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1641  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL starts taking pre-orders for 1TH Imperial Monarch Miners on: April 09, 2014, 04:44:44 AM
Knock knock knock... you have been served.

New job as in no longer a paid shill here in https://bitcointa.lk/

Time to move along nothing to post here.


I think it is time some of us take a stand against shills. If you think BCP is supporting BFL in continuing to defraud people feel free to add that to his trust ratings as I have. Let people know that SHILLS are dangerous.

bcp19 Trust Rating

Reference


Code:
5 million dollar fraud claim against BFL and this member of the community supports BFL getting away with fraud. 

37. Defendant has utilized the funds from customer’s pre-payments for:

(a) the paid in full, unfinanced purchase of a residence in Leawood, Kansas for Mr. Sonny Vleisides;
(b) an automobile for Mr. Sonny Vleisides; and
(c) hundreds of thousands dollars in loans to shareholders of Defendant.

Endangers community with continued support of the BFL fraud. Leaves negative
feedback with lies and falsehoods. Do not trade or deal with this member of the
community he is not to be trusted.


Remember BCP has continuously shown his support for BFL and the following person:

Code:
At the time of the formation of Defendant through the present, Mr. Vleisides 
was serving a term of supervised release for a felony conviction for Mail Fraud,
in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1341, in the United States District Court for the
Central Case District of California
Wait a second....isn't "Josh" a shareholder?

Why do you think he hasn't been "FIRED"?

He is neck deep in this shit and a slap on the wrist, like his last time as defendant in a case, will be wishful thinking on his part.
@ Bick

[speculation]

The next thing you'll probably tell me is that Josh is going to sue as a shareholder to protect himself from what he "discovered" was...some kind of ongoing fraud against his stake in the company?

Nah, you wouldn't ever say that, because you know it's not true.  Lips sealed

Edit: Oh, lol, next you'll probably also try to assure me that all of the upper management of BFL were also shareholders in the company? You know I wouldn't believe you even if you implied it. Cheesy Shocked
1642  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: April 09, 2014, 04:30:09 AM
Here is a copy of what i received.

VOLUNTARY REFUND REQUEST AND RELEASE
 
Hashfast Technologies LLC (“Hashfast”)
100 Bush Street, Suite 650
San Francisco, California 94104 United States
 
Order Number(s):
DATE:
 
 
 
 
Equipment List:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
(“Buyer”)
 
[Name]
[Company Name]
[Street Address]
[City, Street, ZIP Code]
[Country]
[Phone]
WIRE INFORMATION
Account names must be the same as the Buyer’s name
 
Bank Name:
Bank Address:
Bank Routing Number:
Account Number:
 
BITCOIN WALLET INFORMATION
 
Wallet Address:
 
 
 
 
I, the Buyer, have chosen to execute this Voluntary Refund Request and Release Agreement (this “Agreement”) with
Hashfast Technologies LLC (referred to as “Hashfast” or “Company”). Hashfast will process this request under the terms
and conditions that follow.
 
Please select and check ONLY ONE of the following:
 
 I hereby cancel all of my Batch __ order and request a prompt refund in the amount shown above, paid to me
in United States Dollars (USD).
 
- OR -
 
 I hereby cancel all of my Batch __ orders and request a USD equivalent refund to be paid in BITCOIN at the
exchange rate quoted by Bitstamp on the day Hashfast provides such Bitcoins. I hereby attest that it is legal for me
to receive Bitcoin under the applicable laws of my jurisdiction.
 
Hashfast will process this request no later than 30 days after the receipt of this refund request, indicated by a returned,
Hashfast signed copy to the Buyer.
 
 
Page 1 BUYER INITIALS: VOLUNTARY REFUND REQUEST AND RELEASE Page 2 BUYER INITIALS:
IN ADDITION. If you have opted to voluntarily cancel your order and receive a refund, in addition to the refund amount,
Hashfast will designate you as a Batch __ Special Customer and provide you with a credit worth 5% of the refunded
amount that you may use if you decide to purchase Hashfast products again. As a Batch __ Special Customer, you will also
get air shipping to anywhere in the world for free on your next order. If Hashfast is providing the refund by check, we will
send the check to you by courier, request overnight or two-day delivery, and pay the delivery fee.
 
