You have gold fever. You know that you just want to mine. You think everyone is probably  lying about it being impractical  because they want it all for themselves. Fortunately your gut is telling you that mining just doesn't add up. It's a big mistake. 

I was just like you. I bought an Asic for $9000. At the time it would have mined 7 coins per day! In a couple of weeks it would have paid for itself right!?  Luckily they never delivered it because the difficulty is now so high it would have never paid for itself. So far the only ones that have received refunds from that company are those with Pay Pal and Credit Card.  That was the smartest thing I did with Asics was  forcing a charge back with my Credit Card. They are dissolving the company. Some out up to $18,000 are organizing to sue them.

If you have to take a loss and get an Asic I would buy from KNC as I think they are one of the few that have delivered, more than what was promised and on time. Not sure though? 

With all these Asics soon coming on line it is very unlikely that you will ever mine your money back. Put on your little thinking cap. Don't do anything stupid. Don't go and do something when you know it doesn't add up. Don't buy with cash or Bitcoin.
   

The difficulty of Bitcoin is over 189 million. The next difficulty level is 230 million. Chances are that any machine you buy will never break even. If you receive the machine at all. 

I started my refund with my credit card, after Pay Pal first denied me. Money refunded all the same. If you have a credit card use it for a charge back.   

I didn't talk to Aaron but others have. I would try Aaron next in your case. I just returned their email and said others have received refunds after 45 days why not me?

It looks like you may have "by accident" cancelled your own complaint. Sep 29, 2013 - Buyer: Complaint cancelled

You'll have to Call Pay Pal and tell them.

If the Seller doesn't reply. You win the dispute. The money should go to you. How did you pay? If CC, it should show up there etc. .

Just checked my account. Status refunded. But I charged back on my credit card so it's legit. Check your Pay Pal account or however you paid.

That's a thought. But I don't think so. The klondike boards haven't been proven to work yet. They would have to get another design. Very unlikely the new design would use a significant % of the same component values.

Hell No.

Electricity is too high in my area.

I would have to trust someone to host the unit. Fairly charge me for expenses. And honestly send the coins I have due.   

If taxes have to be paid someday, it will likely be income tax with mining.  Instead of capital gains or loss from buying the coins outright.

will you get your rig in time to break even? Not likely from what I've seen.

Some say they want to help keep the coins decentralized. But anyone can just buy the coins if they want. So Bitcoin will be decentralized anyway. And 9 times out of 10 the miner will pay more for his coins through electricity, taxes, hardware and mining pool fees.   

Good news. Chase Bank froze their account. They won't be able to touch the money and it may be used to pay back some of customers refunds.   

Even with the Avalon chips you supplied. TH didn't bother to complete your order. So the way I see it. TH never intended to complete any of the orders in the time they estimated, if ever.

Even if they dissolve, run off to Poland, or whatever. The money is in the banks and will go to their creditors and those who paid for a product they didn't receive. I don't know about the Bitcoin but I'm sure their is probably a way to recover it also.   

I really don't have anything against Bargraphics. I doubt he is a shill but who knows for sure? He had an early order, so he didn't want TH to go out of business. Was a little exuberant. That's the way I see it. I don't really understand why so many like to argue with him. One day it's congratulations on your new baby. The next day, time to kick him while he's down. Maybe he's trying to redeem himself by helping those he might have mistakenly mislead get money back. But a lot of you believe he is just trying to delay things.

You can read through this thread and  see exactly how this whole thing unfolded. Instead of relying on faulty memory. So it should be saved to be able to accurately tell who is  at fault.    

This thread is a treasure chest of evidence. It's a good idea to save all the posts.

2 Tera Hz! Wow! And they say it's low power consumer! Don't see any wattage rating though?
It's a Pre order?
And you can only pay with Bitcoin or Bank Wire Transfer? 
Must be very confident in their ability to deliver the product by their delivery date.

Run. Don't look back.

With TH you're the first loser foolish enough to board the train wreck. 

Their is one born every day that will buy them.  I saw an in hand  5 GHZ BFL go for thousands. Some just want to have one and don't have a clue. If Bitcoin goes up enough it just might make them accidentally rich.

If it's not in hand it is a much harder sell. If you're one of the first in line, your pre order is worth more on ebay.

He will only buy them from you  if you bought them with a CC or PayPal. I've got a million of them. 

The only problem will be getting money back that TH no longer has or is hiding. If you didn't pay with a Credit Card or PayPal you might have to take legal action.

I already have 100% funds charged back to my account CC and PayPal. TH can challenge it but they will lose. They have no product anywhere in site, no hosting in site, and I no longer want the product, as it is all but useless due to difficulty.



TeraHash lies almost every time they post or talk.  A few examples for those with short memories.

I was emailed and told by TeraHash. "Because you already have an account set up on our website you will be able to order our Asics for 24 hours before the general public". But that wasn't true. Anyone that ordered was able to order right away. I ended up #760 even though I ordered in the first 30 minutes.  

TeraHash said they weren't going to take pre orders and then shortly took them. And with part of the pre order money, rumored to be used as a refund to Cloud Hashing. (A company that sells shares of hashing power).

Later discovered. They baited and switched on their return policy. Screen shot taken for proof. They went from "you can get a refund at any time before we ship the unit to you". To " all sales are final. We are not responsible if Avalon doesn't send the chips in time".

I called them. Their representative told me on the phone that I was in the first batch, even though my order was # 760? Also told me the Avalon chips wouldn't be a problem as they could easily obtain them from other venders if needed.

They claimed all they needed was Avalon Chips. Claimed to have the Klondike hashing. Yet they received some chips from a customer,  he has never heard back from them for a long time. They claimed all orders would be done within 2 weeks of Avalon chips but failed to deliver 1 order?       

    

I thought you could still buy up to 50 coins per day? You just don't get them instantly unless it is 10 coins or less?

Don't tell me they keep changing the amounts continuously. So you can't depend on them. as they may flake out any second.