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Want to sell 7 BTC.
To a trusted member(s) with a very good reputation. I have honestly quite selling willy nilly to any individual as too many scammers are gunning for my listings.
Newbies not welcomed!
I'll buy it through PPUSD. PM me a price. Already sold 4 BTC. So that means you have 3 left ? Yep. Sorry, I should have been a bit more clear. I am updating the thread title as I sell it off. |
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Want to sell 7 BTC.
To a trusted member(s) with a very good reputation. I have honestly quite selling willy nilly to any individual as too many scammers are gunning for my listings.
Newbies not welcomed!
I'll buy it through PPUSD. PM me a price. Already sold 4 BTC. |
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There are lot jala box and labes pictures you can check if they got CE
The only CE logo that came with my US-delivered Jalapeno is the one that appears on the power supply.  Is that an Avalon in the background? Make sure to wash that side of the Avalon from the BFL taint. |
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Want to sell 7 BTC.
To a trusted member(s) with a very good reputation. I have honestly quite selling willy nilly to any individual as too many scammers are gunning for my listings.
Newbies not welcomed!
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Newbies will have their first time amount reduced from 0.15 BTC to much less than that.
If you want to trade you'll have to wait a few days after your first trade.
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BitInstant appears to be silent on the forum.
To all newbies I would recommend waiting until you see them active again and giving people real answers. Otherwise your payments may go into limbo.
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It appears that iTrader may have been a scammer as I never got my software. He has not logged in a very long time.
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Well, it appears that iTrader has gone missing.
He hasn't logged in a very long period of time.
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Hence no UL listed or FCC certifications. The fuckin' machines won't pass! What next, a unit catches fire in a Bitcoiner's dorm killing several people? Or a unit catching fire in somebody's home killing an infant? Not a single principal at BFL will be able to claim that they weren't aware, for I've personally stuck this issue up their asses no less than two dozen times. BFL's holier then thou attitude is about to nip them in their asses.  "I am pretty sure (I am joking), that somewhere in the fine print it says to keep the units away from combustible objects, people and/or buildings." |
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I can confirm i got the same bullshit email from BFL.
I ordered a couple of 30gh/s machines in February, they have not even shipped a single one of those, they have not even finished redesigning it...
I asked politely for my refund and was told no.
Maybe i just need to call Inaba a cunt in public, in order to get a refund...
You stand corrected,my 30GH unit shipped yesterday,FINALLY  After 1 year & 5 days Now I'm just waiting to see if my $129 for shipping makes it a next day delivery or just lined thier pockets..................... You probably qualify as an investor. |
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BFL did not state, "The money you are sending us is an INVESTMENT, with risk." Thus, it is a "product", and a "product that accepted USD or paypal or cc agreements". Those agreements, even when it clearly states, "no refunds", are the final word in any legal court. To even accept paypal, or a cc, you AGREE as a recipient of funds.... to offer a "reasonable return policy", and "adhere to all US laws". Which includes "returns", and deals with, "failure to deliver in a reasonable time", and also deals with what must be said if it is "a high-risk investment", as opposed to a "sale of an item".
There are also laws about "selling things you do not own", under the false pretense of, "ownership". (Thus, presales of un-owned property, which demands retainers for accounts, before you can accept any level of income from a "sale" of the "presale". EG, you can only oversell a certain amount, and must maintain enough within an account to refund or return a certain amount, in the event of failure or legal litigation.)
There is also the issue of accepting a valued trade, without reporting the value of the trade, or records of the trades, to be used for an exchange of goods or services. (Reporting BTC-value-earnings, which is done quarterly for a business, to be taxed as income.)
However, all is not lost... The price of BTC will rise again, once the "easy miners" have gotten enough debt, and can no longer settle for less. Eg, once they are no longer willing to accept less USD for the BTC they have earned. But they can still make money selling as low as $10 so don't expect the price to stop dropping at $50... They want that money more than you, even at $10-$20, per BTC. They can afford it, they make the machines that you are paying for, and taking your earnings before you can ever earn them, to cash those in too.
As if you didn't see this coming. Denial is a bitch! Join AA (Asics Anonymous)
I recall seeing a thread on BFL forums where someone stated that if you have a unfulfilled order for more than 1 year (365 days) that you then legally become an investor. If this is the case, then there are already several investors out there in from the very first orders. Investors are supposed to get compensation of some kind. (no I am not joking) |
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Looks like a lot of people have been scammed.
