209858     dioncodot
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=119698     alkuluku
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=27535     Donald_Norman
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=82082     weirdthall
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=205508 catcoinminer
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=170247 Cesar22
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=298495 cryptzilla
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=313787 glenntalbot
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=29204 sareea
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=115980 hany103
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=136849 slap666
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=138155 hffule
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=25406 ibisy70
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=495378 d-leit
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=316024 sunnyxiong
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=218747 screenman
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=246731 agf
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=137126 quentinn
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=198543 alquinte
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=394451 Sasha00
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=132669 Xtremist
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=98101 ivann



2563  Economy / Reputation / Re: Users abusing merit to level up their alts to Junior Member on: September 18, 2018, 12:45:43 PM

1) lin0sspice changed his email recently: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=183610
2) 8 of newbies from the list woked up at this month: altcoiner-, Tulpa, dark143i, speedracerrick69, Arrogance, hobo, Captain Litecoin, Sasha00

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This just looks like the tip of the shitberg here. Look at the other Member accounts in that thread. All have recently woke up and reset their details recently:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=220679     Tulpa
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=165124     dark143i
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=29369 speedracerrick69
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=72232     Arrogance
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=25401     hobo
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=314785 Eirecoin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=102512     bnjmnkent
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=199385     macioman
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=162055 missworld
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=209858     dioncodot
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=119698     alkuluku
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=27535     Donald_Norman
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=82082     weirdthall
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=205508 catcoinminer
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=170247 Cesar22
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=298495 cryptzilla
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=313787 glenntalbot
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=29204 sareea
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=115980 hany103
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=136849 slap666
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=138155 hffule
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=25406 ibisy70
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=495378 d-leit
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=316024 sunnyxiong
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=218747 screenman
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=246731 agf
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=137126 quentinn
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=198543 alquinte
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=394451 Sasha00
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=132669 Xtremist
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=98101 ivann

Those are just from the last three pages of that thread.
2564  Other / Meta / Re: Use of the NEWS FEED to announce changes in the forum? on: September 18, 2018, 11:31:51 AM
That would be a great idea if members used the news feed. I suspect that most don't.

Well it's kind of there are the top so many people will see it, but I agree this update should be included there. Maybe put it in red as well to grab attention. I think we should probably put a link to the rules up there somewhere also or at least include a link to the 'newbie welcome message' I proposed. That way at least there's a source that includes all the info you need to know here and everyone has the chance to see it which I'm sure most will at some point.
2565  Other / Meta / Re: Copper membership resent statistic/list? on: September 18, 2018, 11:28:50 AM
I requested this somewhere in another thread yesterday. I think it would be helpful if there's some sort of patrol page that lists all the recent users who have purchased the copper membership. Would be good to have just out of interest, but would also be very helpful in spotting huge abuses if farmers suddenly start buying them all in mass with accounts registered around the same time or with similar formatted names etc. I suspect the huge farmers who have been making thousands or even tens of thousands by abusing bounties and sig campaigns aren't going to give up and let this minimal merit change get in their way and will start either purchasing copper memberships or buying the merit and frittering it between all their alts so it's something we should keep an eye on. 
2566  Other / Meta / Re: Easy Way Newbie To Jr. Member Process on: September 18, 2018, 11:15:24 AM

2. You must read forum rules A to Z


I think you should take your own advice and read the rules, specifically the one about double posting.

Why do people with 0 merit have so much advice to give about earning merits?



Because they now desperately need that one merit and hope they get it from giving such advice.

This is clearly an attempt to gain merit yourself, which I hope other users see through before awarding you merit.

Yes Agree with your comment.But I think this is what theymos want to do, new members need to post high quality post to earn their 1 st merit. Not just posting or replying just for bounty campaign.I think new system shows it's importance by this post, actually this is clearly an attempt to get merit himself but he understood he want to create(quality) post. and past I saw many merit rewarded posts like this post. so I don't think he is a dabbler, just let him to grow with new system.