 
GENERAL RELEASE
 
1. Release. In consideration of the refund, and the separate and additional consideration described in the paragraph with
the heading titled “In Addition” that Buyer acknowledges Buyer would not otherwise be entitled to receive, Buyer (on
its own behalf and on behalf of Buyer’s parent companies, subsidiaries and affiliates, and each of their officers,
directors, equity owners, agents, staff, employees, representatives and attorneys, each in their individual and
corporate capacities) hereby fully, forever, irrevocably and unconditionally releases, remises and discharges Hashfast
Technologies LLC (referred to as “Hashfast” or “Company”), its parent companies, subsidiaries and affiliates, and each
of their officers, directors, equity owners, agents, staff, employees, representatives and attorneys (each in their
individual and corporate capacities) (hereinafter, the "Released Parties") from any and all actions, claims, charges,
complaints, demands, causes of action, suits, rights, debts, sums of money, costs, accounts, reckonings, covenants,
contracts, agreements, promises, doings, omissions, damages, executions, obligations, liabilities, damages, injuries,
consequences, and expenses (including attorneys’ fees and costs), of every kind and nature which Buyer ever had or
now has against the Released Parties (the “Claims”).
 
2. It is further understood and agreed that the general release referred to in Section 1 above a are a full and final release
and shall apply to all unknown and unanticipated Claims, including, without limitation, those resulting from or based
upon or in any way connected with the matters referred to herein as well as those now known or disclosed. Buyer
hereby agrees that all rights under Section 1542 of the California Civil Code are hereby waived. Such section reads as
follows: “A general release does not extend to claims which a creditor does not know of or suspect to exist in his favor
at the time of executing the release which if known by him must have materially affected his settlement with the
debtor.”
 
3. Authority to Enter Agreement. Buyer represents and warrants that it is the buyer of the equipment under the order
numbers set forth above. Buyer represents and warrants that it has full authority to enter into this Agreement, grant
the release hereunder, and to perform the obligations assumed hereunder, and that this Agreement, when executed
by Buyer, represents Buyer’s valid and binding obligation, enforceable against it in accordance with its terms, subject to
certain general legal enforceability exceptions.
 
4. Assignment and Transfer. Buyer represents and warrants that Buyer has not heretofore assigned or transferred any
Claim released herein. Buyer further agrees to indemnify and hold the Company Releases, and each of them,
harmless and defend the Company Releases, and each of them, against any such Claim based on any such transfer or
assignment or purported transfer or assignment.
 
5. No Reliance; No Admissions. Buyer acknowledges and agrees that in making its decision to cancel its order that Buyer
is not relying on any representations, assurances, statements or promises made by any of the Released Parties. It is
understood and agreed that this is a compromise settlement of disputed claims, and that nothing herein shall be
construed as an admission of liability or previous obligation of Company to Buyer.
 
6. Non-Disparagement. Buyer agrees that Buyer shall disparage, libel, or criticize the Company or publish any statement
concerning the other that this is critical. Buyer likewise shall keep confidential the fact of the settlement, the terms of
this Agreement, and the fact and amount of the consideration paid or to be paid hereunder and shall not release or
disseminate any information concerning such matters or the terms hereof to any third party without the express
written consent of the other parties hereto, except (a) to a party’s attorney or accountant or where disclosure is
required by regularly issued judicial process, (b) to the extent such information is publically known through no fault of
Buyer. This obligation of confidentiality shall survive the release hereunder. VOLUNTARY REFUND REQUEST AND RELEASE Page 3 BUYER INITIALS:
7. Attorneys' Fees. In the event that Buyer commences litigation or arbitration based on one or more Claims, Company
shall be entitled to recover reasonable attorneys' fees, expenses and court and arbitration costs as it may incur in
connection with such litigation.
 
