The D3 is efficient enough that it SHOULD pay off - eventually - if you have low cost electric AND if it doesn't break first.

 10 days to get ROI on it though is a pipe dream.

 Nicehash works fine and IS quite profitable with my A2 miners.

 They DO bounce your miners around a lot though, so the "calculated" profit is always more than the real profit.

 I suspect their issue with the L3+ is that the L3+ software just doesn't handle being bounced around a lot.


 Someone else mentioned litecoinpool.org - which is my BACKUP pool recently, but has been my primary pool at times (and might be so again in the future).

 Very reliable pool, and well designed to handle HUGH hashrate.

 I've got a few of their 1070 SC cards in my folding rigs (including one in my most recent addition), and they're certainly on my "willing to consider" list whenever I start looking at parts for a new rig.
 I also have a couple of their 1300 G2 power supplies, but those aren't currently powering folding rigs.

 I just am not willing to work for Folding Bucks as I make more from Curecoin (and a LOT more the last couple months from "merge folding" FoldingCoin at the same time).

 Global Foundries 14nm foundry is in New York State, it used to be an IBM foundry.
 They also have the ex-AMD foundry in Germany (Dresden I think?).

 Intel has at least one foundry in the US, Austin I think?

 There are NO foundries on the 14/16nm node in China that I am aware of, TSMC is in TAIWAN not in CHINA.

 Samsung has their 14nm foundry somewhere in Korea.



 The bulk of MINER manufacturing is done in China, but not the ASIC chips themselves.

 Most Internet projects are at least somewhat international.

 But no, AFAIK Gridcoin is not based out of Germany.

Moore's Law has been having issues of late - and is set for a MAJOR stumble after the next production nodes actually hit full production, as pretty much EVERYONE is now saying "Silicon has reached the end of the road" (IBM and Intel said it first).

 IBM is already moving away from pure Silicon for wafers (they're using a hybrid Ge/Si wafer on their next node) - but even hybrid stuff like that is likely to have a short lifespan, as feature size has been hitting Quantum effects for a long time and each time a new "smaller" node is worked on, the quantum effects have gotten worse.


 There was *ONE* rumour about Vega hitting 70-100 Mh/s on ETH that was very widely repeated (rumour not rumor because it was a Brit site that started it).

 You ASSUME they make more than they pay to Nicehash - this is not always the case, I am pretty sure a lot of folks that use NiceHash don't have low cost electric to run their own miners on.

Ballpark 22 Mh/s stock out of the box and close to 24 with memory overclocked as far as I could get it to go reliably on ETH, with proper BIOS memory timing mods should get ballpark 28 or so (I've NOT tried that, as I had other plans for the card and don't have ANYTHING mining ETH any more).

Don't even THINK about trying to mine Scrypt coins like Litecoin on a GPU - ASIC took that over 3+ years ago.

 XMR - varies, seems to like most current-gen GPUS pretty well and still gets along OK on high-core-count recent CPUS.

 Aorus or one of the other high-performance 1080ti models?

Between the IBeLink DM11G shipping NOW and the various batches of the D3 (best estimate I've seen is ballpark 7000 of those sold to date, all due to be shipped by late October), I will be SHOCKED if the total network hashrate on DASH is less than 150 TH, and that 200TH figure quoted earlier would not supprise me for end of October or early November timeframe.

 Then the A5 hits, at least one more big batch of D3 units will probably be sold for shipment in November sometime, the IBeLink DM22G should be shipping before then, and Pinidea has a new unit announced as well....

Keep in mind that the site listed in the OP post IS A RESELLER, not IBeLink themselves.

 Also, the IBeLink DM22G seems to be aiming more at the Innosilicon A5 (efficiency is pretty close), not at the D3 (much lower cost/hash, but VERY poor efficiency vs the DM22G or A5).

 Also, the 10800 IBeLink miners have NOT been mining since last year - that's the older 384 Mh models they released last year, the 10800 miners only started SHIPPING this month or tail end of LAST month.