I don't think he wants people to go out of their way to just try get merit, but he wants the quality of content to improve. There's still a long way to go and I still think it's going to take more than just one merit to achieve that.
2567  Other / Meta / Re: Is the new merit system better? on: September 18, 2018, 11:02:14 AM
I think the restricting of signatures is a great first step towards removing the financial incentive for creating multiple accounts.

It would work even better if we require more merit. I think this is a very small step in the right direction but I still think we should go further and remove signatures from Juniors as well. Then you would need ten merit to become a Member and get a signature and that's still not much to ask. That would really sort the wheat from the chaff because at the moment it's not very difficult to get one merit whether you beg, trade or buy it. Ten merit is ten times harder/more costly to get. I don't think everybody should be able to come here and earn via posting straight away because it's that that has destroyed the forum by people who have no idea what they're doing and making them get one merit is just minor a inconvenience for them. Let them earn that right to earn via posting, but I think we need to make it more than one merit. One is fine from going from Newbie to Junior but I don't think it's enough to have a significant impact on the quality of discussions here. It's a small spanner in the works of farmers but they can easily buy or trade the one merit which will also easily go unnoticed in a lot of cases. The ones who have been earning thousands from farming accounts/bounties with hundreds of accounts will have no issue in buying the merit then trading it between their alts so it's not much of a difference to them.
2568  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: September 18, 2018, 10:50:15 AM
But who decides what is a quality itself? What is useful to one may be junk to others. It is pretty subjective.

How do you decide what is quality or not? How do you decide whether you like something or not? Of course it is subjective, but the idea is people will get merit for posts that have clearly had some effort put into them, and those writing exclusively mindless drivel or just claiming bounties won't get any or very little, and that's how it should be.

Basically if i want to fish out some Merits, i have to think how others might think or want, not what i really do Smiley


How about you just make posts as normal without even thinking about merit?

2569  Other / Meta / Re: Wall of fame / shame. Shit posts so bad that they are actually funny on: September 18, 2018, 09:48:13 AM
No worries noobs... you'll be fine as long as you have good words...

Delivering the goods as usual!

I really thought I would find a bonanza of shitposts in meta today that were worthy of inclusion here, with all the newly-demoted newbies whining about "muh marits," but pickings have been surprisingly slim. Still, there was this post by a hero member:

yes, you're right. bounty managers need to extract them. they should be treated honestly. I'm following this carefully. burglars should report to bounty manager.

Does google translate ever work right?!?



Hey Bitcoin has been updated today, be aware of the new regulation...
Quote
Bitcoin is updated today. The new regulations from Bitcoin is that to be a Jr.Member the users should have at least 1 merit. In addition, it is different from recent policy, today policy that if Jr. member doesn't have merit so it becomes newbi. Now my Rank is newbi, indeed I am Jr.member recently while I am participating Signature campaign that requires at least Jr. I am wondering that I will be removed from that projects.  How are other ideas about it

The sad thing is, I think a lot of these people actually think 'bitcoin' is this forum and satoshi created it as a place to earn. They get told by someone "hey, have you heard about bitcoin? I'm doing bitcoin full time from home. It's this forum where you get paid to post" hence, 'doing bitcoin' and why people think this forum is bitcoin (and ironically they're not actually getting paid in bitcoin but ICO tokens). I could be wrong and have misinterpreted their garbled English but I've seen this sort of thing numerous times that makes me think they think otherwise.

No worries noobs... you'll be fine as long as you have good words...

Delivering the goods as usual!

I really thought I would find a bonanza of shitposts in meta today that were worthy of inclusion here, with all the newly-demoted newbies whining about "muh marits," but pickings have been surprisingly slim. Still, there was this post by a hero member:

yes, you're right. bounty managers need to extract them. they should be treated honestly. I'm following this carefully. burglars should report to bounty manager.

Does google translate ever work right?!?



That "Hero" member has some interesting statistics, the account has never received a single merit:
https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=Cornett


Woke up after a nap of 2.5 years, and this is the very first post:

very good project. a new signature campaign is different. but $ 25 a week is a very little payment. will there be a separate signature campaign for the other members?

If I had to guess that's a purchased account.