8. GOVERNING LAW AND ARBITRATION. ANY CLAIM, DISPUTE OR CONTROVERSY (WHETHER IN CONTRACT, TORT OR
OTHERWISE, WHETHER PRE-EXISTING, PRESENT OR FUTURE, AND INCLUDING STATUTORY, CONSUMER PROTECTION,
COMMON LAW, INTENTIONAL TORT) BETWEEN BUYER AND HASHFAST, its agents, employees, principals, successors,
assigns, affiliates, subsidiaries, arising from or relating to the purchase of Hashfast products, this Agreement, its
interpretation or the breach, termination or validity thereof, (each, a “Dispute”) SHALL BE RESOLVED EXCLUSIVELY AND
FINALLY BY BINDING ARBITRATION. Any Dispute shall be governed by the laws of the State of California and the
F e d e r a l Laws of the U.S.A., each without regard to conflicts of law. The parties agree that the UN Convention for the
International Sale of Goods will have no force or effect on this Agreement.
8.1. THE ARBITRATION WILL BE CONDUCTED IN IN SANTA CLARA COUNTY, CALIFORNIA, U.S.A.
8.2. The arbitrator shall have exclusive authority to resolve any dispute relating to arbitrability or enforceability of this
arbitration provision including any unconscionability challenge or any other challenge that the arbitration
provision or this Agreement is void, voidable or otherwise invalid. The arbitration shall be administered by the
American Arbitration Association (AAA) or JAMS (or a substitute forum if both are unavailable). Arbitration
proceedings shall be governed by this provision and the applicable procedures of the selected arbitration
administrator, including any applicable procedures for consumer-related disputes, in effect at the time the claim
is filed. The arbitrator(s) will not have the jurisdiction or power to award punitive damages, treble damages or
any other damages which are not compensatory, even if permitted under the laws of the California or any other
applicable law. Unless otherwise directed by the arbitrator(s), the parties will bear their own costs and expenses
that are reasonable and necessary to participate in such arbitration, including attorneys’ fees.
8.3. NEITHER BUYER NOR HASHFAST SHALL BE ENTITLED TO JOIN OR CONSOLIDATE CLAIMS BY OR AGAINST OTHER
BUYERS, OR ARBITRATE OR OTHERWISE PARTICIPATE IN ANY CLAIM AS A CLASS REPRESENTATIVE, CLASS MEMBER
OR IN A PRIVATE ATTORNEY GENERAL CAPACITY.
8.4. The arbitrator shall be empowered to grant whatever relief would be available in court under law or in equity.
This transaction shall be governed by the Federal Arbitration Act 9 U.S.C. sec. 1-16 (FAA). Any award of the
arbitrator(s) shall be final and binding on each of the parties, and may be entered as a judgment in any court of
competent jurisdiction.
8.5. Notwithstanding any other provision in this Section 8 to the contrary, either party will at all times be entitled to
seek and obtain injunctive relief in relation to infringement or threatened infringement of its intellectual property
rights, in in relation to misappropriation of its trade secrets, in any court having jurisdiction.
9. CHOICE OF FORUM IN LIEU OF ARBITRATION. IF ARBITRATION CANNOT BE COMPELLED UNDER THE TERMS SET FORTH
IN SECTION 8, OR IF SECTION 8.3 IS NOT ENFORCEABLE, BUYER AND COMPANY AGREE AND IRREVOCABLY CONSENT TO
SUBMIT TO THE EXCLUSIVE JURISDICTION AND VENUE OF THE FEDERAL AND STATE COURTS LOCATED IN THE COUNTY
OF SANTA CLARA COUNTY, CALIFORNIA, U.S.A. FOR ALL DISPUTES ARISING OUT OF OR RELATING TO THIS AGREEMENT.
10. Contract Construction. In the event that any provision(s) of this Agreement shall be held invalid or unenforceable by a
court of competent jurisdiction or by any future legislative or administrative action, such holding or action shall not
negate the validity or enforceability of any other provisions hereof. The word “or” as used in this Agreement has the
meaning equivalent to “and/or”. The terms ‘include’, ‘includes’ and ‘including’ will be deemed to be immediately
followed by the phrase “without limitation.” If a party is the subject of a sentence, then the word “will” expresses an
obligation, and deemed equivalent to “shall”. The parties agree the rules contract interpretation that would otherwise
require ambiguities to be construed against the drafting party will not apply to this Agreement. These Terms are in the
English language only, which language will be controlling in all respects. Any versions of this Agreement in any other
language will be for accommodation only and will not be binding upon either party. All communications and
documentation to be furnished under this Agreement will be in the English language.
11. Waiver. The failure on the part of either party to exercise, or any delay in exercising, any right or remedy shall not
operate as a waiver thereof unless expressly stated herein.
12. Acknowledgment. Buyer and Company certify and acknowledge that both have carefully read all of the provisions of
this Agreement and understand and will fully and faithfully comply with such provisions. Buyer and Company certify VOLUNTARY REFUND REQUEST AND RELEASE Page 4 BUYER INITIALS:
and acknowledge that each has had the opportunity to review this Agreement with legal counsel, has either reviewed this
Agreement with legal counsel, or has decided not to seek such counsel.
13. Electronic Signatures. All parties (a) agree that electronic signatures to this Agreement are binding, and (b) agree to
the provisions of the U.S. E-SIGN Act (i.e., the Electronic Signatures in Global and National Commerce Act - ESIGN,
Pub.L. 106-229, 14 Stat. 464, enacted June 30, 2000, 15 U.S.C. ch.96). Nevertheless, Company may require Buyer to
sign this Agreement manually depending on the jurisdiction of Buyer.
 