 Mining on X11 won't be unprofitable by the end of October - it just won't be CRAZY high profitable on the new miners.

 I suspect folks with the Baikal miners will still be profitable for the rest of the year - if they have a low enough electric price.

 That should work fine.

 AFAIK no BIOS includes a card serial number - that would be a NIGHTMARE for a manufacturer to implament.

AMD is not "stronger than NVidia" on ETH hashing.
They're actually pretty close on performance - typical numbers for NVida are in the ballpark:

 1060     22 Mhash (same as a non-bios modded 470/570 and very close to a non-modded 480/580 depending on memory speed of the RX card)
 1070     30 Mhash (ones that memory overclock WELL beat ANY RX series card even with BIOS mods).
 1080     26 Mhash (loses to the 1070 despite having a LOT more cores and higher memory bandwidth due to the latency of GDDR5x vs GDDR5)
 1080ti   35 Mhash (GDDR5x hurts again, but the 1080ti is STILL faster than any AMD card by a narrow margin except PERHAPS the Vega).

 Like with AMD cards, these numbers will vary depending on how well you can overclock RAM and how far you drop TDP/undervolt.

 The issue prior to the AMD "gouge pricing" period is that the NVidia cards that beat or close-to-matched the RX 470/480/570/580 on ETH hashrate COST more per hash - the 1080ti in particular cost 2-3 TIMES as much per hash back when you could find AMD cards for MSRP or close.

 ETH is very picky about memory bandwidth AND memory latency - which is what hammers the Fury and Vega lines, and hammers the GTX 1080/1080ti almost as hard.
 It's also why the R9 290x/390x were little or NO faster than the R9 290/390 despite the x models having quite a few more cores.

Easy to work around since you can manually enter the reward amount - but it IS a bit irritating that the website owner has never gotten around to fixing it.

 Where are you seeing Vega at the same price at the 1080ti?

 Everywhere I've looked it's priced in the same ballpark as the 1080 (NOT the TI) - which it IS close competiton to except on power draw, even with no optimizations for it yet implamented.



 (edit) seems like that was "introductory" pricing, but even the CURRENT $100 HIGHER pricing still doesn't put the Vega 64 into 1080ti price range, though it does look like it is going to shove the Vega 56 nearly into 1080 price range (where the 64 BELONGS).

 Newegg had the MSI VEGA 64 listed at $499 yesterday - but it was already sold out and it has been reported that the "$399/$499" MSRP may have been a "launch only" thing, the real MSRP long-term being $100 higher.

 Dunno what AMD is thinking, unless they've decided they can gouge on VEGA due to selling out very very quickly.




 The "white" Gigabyte Windforce models work well, though they don't cool as well as the Aorus they also don't eat 3 slots so they PLAY WELL with other cards much better in non-riser rigs.
 

 Newegg usually has 1 to 3 GTX 1080ti models on sale at $699 at any given point - usually the Gigabyte "Windforce" model (this is a legit 2 slot card, but it really wants at least one fan with "open" access to cool well) as one of them.

 Works OK with a Zotac mini in front of it 2 slots over, but would probably prefer the Gigabyte or MSI "ITX" as a neighbor instead for better cooling.

 So far it's probably JUST the IBeLink DM11G units pushing the hashrate - but by the end of October when most of the currently sold but not yet shipped Bitmain D3 units are shipped installed and running, we're looking at a LOT more than a "doubling".

 Then the A5 (and probably more D3 and some DM22G) units start hitting.... I'd BET on network hashrate exceeding 200 TH by the end of the year, and would not be shocked by 300-400 TH.

 I'm not sure what that works out to in difficulty as a number, but I'm sure it will be 5-10 TIMES what it is now by the end of October and likely double again by the end of the year.

It would be nice if at least ONE review would realise that "Ethereum mining" is NOT the only GPU mining that happens.
Makes most of these reviews totally worthless.


 NowInStock has been pretty much worthless during the "shortage", it responds WAY too slowly.