Yeah, was gonna say. Go onto their third page of posts. Huge gap from December 28, 2015 to May 07, 2018.
2570  Other / Meta / Re: I have performed well on the forum but have not received any merit on: September 17, 2018, 02:16:02 PM
I find myself most of them articles on bounty campaign reporting but I also have many useful articles contributing to the community of the forum.

Such as? You mean the ones you copy and pasted?

I like to share my personal ICO checklist (sorted by descending order of importance):
1. An established company (highly regarded) with a product and a valid company address (not a virtual address). There are just too many ICOs and those that are answerable to the government and subjected to the country’s law have lesser chance of running away overnight.
2. Professional video with their team talking about the ICO including Youtube Interview with bloggers and influencers. This would be very hard to imitate using Fiverr. Alternatively, their ceo and core team would go to roadshows or exhibitions. Scammers wouldn’t dare to go live and reveal their faces in real.
3. If they are a startup, then the top management would make themselves available in social media and answer questions simply because they care! If they are real, they have nothing to hid and you should be able to verify their credentials easily even by talking to them. You should be skeptical if they are always hiding behind the scene and not contactable.
4. Over-emphasis on the rewards or things that sound too good to be true. For example, words like “200% pre-ico bonus” and “ROI in 3 months” should set off an alarm.
5. Be skeptical of ICOs that ask you to send crypto to a personal wallet addresses. As the crowdsale doesn’t use a Smart Contract, it means you have no visibility of the total funds raised at any time and guarantee they will send you the tokens after the ICO ends. It is unfortunate that I’ve seen more and more ICO launchers using this method and investors waiting a lot longer to get their tokens after the ICO ends. Ideally, investors only need to trust the Smart Contract and not the words.
6. Linkedin profiles of top management with recommendations from real verifiable people. You should be skeptical of their profiles if they could survive all these years without any recommendations from anyone.

https://medium.com/@blockchain101/how-to-spot-a-fake-ico-easily-2c670f3b87d8
2571  Other / Meta / Applying to be a merit source on: September 17, 2018, 02:05:02 PM
I've completely run out of merit points. How are the rich going to get richer now? I would post ten examples of excellent posts that I think deserve to be merited that didn't receive any, but how about this exemplary one below? I'd say it's probably easily ten posts in one so it should do and not a single merit received as of writing  Embarrassed. C'mon guys. Don't let merit ruin lives.

I'm glad you did this and it's going to help a lot but I still don't think it goes far enough. Why can't we remove signatures from Juniors as well and require ten merit to get one when they become a Member? Those who have farmed dozens or hundreds/thousands of accounts will just buy or trade the merit or purchase a Copper Membership because when they're making thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars from farming bounties/campaigns this is just a minor inconvenience. Making them get ten merit per account is significantly more difficult and expensive and abuse would also be easier to spot. A lot of one merit abuses will just fly under the radar.

One reason that I was hesitant to do this before is that there are an awful lot of newbie restrictions, and I don't want the forum to be unwelcoming to good newbies. I'll think about tying some of those to activity instead of rank in the future.
 

I don't think it is unwelcoming and good posters won't have much issue in getting ten merit. A truly great post or two could get you that alone. I understand the reasoning that we shouldn't be putting restrictions from actually posting, but removing their signatures or requiring more merit doesn't effect that at all. The issue here is one merit still isn't difficult to get and I'm not sure how much it will dent the people who are doing the most damage here. I think the huge farmers will just cough up money for the Copper Membership or trade merit between themselves if one is all they need. Is there a place that lists all new Copper Memberships purchased? That would be helpful to keep an eye on as if we see hundreds of users purchasing it abuses will still be easy to spot.

Yeah, I understand that it feels a little bit too harsh to implement this new system. However, it helps to contain the current spam problem.

One merit is harsh? It's not harsh enough. It effects a person's ability to post here zero and the worst of abusers here will still just find a way around it.

I think you should consider the ability to buy merit for yourself. You can already effectively do this by way of purchasing a copper membership. Based upon the fact that well under 1% of active users have received a single merit, there need to be additional ways for people who do not post garbage to rank up.