Lucky for us they will all be hanged out to dry. The Bitcoin community salutes their efforts at choosing the wrong people to do business with. (In my Opinion?) Unfortunately, BFL will help clean people out (IMO) and keep them from buying up more ASICs. We owe BFL a debt of gratitude. I only feel sorry for those that do end up losing their money. Because they have kids and families. But these customers cannot say that they weren't warned about alot of it. If they stayed in, they gambled and lost. One way or the other. (Again IMO) |
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Getting a failed transaction notice is one thing, not getting a response from customer service in 2 days is absurd. Bitinstant you need to get your customer service in check. You need to let those with failed transactions know what is going on. You need to stop messing around with our money. You need to get it together. I can handle a delay, however a delay without any follow up response besides your copy and paste message is unacceptable and you have a lot to answer for. This is going to gain attention and you had a potential good thing going here and you're ruining it. GIVE ME MY BITCOINS!!!!!!! Michael  2 days? Get comfortable. I am almost at 2 weeks. Not a word from BI. I really hope they have not turned scammers. I have recommended BI to all of my friends starting about 2 years ago when they first came out. I hope they don't make me look like an idiot. They have always came throug in the past when there was an issue but I have never saw anything like this. I have been patiently waiting. Not threatning them and they can't even give me any kind of word. This is what happens when you oversell as a company. They don't sell what they really have, instead BitInstant uses a flat number system that creates orders they are obligated to meet....all this with a seemingly fixed supply/capacity. It is a system designed to fail. Any automation hiccups are just compounding on top of the most basics of problems. |
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Uh, you forgot to mention your price expectations.
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From the outside, it's hard to tell if BFL is just a poorly managed company run by some marketing "visionaries" getting caught up in a get rich quick scheme, or simply just maximizing their own ROI before the Kansas State Attorney General gets involved. With the recent hard-line stance on refund refusal and the shipping slowing to a trickle, the latter might make sense - they would take the liquid assets out of the company after a initial shipping push (securing more pre-orders and upgrade funds) while not continuing to tie liquidity up on actual material orders like chips and PCB's. That's if they were planning on "taking the money and run" approach, which I'm sure BFL is not, because they seem like nice, honest folks.
RICO? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_ActRead through it carefully and see if it applies in any way? When the U.S. Attorney decides to indict someone under RICO, he or she has the option of seeking a pre-trial restraining order or injunction to temporarily seize a defendant's assets and prevent the transfer of potentially forfeitable property, as well as require the defendant to put up a performance bond. This provision was placed in the law because the owners of Mafia-related shell corporations often absconded with the assets. An injunction and/or performance bond ensures that there is something to seize in the event of a guilty verdict.
In many cases, the threat of a RICO indictment can force defendants to plead guilty to lesser charges, in part because the seizure of assets would make it difficult to pay a defense attorney. Despite its harsh provisions, a RICO-related charge is considered easy to prove in court, as it focuses on patterns of behavior as opposed to criminal acts.[4] |
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I'm interested in taking part in a joint legal action against BFL. I requested refund after Inaba's rant against Gar255 and I just received the same BS reply.
This is outrageous.
 This is a theory less than 300 Jalapenos(600chips), less than 10 singles(100chips) and 3 minirigs (300chips) Total 1000 chips It is likely that the first order was only 1000chips. Now made another batch, this request will take between 8 and 12 weeks. When they show all the chips they need, it began shipments of bulk. The question is: Have they done the order of 100000 chips they need for preorders? Or are they waiting until someone buy these 100000: https://products.butterflylabs.com/65nm-asic-bitcoin-mining-chip.html To pay almost 100% of the order (200000) LMAO, you came to the exact same conclusion I did many weeks ago. That is probably why they are so slow again. [speculation of course] I'm interested in taking part in a joint legal action against BFL. I requested refund after Inaba's rant against Gar255 and I just received the same BS reply.
This is outrageous.
Inaba's rant against Gar255 and comments made about every single member of this board, were most certainly the issue that pushed me to ask for a refund, combined with the fact that BFL is clearly a ponzi. Aha, I told you so! (A Speculation of course) |
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I know, for my part, I would not want a device that runs at 200w at 60 GH/s - it would never see a positive ROI.
LOL. How's the crow taste? Why are you selling devices that will "never see a positive ROI"? Youch. I wonder how he feels about it now? Haha |
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