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the parties have entered into this Voluntary Refund and Release Agreement as of the date
first written above.
 
 
BUYER:
Customer Signature Email
 
 
Printed Name Phone
 
 
Title Fax
 
 
Company Name
 
 
 
{SIGNATURE PAGE OF HASHFAST TECHNOLOGIES LLC}
 
 
 
 
HASHFAST TECHNOLOGIES LLC:
 
Signature:
Name:
Title:
Signature:
Email:

Is this legal? They will not give us refunds for our pre-orders unless we agree to their terms?
You don't have to agree to any arbitrary terms they give you when requesting your refunds. You simply need to notify them of your cancellation.

Lots of smart folks threw their agreement to the trash and simply requested the refunds without the extra terms they tried to "tack on".

It is probably part of the reason why HashFast is on it's knees and begging for help. (in my distorted perception perhaps?)

=========================

It was all PG's fault for giving people good advice on not accepting refunds willy nilly. PG did allow them to take that scammy step in their favor. Instead choosing to educating those customers about their enforceable [consumer] rights.

Lets all point our wagging finger at PG and say that he alone took down HashFast...that evil guy.

I hear he also gave BFL some trouble with "PayPal" when he stated they could all "double tap" the refund window. Such an evil person indeed!
1643  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: April 09, 2014, 04:19:38 AM
Just met one of the guys in the TRO suit at Inside Bitcoin.  Good guys...

So this was the HashFast booth, right up front where a silver spoon should be....


Dunno why I read "a silver spoon" in your comment. Sounded appropriate.
1644  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL starts taking pre-orders for 1TH Imperial Monarch Miners on: April 09, 2014, 04:16:06 AM
Knock knock knock... you have been served.

New job as in no longer a paid shill here in https://bitcointa.lk/

Time to move along nothing to post here.


I think it is time some of us take a stand against shills. If you think BCP is supporting BFL in continuing to defraud people feel free to add that to his trust ratings as I have. Let people know that SHILLS are dangerous.

bcp19 Trust Rating

Reference


Code:
5 million dollar fraud claim against BFL and this member of the community supports BFL getting away with fraud. 

37. Defendant has utilized the funds from customer’s pre-payments for:

(a) the paid in full, unfinanced purchase of a residence in Leawood, Kansas for Mr. Sonny Vleisides;
(b) an automobile for Mr. Sonny Vleisides; and
(c) hundreds of thousands dollars in loans to shareholders of Defendant.