Further, if people are buying access to additional features such as signatures, they have an added incentive to not post crap, and the cost will serve as a deterrent to those who have ranked up from posting complete garbage.  

I would be against buying merit or ranks, but as I have mentioned before buying the benefits of ranks via things like Silver/Gold Memberships should still be considered and would be beneficial in numerous ways.

I think you should consider the ability to buy merit for yourself. You can already effectively do this by way of purchasing a copper membership. Based upon the fact that well under 1% of active users have received a single merit, there need to be additional ways for people who do not post garbage to rank up.

Buying merit or normal ranks is like buying yourself a bunch of trophies to put on your shelf. It's stupid, and it's an insult to everyone who achieved it legitimately. I can't see ever doing that. I don't particularly mind letting people pay for some of the privileges of these things, such as with copper membership, but it should be a parallel system.

As I just said above, I agree, but why not extend this logic to people buying accounts as well? If that's ok then I think we should add the additional Silver and Gold Memberships as there are numerous benefits to this and it significantly reduces the account selling/scamming market. If people can buy accounts here then let them buy the benefits of them from the forum instead which is win win. It's going to happen anyway so why not make it safer for everyone and drive down the demand for farmed and hacked accounts in the process?

Copper membership is good. Now, if you want to participate in signature campaigns, you can either pay the $10-$20 for copper membership or accomplish the herculean task of making one good post. I don't think that it's unreasonable in either case.


I think it's too cheap though. I think we should make Copper Membership as just some sort of basic whitelisting function ie you can post images and post a little faster, but not allow a signature. Then if you want a signature buy the more expensive Silver and Gold Memberships. If you're earning tens of thousands here then paying $10-20 isn't much even over your dozens to hundreds/thousands of accounts, especially if you can make that back with a few posts on a signature campaign.

If people are making good posts but are still struggling to get merit, then that's a problem with the merit system and should be fixed on my end. Demanding money in order to bypass a broken system would be really bad. But AFAICT the merit system actually is reasonably effective at identifying good posters.

Adding more merit sources to meet demand over time will fix this, but you can still either earn merit and ranks the natural way or cough up money to bypass that. You'd still be a zero-merit/activity whatever member so it's not like they're buying ranks but I think buying a bigger signature should be an option, especially if we allow users to do this by buying accounts anyway which is such a shady black market already where scamming is rife.

Hello, my friends.
I understand that this affects the display of images created by TS.

for example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025885.0

I got very upset
  Cry

help me, I ask you

Buy a Copper Membership or get the merit.

It is difficult to receive a Merit from members who have merit. If I say that there are many people selling their merit, do you believe it? .There are people who post hundreds of content but they do not receive any merit.

If you're making hundreds of posts and never get merit then the issue probably lies with you so take a look at your posts and those of others who are getting merit and try work out where you're going wrong.

not all jr.member spamming, but why are we generalized to a newbie, even though many of them are late trying to make good posts, but it's hard now we get merit, are they the ones we fear if many get merit they will feel Compared to the bounty program, I feel that those of us above are worried that if many of us get merit, the amount of prizes from the bounty will decrease because the bounty cursed the pool system, therefore many members here are trading merit and accounts, is this fair, many of them 1 person who has more than 1 account, this is not fair

Boo-hoo. Nobody said all Juniors are spamming. If you can't earn a merit then either buy a Copper Membership or go away.

not all jr.member spamming, but why are we generalized to a newbie, even though many of them are late trying to make good posts, but it's hard now we get merit, are they the ones we fear if many get merit they will feel Compared to the bounty program, I feel that those of us above are worried that if many of us get merit, the amount of prizes from the bounty will decrease because the bounty cursed the pool system, therefore many members here are trading merit and accounts, is this fair, many of them 1 person who has more than 1 account, this is not fair

I quite agree with you, most merit holders don't want to share because they don't want more people competing with them on signature bounty campaigns

Oh do shut up. We don't want people like you who have ruined the forum by copy and pasting content over god knows how many accounts:

