You said "There is nothing pointless about pondering the ramifications of another physical structure that has the exact same molecular content as another." Isn't this what we call cloning?
No. Riiiiight, but some magical teleportation device does? Dude, before you go on, figure out why cloning is not what you think it is. I know why cloning doesn't fit your scenario. Because by itself it's not enough to complete your scenario. It lacks the "memories" of a life. But what I'm asking is surely if you're going to deal in hypotheticals, where you're imagining a scenario just to ponder it's hypothetical ramifications, shouldn't it be a lot more fruitful if you chose a scenario that starts with reality and adds something that we know how to do but is only extremely hard such as cloning an individual and then having the clone have the same exact memories and not something we don't know how to do such as teleporting life? In answer to your question as to it being more fruitful, the answer is no. Plain and simple. Care to elaborate? |
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You said "There is nothing pointless about pondering the ramifications of another physical structure that has the exact same molecular content as another." Isn't this what we call cloning?
No. Riiiiight, but some magical teleportation device does? Dude, before you go on, figure out why cloning is not what you think it is. I know why cloning doesn't fit your scenario. Because by itself it's not enough to complete your scenario. It lacks the "memories" of a life. But what I'm asking is surely if you're going to deal in hypotheticals, where you're imagining a scenario just to ponder it's hypothetical ramifications, shouldn't it be a lot more fruitful if you chose a scenario that starts with reality and adds something that we know how to do but is only extremely hard such as cloning an individual and then having the clone have the same exact memories and not something we don't know how to do such as teleporting life? |
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You said "There is nothing pointless about pondering the ramifications of another physical structure that has the exact same molecular content as another." Isn't this what we call cloning?
No. Riiiiight, but some magical teleportation device does? |
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If lots of X give rise to Y Without even reading further than that, let me stop you right there. I never said lots of x give rise to y, I said lots of x give the appearance of y while it's still just lots and lots of very complicated relationships of x. You're starting to sound like Daniel Dennett. You might want to read him. A good introduction would be his book "Sweet Dreams": http://www.amazon.com/Sweet-Dreams-Philosophical-Obstacles-Consciousness/dp/0262541912/You can find him on Youtube as well. No thanks. I'm just bored and am having fun poking logical holes into your statements and theories and scenarios. |
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Isn't this a pointless scenario since we don't have a such a machine and we do not know if matter can even be manipulated in such a way?
Absolutely not. There is nothing pointless about pondering the ramifications of another physical structure that has the exact same molecular content as another. It's an absolutely necessary thing to consider if you wish to understand the ramifications of nature. It's very much worth considering as a mental exercise. Then why not go with something that does exist and we know how to manipulate such as cloning? Cloning has nothing to do with it. That's why. What? You said "There is nothing pointless about pondering the ramifications of another physical structure that has the exact same molecular content as another." Isn't this what we call cloning? |
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Isn't this a pointless scenario since we don't have a such a machine and we do not know if matter can even be manipulated in such a way?
Absolutely not. There is nothing pointless about pondering the ramifications of another physical structure that has the exact same molecular content as another. It's an absolutely necessary thing to consider if you wish to understand the ramifications of nature. It's very much worth considering as a mental exercise. Then why not go with something that does exist and we know how to manipulate such as cloning? |
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If lots of X give rise to Y Without even reading further than that, let me stop you right there. I never said lots of x give rise to y, I said lots of x give the appearance of y while it's still just lots and lots of very complicated relationships of x. |
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If a transporter was proven to exactly replicate the mind as it was, I would use it. My perceived reality has been proven to be stable thus far and I would trust it in this circumstance.
