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2601  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: May 13, 2022, 10:23:56 PM
When it comes to Barcelona's chance for the Champions League title in the coming years, I think they can go back to those times again. It is all about having a solid system being applied to the team like all the time. If Xavi keeps his system and get efficiency from it a lot in time which is very likely, then Barcelona can start playing bigger in not only in the La Liga but also in the Champions League. In the end, it's going to be seven seasons that they aren't becoming the champions in the Champions League.
Next season Barcelona's opportunity to develop better is wide open. So I will not doubt the game that Barcelona have done so far. Of course with Xavi can still provide many significant changes next season. After all, they have a great opportunity to bring in some new players who will add strength to Barcelona even better than now.
Waiting with Barcelna fans because next season Xavi Hernandez have full controlling player composition depending he want. This seaaon they have reason with failure because Xavi just get player left by Koeman. I think need to see how good reputatoon Xavi Hernandez and can give many trophies for Barcelona or have bad season again. Barcelona looks most active on window transfer then give chance for Xavi with many new player option.
2602  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pajak 0.5% Untuk Aset CRYPTO??? on: May 13, 2022, 10:20:04 PM
Jika dari sebelumnya melarang, terus pada akhirnya memberikan support (meskipun hanya sebatas sebagai aset perdagangan saja), bukankah ini menandakan ada sesuatu dibaliknya  Grin.
Ada potensi yang dilihat cukup besar untuk dijadikan salah satu sumber pendapatan pajak negara dari sektor transaksi aset kripto tersebut.
Jika melihat data pertumbuhan Nilai Transaksi Aset Kripto yang ada di Indonesia menurut data dari Bappebti, pada 2021 saja naik 1.222% dari tahun 2020*, artinya memang cukup potensial pendapatan pajaknya. Namun saya kira harus berimbang jangan sampai dengan adanya pajak yang dirasa memberatkan justru menurunkan potensi dari sana.

* https://databoks.katadata.co.id/datapublish/2022/04/12/nilai-transaksi-aset-kripto-di-indonesia-meroket-1222-pada-2021
Jumlah transaksi yang meningkat cukup drastis dari tahun ke tahun pekuang potensial pendapatan pajak dalam dunia cryptocurrency di negara kita. Mungkin akan tetap dipertahankan jika ke depan transakai cryptocurrency meningkat karena antusias warga negara kita cukup tinggi dalam hal investasi. Namun ada sisi positif dengan diterapkan pajak karena stigma negatif tentang cryptocurreny selama ini bisa terbantahkan.
2603  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: May 12, 2022, 11:19:53 PM
Real Madrid had such an awesome game against Levante that it attracted my attention a lot. They demolished their opponent by 6-0 in Santiago Bernabeu. And Vinicius Junior was the player of the game for sure as he had 3 goals and 1 assist. Benzema scored another goal and reached 27 goals in the league too. Him and Vinicius have had an amazing season so far by many goals and assists.
I think most of us aren't surprised by Real Madrid large result vs Levante but Ancelotti did exactly what we expected by giving the opportunity to key players to play easy games with low risk of injury.
Apart Sevilla, all top 7 teams fighting for European competitions spots won this weekend.
Why have surprised with Real Madrid winning 6 goals from Levante? Exactly Madrid as the champion of La Liga this season and Levante still fight how out from relegation zone. Actually I am happy with Real Madrid can make 6 goals and special thing with Vinocous Jr success make first hattrick for Real Madrid. Become good salary with bigger score winni g from Real Madrid prepare for UEFA Champion League final against with Liverpool.
2604  Local / Ekonomi, Politik, dan Budaya / Re: Apakah Jika PD III Meledak, Crypto Akan Menjadi Solusi? on: May 12, 2022, 06:42:04 PM
Saya justru memiliki pandangan yang berbeda jika seandainya Perang Dunia ke 3 terjadi, kemungkinan besar cryptocurrency menjadi solusi yang tepat untuk mata uang digital. Hal ini tidak lepas bagaimana eksitensi cryptocurrency selama perang Rusia dan Ukraina mulai dari kebijakan presiden Rusia untuk mengadopsi bitcoin dan juga donasi yang diterima oleh pemerintah Ukraina via bitcoin dan juga beberapa dalam bentuk altcoin. Sangat jelas peran cryptocurrency meskipun kita tidak mengharapkan Perang Dunia ke 3 benar - benar terjadi.
2605  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: May 12, 2022, 06:35:46 PM
So far 18+ running time Cadiz can still keep pace with host Real Sociedad. Real Sociedad have not completely taken over their game and controlled the course of the match. I predict that Real Sociedad will be able to pick up the points in this match by a narrow goal difference, yes they will indeed by at least a goal or two.