The EOS and TRON platforms are shaping up to be great platforms in the crypto space, EOS (EOS) and TRON (TRX) are great blockchain projects that could go on to deliver great results both for their community of investors and the public. EOS seeks to transform and decentralize the cryptocurrency trading industry by providing a platform that makes it easy and cheaper to trade and exchange crypto assets, for me  EOS looks a better proposition for now

https://stocksgazette.com/2018/05/01/eos-eos-vs-tron-trx-which-one-should-you-add-to-your-portfolio/

The reason why altcoins exist is because the original bitcoin software was and is open source, so people made their own varients of bitcoin. Whether or not we need all these altcoins is irrelevent.

https://www.reddit.com/r/altcoin/comments/6gtd10/why_do_we_need_altcoins/

Focus on a consistent  process  and Growing size If you can become consistent in your trading process in terms of executing your edge and your money management, and you have a positive trade expectancy sizing properly is essential for growing your trades.  Some traders trade too big too quickly, which causes inconsistency and usually a large setback.

http://www.staceyburketrading.com/5-ways-improve-trading/

YOU are the reason for why we need these restrictions and why it should be more than just one merit because I'm sure someone would have given one of your copy and pasted posts merit eventually.

I want to add! Cryptocurrency is made for decentralization and the forum should be the same, and with your new rules you make your forum centralized!!!

Oh, it's very decentralized. It uses the VWYF algorithm (now with added blockchain™) to ensure complete decentralization. How it works is very simple: if you don't like it, go make your own forum.



Admins!!! What you have done will lead to the fact that now massively will sell merit and who will not share it! Or you are interested in it themselves( to sell merit)? What you have done I believe is illegal! Think again, while the community has not found another forum!!!

Illegal? LOL. Theymos, please look into all this whiners. I'm sure these will be the idiots with hundreds to thousands of accounts.

That means, that i need to buy merit, just to rank up?
I been doing a lot of post, but never had a merit.
What should i do?

Make good posts
Huh
profit


PMSL. Someone create one to petition theymos to either require more merit or remove signatures altogether. In fact, lets remove signatures completely until you get an insane amount of merit (500+). Then you really will have to sing for your supper. You people are pure cancer.

Respected bitcointalk admistratior and moderators how about the member (Jr member) who turns into jr member before 1 September remains Jr member but who create account after 1 September required at least 150 or 200 activity point to promote into Jr member this is just my suggestion please think about it.

How convenient, Mr I Registered Before 1st of September.



I think this is good, bring fairness to the active members, and join in for a long time.
I only regret that I joined Bitcointalk too late.  Cry

It's never too late to get merit.

I totally understand the move because of so many shitposts that people place to make the signature requirements. Only why not just change the option to wear a signature to members+. So with 10 merits or more?

I am a BountyHunter, trying to build up a little portfolio of cryptocurrencies because I truly believe in the blockchain. Since I have no money to invest and missed the 2017 hype, Bountyhunting is the only way for me to do so.

Because of the demotion to Newbie, I cannot enter most bounty campaigns anymore and seriously reduces my ability to earn some crypto in a fair way.

Another thing I noticed in the merit system: almost all merit goes to people who already have merit. It's like in society, where rich people, like to be around rich people and help each other getting richer. If a newbie (or poor guy) comes up with something he/she often does not get the credit for it.

I would have given you a merit until you started with the rich get richer bollocks. Make good posts and you'll get merit. Nobody gives a fuck here how rich you are. All we care about is cleaning up the forum from the shitposting scum that have ruined it for everyone. Make posts with effort and people will give you merit.

merit=salvation.
2572  Other / Meta / Re: Before you give merit to a newly-demoted newbie... on: September 17, 2018, 01:58:52 PM
I agree with one merit to become Junior but we should also remove Junior's signatures. Requiring ten merit to become a Member and get a sig would really sort the wheat from the chaff here. Far too easy to beg, buy or trade one merit and this will become rife. Ten is a much different ball game and becomes exponentially more difficult the more accounts you have.

