3 guys in line at an atm is pretty lol for being used of evidence of anything.
You're missing the point. What you are saying above DID NOT HAPPEN. The pictures weren't the evidence. Read the article to learn what the evidence is. |
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You both do understand that these pictures weren't really the evidence of the run that is in fact happening, right?
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It's too late. Luke wins the thread. He is now your king and lawful ruler... amen. Everyone BOW to the king or PERISH 4evahhh!  |
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but they are still States with legitimate authority.
if by legitimate you mean self asserted and enforced through the threat of violence, then you are right. |
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the police, checking the pawn shops, will collect the stolen property and not provide any compensation to the pawn shop. Is that suppose to mean something to me? Is what the police does somehow indicative of what should be done or more so what I should do? News flash I don't give a rats ass what violent thugs in a blue costume do or think I should do. |
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If everyone goes short or long though, there's no money in this anyways - where's the incentive to go long on GIGAMINING for example, if nobody dares to go short?
What do you think would this say about the risk of holding the underlying assets? This is a great idea of how to determine the risk factor for all assets traded on GLBSE and I hope it works out! |
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I wish there was more info about this.
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From MtGox ToS: Members represent and warrant that they are the legitimate owners and are allowed to use all monetary sums and Bitcoins deposited on their Account and that the Transactions being carried out do not infringe the rights of any third party or applicable laws. Members who are not consumers ("Business Members") will indemnify Mt. Gox for any and all damages suffered and all liability actions brought against Mt. Gox for infringement of third party rights or violation of applicable laws.
To the extent permitted by law, Mt. Gox will not be held liable for any damages, loss of profit, loss of revenue, loss of business, loss of opportunity, loss of data, indirect or consequential loss unless the loss suffered is caused by a breach of these Terms by Mt. Gox.
In the case of fraud, Mt. Gox will report all necessary information, including names, addresses and all other requested information, to the relevant authorities dealing with fraud and breaches of the law. Members recognize that their account may be frozen at any time at the request of any competent authority investigating a fraud or any other illegal activity.
TERMINATION
Members acknowledge and agree that their Account may be suspended until they provide Mt. Gox with documents evidencing their identity and/or any other information that Mt. Gox deems necessary to secure the Accounts, the Transactions and/or the Platform.
Additionally, we may, in appropriate circumstances and at our discretion, suspend or terminate Accounts of Members for any reason, including without limitation: (1) attempts to gain unauthorized access to the Site or another Member’s account or providing assistance to others' attempting to do so, (2) overcoming software security features limiting use of or protecting any content, (3) usage of the Platform to perform illegal activities such as money laundering, terrorism financing or other criminal activities, (4) violations of these Terms, (5) failure to pay or fraudulent payment for Transactions, (6) unexpected operational difficulties, or (7) requests by law enforcement or other government agencies.
We also reserve the right to cancel unconfirmed Accounts or Accounts that have been inactive for a period of 6 months or more, or to modify or discontinue our Site or Platform. Members agree that Mt. Gox will not be liable to them or to any third party for termination of their Account or access to the Site. Basically if you use MtGox you agree that they can do to your account or/and money what ever the hell they want. |
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I think what might need to happen is to set up a 'legal attack fund' for businesses that resort to 'self help' in freezing coins, accounts, and coins. No need, if this is something MtGox for example stipulates in their ToS i.e. their contract they will get regulated by their customers taking their business some place else and if they don't they will get sued by their customers for damages. Problem solved. |
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Btw we had kings ... for most of our history until we didn't. And society is worse now than it was with kings. I support monarchy. I guess as a consequence of cognitive dissonance you now resorted to trolling because I cannot for the life of me take you seriously anymore. EDIT: btw I'm done with this pointless discussion, in the end Bitcoin is regulated strictly by market consumers and this issue will get sorted out by itself regardless of what any of us individually believe. And in case anyone wants to get rid of some so called tainted coins, look at my signature. |
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The state doesn't create laws. People create laws by singing contracts between each other. That's what contracts are = private law between the signatory parties. I understand what you're saying. What I'm saying is that the state has always attempted to make its laws as concrete as the laws of nature. Religious law also attempted this. I know many in the anarcho-capitalist movement like to talk about private law. And I have as well in the past. But I think we should be calling it something else entirely. The laws of gravity and thermodynamics cannot be broken. Man made laws can be. It seems to me a perversion of the meaning of the word "law" when we talk about what mankind does. Private rules fits better, you are right. |
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A state? There is no body of politics or elections or government laws, there are no lines drawn on a map and there is no involuntary participation. How does my example in any way resemble a state?