Real Sociedad took a 1-0 lead in the first half. They scored the first goal in the 19th minute. Cadiz's Oussama Idrissi scored a goal in the 43rd minute, but it was disallowed. Winning this match is very important for Sociedad. Real Sociedad will have a chance to qualify for the Europa League if they can win this match. If they get 3 points in this match, they will be only 2 points behind Real Betis.
Adnan Januzaj added Real Sociedad's lead to 2-0 after scoring a penalty. If Real Sociedad are able to maintain a 2-0 lead over Cadiz until the final whistle, there is still hope for Sociedad to win the Europe League ticket with 2 matches remaining. The difference of 2 points from Real Betis still opens Sociedad's opportunity to win the Europe League ticket, although in the remaining 2 matches they have to deal with Villareal and Atletico Madrisd.
2606  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: May 12, 2022, 06:05:07 PM
Inter Milan success get Copa Italia trophy this season after success defeated Juventus and right now back focus with domestic league with left 2 match, still remaining 2 points from AC Milan keep focus with Inter have chance to get scudetto. But next matchday will be one way for Inter give up or not because if Milan success win from Atatalanta last matchday 1 point or draw with Sassuolo are enough with Capolista in this season. But Inter Milan if failed with 3 point actually Milan will make party before need waiting last matchday but have to win from Atalanta next match.
2607  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pajak 0.5% Untuk Aset CRYPTO??? on: May 12, 2022, 05:47:44 PM
hutang negara sudah menumpuk, menteri keuangan kita, mengambil konsep pajak amerika, pungutan pajak terhadap proyek baru akan di cari cara untuk penetapan pajak, namun hal ini juga menjadi beban bagi kitaketika menjual dan membeli token, kiri kanan akan di berlakukan pajak, jadi jalani aja.
Kalau sedikit-sedikit ngikut negara yang sudah maju, mati kita. Apalagi Amerika adalah negara yang penduduknya besar dan konsumtif, pendapatan perkapita Negara tersebut no.1 terbesar dunia, naik terus tiap tahun. Sulit dong, malah di sana tidak memungut pajak secara langsung, dalam artinya terbatas pada jumlah (misal, transaksi di atas $10K USD saja yang baru bisa dipajakin), kalau di bawah itu tidak. Sedangkan di sini, 1 rupiah pun dipajakin.

Disini kita sangat salah kaprah dengan meniru jejak negara maju dalam penerapan pajak, wajar pajak tinggi di sebuah negara maju dengan pendapatan kapita terbesar no 1 di dunia namun berbeda dengan negara kita, upah minimum pekerja saja paling kecil dengan harga kebutuhan pokok cukup tinggi. Hal ini berbanding terbalik dengan negara maju upah kerja dihitung per jam dengan gaji yang cukup besar dan pajak diatas rata - rata bukan satu hal yang sulit bagi mereka, namun sudah diterapkan dan tidak ada pihak yang keberatan mau tidak mau kita harus mengikutinya saja saat ini.
2608  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: May 11, 2022, 04:14:27 PM
I still feel the best possibility for Atalanta is to draw no win for them in this match.
Milan certainly doesn't want to lose in this match, even if they draw, they don't want to lose, but Atalanta can indeed be one of the scary scourges for Milan now.
Milan have to win the midfield and have to make good moves up front because it's certain that Atalanta will play defensively here