I agree that Juniors should also be prohibited from using signatures and personal texts. And I`m sure theymos also understands this. But I guess he didn`t want to establish such drastic changes all at once, as this could "scare off" users of lower ranks and have a bad effect on traffic. Theymos gives Juniors a chance to improve the quality of their posts. Establishing new rules for Newbies is a kind of warning for Juniors. If they correctly understand it, the need to establish more stringent rules in order to become a member, will disappear. And if spam from Juniors still continues, theymos will always have time to introduce new restrictions.

I dunno. Requiring one or even ten merit is hardly drastic, but it probably would have been better doing it now at the same time rather than at some other point down the line. I think it would be better to make certain changes all together rather than having to deal with fresh amounts of complaints every time we change something minor. This is a small baby-step in the right direction but we've still got a long way to go before we make this forum fit for purpose. I don't think any amount of changes here other than the outright removal of signatures will scare people off either. Children will throw their tantrums for a few days or weeks then get over it and deal with it because this forum is far too valuable to them so believe me when I say they're going nowhere, but they're certainly going to cry about it for a bit until they calm down.
2573  Other / Meta / Re: Demoted newbies, please stop crying. on: September 17, 2018, 01:51:50 PM

In all fairness, the outcome of this battle is far from meeting its expectations.

We're always open to suggestions to make this place better, but compromises need to be found.

Canceling the rank of Jr.Member, the lowest rank set to Member may be a better solution? After all, getting 10 merits is much harder than 1 merits. What do you think?

You don't need to cancel the rank. Just get rid of Junior signatures completely and only let them have a signature until the achieve Member rank with ten merit. Junior rank still has its place and I think the one merit requirement at least sets them apart from the worst or the worst of Newbies who can't even get that. Let's make them step it up before they're allowed to earn by posting here though and ten merit is a good aptitude test for that.  
2574  Other / Meta / Re: Demoted newbies, please stop crying. on: September 17, 2018, 01:24:36 PM
Think carefully, what is the reason for implementing the merit system?

It is to fight with spams, but now, has this battle been won?

The battle has only just begun, my friend. I hope theymos scorches the earth of villainy and only the true heroes are left standing.

In all fairness, the outcome of this battle is far from meeting its expectations.

We're always open to suggestions to make this place better, but compromises need to be found.

When we browse the forum, we can always see a lot of meaningless posts in any section and this posts were born very fast, often when we read a topic over and want to read the next topic, we will find that the next topic can't be found. when we try to find the next topic, it has been squeezed into Page 2, even after page 3.The fact is that there are not so many people in the real reply, but because a large number of jr.member are completing their signature bounty missions.When you check posting history of these accounts, you will see that many accounts have more than 100 active, but 99% of the posts are airdrop proofs or social media links, are there any posts in these posts that communicate with others? No, none of them.Because these accounts are only for bounty/airdrops, they have no soul.

Well that's what things like the merit system are for. We need to go further, but hopefully over time people will realise that posting crap will get you nowhere.

Therefore, they are not worthy of the benefits of bounty/airdrops. To some extent, bounty/airdrops are a boon to the BTT Forum for qualified members.


I care very little about bounties. Let the shitposters abuse them as long as they're confined to the bounty section. As long as they're not spamming the forum and ruining the usability of that for everyone else then so be it.
2575  Other / Meta / Re: Wall of fame / shame. Shit posts so bad that they are actually funny on: September 17, 2018, 01:10:09 PM

Let the thousands of metrit posts begin.....




BTW - this shitposter has 1100 posts and 0 metrit (0 merit too)

Holy cannolis, I was dying laughing for a good couple of minutes there! "i post so much post" - yes you do, friend... yes you do.

P.S. - He's made at least 4 posts begging for merit but can't seem to decide how to spell the word: metrit, metric and merit, so far.



He's copy and pasting as well:

Definitely! At the the start we can say that product do not play a main role yet since more of the investors are checking on the team that will going to work, the market they are targeting and the their vision. Once all is in place, product will be the main key to make the project a success. Also, even if the project won't hit at the early stage but if the product is enticing, give it a time and it will surely boom.

. For the task, at any rate outlining this item is important to attempt the test form, the creation of the group is likewise vital while picking ICO ., but i think you advertise kickcity good advertising but people will choose the legit one and not a scam ico because their money would be wasted if they choose to have wrong move.. Also, even if the project won't hit at the early stage but if the product is enticing, give it a time and it will surely boom.