So you would submit yourself to being killed, and allow a replica of yourself which contains the exact memories and brain structure to be created to replace yourself? How can you prove my perception was destroyed and not reincarnated to the replica? How can we deduce which latter event is more probable? Consider the following two scenarios: 1. You step into the transporter room and your body is scanned at the molecular level and you are recreated somewhere else. Only problem is, the machine failed to actually destroy your body at this location. A service technician approaches you and says: "Sir, a minor glitch occurred. If you could come this way we'll manually finish the process..." 2. You step into the transporter room and your body is scanned at the molecular level and you are recreated not once, but three different times in three different locations. Clearly, you, the person who stepped into the transporter room, can't be all three of the newly created individuals. Granted, from their perspective, each of the three are you and fully believes in the success of the transportation process, but logically, at the very most, you are only one of them, and the other two are not. It makes further sense that you are in fact none of them, and are in fact, dead, forever, and not experiencing the world at all. Isn't this a pointless scenario since we don't have a such a machine and we do not know if matter can even be manipulated in such a way? Isn't it like asking: "If you were super man and you were flying and suddenly a meteorite with kryptonite inside hit you midair you, would you fly to the sun at the risk of dying or would you land and try get some human to remove the kryptonite dust off of you?" |
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4. Parts of the Universe become aware of the Universe. How and why would that happen? How and why indeed! Is part of the universe aware of the universe?? What if life is merely a chemical chain reaction of certain chemicals that fuels other chain reactions that fuel other chain reactions that fuel other chain reactions that fuel other chain reaction... ect., until you get from 3. where you had only the chemicals to an appearance of 4. where there are so many simultaneous chain reactions going on fueling each other that a mere bigger picture emerges while what's really going on is still just a humongous number of chain reactions fueling each other? |
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Btw Eric Schmidt is completely ignorant and utterly wrong about peer to peer currencies being illegal. Yes, trading and exchanging them for the government's fiat money might be considered illegal if you don't also follow their rules for doing so but otherwise using such a currency is perfectly legal.
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As far as i know in USA you can happily go in a shop and buy more or less whatever weapon you want.
So what is the problem with that website?
Yes that's exactly why some think that when you buy it online anonymously with the serial nr. removed it must be for something other than self defense which is completely ignorant to just about any other countrie's gun regulation laws. |
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The Armory is SR's version of their market for weapons and all weapons listings on SR will be removed on the 4th of March. Both sites are run by the same people and are run on the same platform. The only difference is, a different server and a different DB.
That's how SR's people explained it on SR's forum.
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What a cool site. I just checked it out and I think they have something potentially fairly successful on their hands.
I have a great idea on how he could monetize his site but I don't feel like typing it out and would much rather prefer to explain it via voice chat, so PM me and I'll give you my skype. I guarantee you'll like it.
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I'm reading their other book Made to stick; How some ideas survive and others don't, also a very good book.
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More accurate translation: Do we already have a thread going where we could discuss this topic appropriately? Perhaps there's not much more to discuss, but maybe there is ... I definitely still don't quite understand the "regression theorem".
Maybe you could create a new thread just for this video so we can discuss it? What do you think? |
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Anyone see any potential problems with this?
Yes, you'd probably end up with an excess of Iranian Rials which you'd have trouble converting into usable currency. You could sell BTC for gold and silver or say oil or some other commodity.. |
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because their god damned government can't read its own founding documents.
You mean those 4 mere pieces of paper no one even signed.  |
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Riiight, well guess what, I'm not going to give mtgox my ID, my photo, or any other info about my identity. If it's mandatory to provide such personal details I will not use mtgox, PERIOD.
How do you get your bitcoin then? Selling goods and services? Not through mtgox, that's for sure. |
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Wether or not it is specifically targeting MtGox or not, it definitely still pertains and applies to them.
Fortunately for MtGox, they have operating under this assumption since they began doing business.
Keep trying FinCEN.....
I would like to hear mtgox's statement on this compliance effort and their candid position on anti-money laundering. Trust me when I tell you this. When FinCEN comes knocking, MtGox will be most prepared. Riiight, well guess what, I'm not going to give mtgox my ID, my photo, or any other info about my identity. If it's mandatory to provide such personal details I will not use mtgox, PERIOD. |
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