Endangers community with continued support of the BFL fraud. Leaves negative
feedback with lies and falsehoods. Do not trade or deal with this member of the
community he is not to be trusted.


Remember BCP has continuously shown his support for BFL and the following person:

Code:
At the time of the formation of Defendant through the present, Mr. Vleisides 
was serving a term of supervised release for a felony conviction for Mail Fraud,
in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1341, in the United States District Court for the
Central Case District of California
Wait a second....isn't "Josh" a shareholder?
1645  Economy / Services / Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform on: April 07, 2014, 03:58:08 AM
It will be interesting to see what the team says about the reverse EMA strategy.
1646  Economy / Services / Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform on: April 05, 2014, 04:42:44 AM
Lol i can't get this bot profitable @ BTC.. If i check last month.

Got it at 3% for last 7 days.
I am not responsible for what [if anything] you do wrong with these settings.



Need a discount? Get it right here:

https://www.butter-bot.com/?r=f5a17f5b
1647  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL starts taking pre-orders for 1TH Imperial Monarch Miners on: April 03, 2014, 06:41:05 AM
if you actually believe he had a chat with a DA and they are preparing a case against bfl, i have a bridge in my back yard to sell to you.  
...
Government doesnt care, bfl is too small for them.

 I honestly don't know how to reasonably respond to that, other than to ask you what possible motivation I would have to lie about receiving the aforementioned call ?

 If it makes you feel any better, the nice fellow did add (paraphrasing) "At least you got some money back. I have a lot more calls I need to make with people who haven't"

 Check my history, friend.
I can vouch that Xian01 has [in the past] had contact with various AG/DA.

You are obviously the "newguy" around here....
1648  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: April 03, 2014, 06:37:48 AM
I am not involved in a HashFast production line. That was a proposal that never went through.
https://bitcointa.lk/threads/starting-a-new-fpga-mining-farm-contract-cognitive-resurrected-on-havelock.47052/page-154
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #4tOlV0WjQ0UjxmgX

"What could possibly go wrong?"   Roll Eyes   So since the teenager isn't going to bail the "adults" out anymore, the hapless adults are left to fend for themselves.  

If Hashfast is on the verge of broke, and it seems to me like they may be, I suspect that individually or severally, Edward, Simon, the apparently departed Scrotum and Long Dong, and god knows who else have probably squirrelled away BTC and/or hardware (the "hidden data center" or something like that).  I sure hope that these various legal processes are set up so that some very aggressive discovery can be done in the personal finances of its current and former directors and employees.  I'll bet a lot of the money did just go "poof" on wild spending, but these guys are such schemers, I'm sure there are some personal "rainy day funds" to be found and distributed to creditors.
I thought they couldn't legally release/utilize funds of their customers until they actually shipped it?
1649  Economy / Services / Re: Butter Bot!: New Bitstamp, BTC-E, and MtGox EMA Trading Platform on: April 01, 2014, 08:04:46 AM
Friends,
  I would like to remind all of you to please update to the latest version of Butter-Bot at Butter-Bot.com/download. All previous installs will expire on May 1, 2014. Please remember that upgrading is free of charge and grants you access to the newest features and the most up to date software Smiley.

I am here if anyone has any questions.

Pablo.
I am available for torture tests on Butter Cream.

Hmm, whipped butter.
1650  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: April 01, 2014, 07:18:39 AM
Note to self,
When dealing with Bitcoin Hardware Manufacturers and/or Pre-orders in the BitCoin Community, remind self to "OBLIGATE" individual(s) behind the company [or sale] to agree to a contract that binds them to a specific liability.

Remind self that this is an extra measure of safety in case of default or bankruptcy.

===================

If they fail in their company, then we sell off everything their employees own [under contract?] and saddle them with perpetual lifelong debt.
1651  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: March 26, 2014, 04:48:20 AM
http://www.businessinsider.com/irs-bitcoin-is-property-not-currency-full-release-2014-3

Property, not currency.