The users that are kicking up the most fuss in Meta will be those who are abusing the system to the max and I'd bet a bollock this isn't the only account he's doing this on. The ones who are hurt the most will be those with dozens of accounts hence the such extreme butthurt so when anyone complains just check their accounts and you'll likely find something a miss. Found a few copy and pasters this morning alone just from the whingers.
2576  Other / Meta / Re: When can i get metrit? on: September 17, 2018, 01:03:30 PM
You people are missing the entire point of merit. The merit system is to stop users exactly like you who have absolutely no interest in contributing anything here other than to the forum's destruction and you are only here to earn at any cost. The merit system is to stop you from doing this:

Definitely! At the the start we can say that product do not play a main role yet since more of the investors are checking on the team that will going to work, the market they are targeting and the their vision. Once all is in place, product will be the main key to make the project a success. Also, even if the project won't hit at the early stage but if the product is enticing, give it a time and it will surely boom.

. For the task, at any rate outlining this item is important to attempt the test form, the creation of the group is likewise vital while picking ICO ., but i think you advertise kickcity good advertising but people will choose the legit one and not a scam ico because their money would be wasted if they choose to have wrong move.. Also, even if the project won't hit at the early stage but if the product is enticing, give it a time and it will surely boom.
2577  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Bitcointalk's UEFA Champions League Football Preditor Pool Ł25 in btc to join on: September 17, 2018, 12:53:55 PM
I've just messaged those the details that have paid so look out for that. If you've paid and didn't receive the message just shoot me a PM and I'll look into it.

If anyone else wants to join then just let me know. Tournament starts tomorrow so not long left. Prize pot is currently at 0.08500001 and hopefully a few more users will be joining before tomorrow. Let's try to get it to 0.1 at least.
2578  Other / Meta / Re: Community generated suggestions to improve the forum (+ eventual voting on them) on: September 17, 2018, 12:03:01 PM
I'm not going to respond here in detail to all of these ideas. It'd be extremely long. I will classify them as OK/maybe/no:
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• Require at least one merit to become a Junior Member (bots will never rise past Newbie status then and can be nuked once spotted).
No. Or not yet. Or the idea would need to be significantly modified.
This was one of the most needed improvements, and I know many users support it. But from the "No", I never expected this would be the first suggestion that gets implemented!

1 down about tree fiddy to go. I was surprised by this and I'm glad theymos came round to it and I hope he starts to take more of my suggestions on board, but I still don't think this goes far enough though. I agree with one merit to become Junior but we should also remove Junior's signatures. Requiring ten merit to become a Member and get a sig would really sort the wheat from the chaff here. Far too easy to beg, buy or trade one merit and this will become rife. Ten is a much different ball game and becomes exponentially more difficult the more accounts you have. I think the users with one account will struggle but the people who are farming en mass will probably have earned enough money to buy merit and then trade it around their various accounts and I think this is something we're going to have to keep an eye out for.
2579  Other / Meta / Re: Before you give merit to a newly-demoted newbie... on: September 17, 2018, 11:57:56 AM
Yeah, users who's entire post history is just one/two liners probably don't deserve merit because they're just putting in the bare minimum to appear like they're not spamming and contributing, but they are spamming and contribute very little. I agree with one merit to become Junior but we should also remove Junior's signatures. Requiring ten merit to become a Member and get a sig would really sort the wheat from the chaff here. Far too easy to beg, buy or trade one merit and this will become rife. Ten is a much different ball game and becomes exponentially more difficult the more accounts you have.
2580  Other / Meta / Re: Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements on: September 17, 2018, 11:52:28 AM
This will not change things for the better... Not all newbies are spamers. And they can spam now as they did before.

How will a newbie create an announcement post, a serious one, without pictures in it???

 Shocked

Buy a Copper Membership.

We need to mention @hilariousetc for his/her contribution and the impact he/she put up on the theymos for initiating this new requirement.



Sorry, but did you just assume I was one of only two genders? I use the pronouns ve/vis. #triggered.

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