Wanna bet on how long it will stay that way, with all the "contracts" you are signing? Yes, let's not cut out the cancer because it might grow back..  In that case, do you care to explain why previous attempts at anarchy have all failed in the long run? Just for my amusement, of course. What attempts? Any. Unless you can point to some places with no government, over which no government has influence, and which still exist. I doubt that there are many, and I doubt that any such places that exist can scale up in size. I thought your point was that there have in fact been attempts and that they failed. Btw we had kings and slavery for most of our history until we didn't. But it's ok, cognitive dissonance wont allow you to see all the possibilities that I see, it's human nature nothing I or you can do. |
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A state? There is no body of politics or elections or government laws, there are no lines drawn on a map and there is no involuntary participation. How does my example in any way resemble a state?
Wanna bet on how long it will stay that way, with all the "contracts" you are signing? Yes, let's not cut out the cancer because it might grow back.. In that case, do you care to explain why previous attempts at anarchy have all failed in the long run? Just for my amusement, of course. What attempts? |
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A state? There is no body of politics or elections or government laws, there are no lines drawn on a map and there is no involuntary participation. How does my example in any way resemble a state?
Wanna bet on how long it will stay that way, with all the "contracts" you are signing? Yes, let's not cut out the cancer because it might grow back.. |
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I don't consent to your "no murder" rule. Now what?
That's ok. Me and my friends who do accept this rule have decided to not offer you our services, so if you need food, you wont get it from us, if you need a job, you wont get it from us, if you need a place to live, we wont sell it to you. You can go into the wilderness and live among those who share your views. Btw we hired this excellent security firm that will use deadly force in case you try to hurt us to get any of the above stuff by using force. How does that sound? Sounds like you just started a State. Well done, you win the anarchy game! A state? There is no body of politics or elections or government laws, there are no lines drawn on a map and there is no involuntary participation and no one has "authority" over anyone else. How does my example in any way resemble a state? |
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The state doesn't create laws. People create laws by singing contracts between each other. That's what contracts are = private law between the signatory parties. |
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I don't consent to your "no murder" rule. Now what?
That's ok. Me and my friends who do accept this rule have decided to not offer you our services, so if you need food, you wont get it from us, if you need a job, you wont get it from us, if you need a place to live, we wont sell it to you. You can go into the wilderness and live among those who share your views. Btw we hired this excellent security firm that will use deadly force in case you try to hurt us to get any of the above stuff by using force. How does that sound? |
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Anarchy != chaos.
Anarchy == society with some private mandatory and consistent rules.
Who enforces them? Rules are private, so who do you think? So we can go around killing each other for whatever reason? Nice way to devolve back into the fucking Dark Ages. People would voluntarily sign up to receive a service that might/will kill them? You know that round thing between your shoulders attached to your neck? Try to use it. |
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- The government does have the authority to investigate and prosecute these cases
- Everyone with information on these cases should cooperate with law enforcement's investigation
- Even confidential information on these cases should be shared with law enforcement after they have followed due process for their jurisdiction
The government doesn't have the *moral* authority to give candy to a baby let alone prosecute anyone for theft. I would discourage everyone from ever going to the state for help, period. That being said, the individual that stole the coins can ethically be forced to pay restitution, but I wouldn't look to the government to do it. This is why we need competing defense agencies and dispute resolution organizations. That's interesting.  So which is it Luke?[/list] |
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