HashFast, give these folks their PROPERTY. (in full and in complete form). Thanks.
1652  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: March 23, 2014, 02:32:36 AM
Have the lawyers hired progressed in beating common sense into the company?
No, quite the opposite:

http://hashfast.org/HashFast_consumer_complaint_response.pdf

(not exactly due to our lawyers, but it's a reply from theirs)
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #FwSxKQmyqJBfdJRM
Wow, what a company.

Take a lesson from this folks, they are not your best friend. Nor are they a good company to do business with in any virtual currency.

They clearly omitted promises they made to customers in exchanges that they would give 1:1 refunds in Bitcoins.

How Convenient.

Damn, PL, you've been gone so long, you may have missed my Long Dong Johnson and Skropenis posts.
I did, but I think I am glad that I did. I don't want to see the sales persons ding dong hanging out on my screens.
1653  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Butterflylabs legit? on: March 23, 2014, 02:31:03 AM
Pay attention to the folks with high activity ratings and hero status.

<<<<

When you see butterfly labs....simply scream in terror and run away with your cash. Then when you have calmed down, pat yourself on the back because you just did yourself a favor.

You won't get it anywhere near on time, not on spec and very clunky/noisy.

Don't settle for less, go elsewhere.
1654  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: March 23, 2014, 02:21:23 AM
Have the lawyers hired progressed in beating common sense into the company?
No, quite the opposite:

http://hashfast.org/HashFast_consumer_complaint_response.pdf

(not exactly due to our lawyers, but it's a reply from theirs)
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #FwSxKQmyqJBfdJRM
Wow, what a company.

Take a lesson from this folks, they are not your best friend. Nor are they a good company to do business with in any virtual currency.

They clearly omitted promises they made to customers in exchanges that they would give 1:1 refunds in Bitcoins.

How Convenient.
1655  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [BFL] List of Lies on: March 22, 2014, 12:04:34 PM
Here is a highlighted sample of various lies [in red], half-truths, debatable white lies, or just misinformation [in yellow] (on just one page):



Posted with the intentions of facilitating discussions and under FAIR USE.

Please click the thumbnail above to see the full image.
1656  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [BFL] List of Lies on: March 22, 2014, 11:38:29 AM
I swear that list is longer.

Where should I start and stop the list?
11. The only functioning 28nm implementation.

Source? Don't see that on their site.

Here you go:

More marketing lies:

http://www.butterflylabs.com/monarch/

Quote
As we enter the 28nm era, we're the only competitor with a proven ASIC design in the field.

KnC, HashFast, Cointerra, Bitmine all have 28nm designs in the field.
It all depends on how you interpret the quoted statement, but in either interpretation, it is still false.

1657  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: March 22, 2014, 10:29:42 AM
Have the lawyers hired progressed in beating common sense into the company?
1658  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [BFL] List of Lies on: March 22, 2014, 10:24:39 AM
I swear that list is longer.

Where should I start and stop the list?
11. The only functioning 28nm implementation.
1659  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: {BFL} WHAT! :( Butterfly Lads won't deliver the Monarch Till March or April:( on: March 22, 2014, 05:49:18 AM
A year ago around this time I place my first orders with these BFL scammers. My how time flies. \

Today noob no more; how Nice to have my orders shipped soon after I pay. Definitely not BFL.

Hint.... S1

I'm with ya on that dude!!  June,26 2012 I ordered my 30GH'er....got it July,5 2013  Shocked

Ordered 2 180GH Ants Feb,3 2014...got em Feb,15 2014...BOTH IN THE SAME YEAR!!!!!! WTF!!!!  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Thats....Unacceptable~!
1660  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: March 22, 2014, 05:20:47 AM
I'd really like to hear what a lawyer says to this situation.



(given what i pay him i appreciate his short replies)
Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #VC3WJefOGRLNe8wn
Amazing...
[Speculation]
So they are selling customers property to a third party while throwing their [literal] obligations to the side?

He's right, that is unreal.
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