on paper, yeah, Milan should be won or the worst was a draw. But, it must be remembered that Atalanta are not a very bad team, they can still beat Milan. I believe it. I am not an atalanta supporter, on the contrary I am a Milan supporter. but, in my view, Atalanta is a threat for Milan, both teams are very motivated with their respective targets. However, Milan sometimes make a fatal mistakes in a game that makes them lose or draw. It's good if it's a draw, the champion can still be obtained if Milan wins next match. However, if it returns to a draw? On the other hand, Inter win 2x, the euphoria was gone for Milan.
Not good advantage with Milan on this matchday because have begin early match than Inter Milan playing one day later after Milan match, I think have different thing if Inter play early and defeat by Cagliari actually Milan can get Capolista by drawing only. But Milan can celebrate the champion before last matchday if success three points from Atalanta and one day later Cagliari can defeat Inter Milan. Exactly Inter have busy week with tonight against Juventus on final Copa Italia and few days have important match keep closing point with Milan.
2609  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: May 11, 2022, 03:42:12 PM
It's already 90 minutes as Barcelona humiliate Celta d Vigo 3-1.Barcelona in this game have shown full energy as they look forward to finishing in the top four finish this season after a poor start to the season.Thank God for Xavi Hernandez who came in to rescue them from where they were.He came in and brought the likes of Aubameyang from Arsenal and Adama Troure from Wolves,they both came in and created huge impact on the team as a whole.With the way Barcelona played this season,I am pretty sure they will contend for the Lalliga tittle next season.
Despite not been able to win the Europa League trophy. Is quite certain that Xavi have been a great help to Barcelona. Indeed, before he came to the Club, we can testify that Barcelona was in a terrible form. But, Barcelona is currently one of the most stable team with impressive performance in La Liga. However, Celta Vigo performance wasn't too bad, they got frustrated after getting a red card in the second half. While, Barcelona won the game, and strengthen their place on the standings.
Many people think Xavi have been higher contribution trough Barcelona this season after replace Ronald Koeman, actually looking on Barcelona achievement with Xavi Hernandez most terrible. Totally he was failed give Barcelona great performance with Champion league and first time Barcelona can't reach from group stage. Very bad achievement bigger team like Barcelona have out from Champion League on stage group before he keep failing with Europe League. I know he was success give second position place in this season but actually Xavi still can't give one trophy for Barcelona.
2610  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pajak 0.5% Untuk Aset CRYPTO??? on: May 11, 2022, 03:37:55 PM
Padahal pada postingan sebelumnya saya sudah sempat menyinggung tentang pajak crypto di India, namun saya tidak memberitahu persentase dan besaran pajaknya saja yang mencapai 30%.  Cheesy

Sebenarnya kita warga sekaligus trader crypto di Indonesia masih syukur dengan besaran pemotongan pajak berdasarkan keputusan Menterinya. Andai pemerintah menetapkan besaran pemotongan pajak yang mencapai 5% hingga 10% per transaksi swap crypto ke fiat, maka saya yakin volume transaksi pada exchange lokal bakalan berkurangan drastis.
Jangankan pemotongan pajan dari 5% hingga 10% per transaksi, saya rasa naik 1% saja market lokal bakal sepi dan volume transaksi pasti akan turun cukup drastis. Saat ini saja sudah lumayan pajak yang harus kita bayar apalagi dengan sistem perhitungan setiap transaksi yang kita gunakan, mulai dari beli hingga menjual kena pajak otomatis tingkat rasio keuntungan harus dinaikin lagi agar bisa mengambil keuntungan setelah pemotongan nilai pajak. Mungkin ada baiknya pihak exchange market meminta evaluasi kepada pemerintah untuk menurunkan nilai pajak cryptocurrency, apalagi saat ini belum ada feedback yang menguntungkan bagi pegiat cryptocurrency dari pemerintah.
2611  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: May 10, 2022, 11:39:14 PM
@Bloodseekers, In my opinion, it is currently very difficult for Roma to enter the champions league zone, because with only 2 matches remaining, it is certain that the champions league slot next season does not belong to Rome, but the most impossible thing in my opinion is that Roma enter through the European zone, because Rome does not play in the  european league this season and they only play in conference league, so it is impossible for roma now to get champions league ticket through european league zone Grin.
Champion League spot have been on Juventus hands not any team can reach Juventus points with 2 match left, right now left with Europe League spot and UEFA Conference League only because Lazio, AS Roma, Atalanta and Fiorentina have little different points. But Lazio favorite with UEFA Europe League remaining 3 points from AS Roma and need once time winning will lock UEFA Europe League ticket next season and make AS Roma, Atalanta or Fiorentina have take one ticket for UEFA Conference League next season. Maybe except with AS Roma if can win on UEFA Conference League will get ticket for participating on Europe League the same as team winning on UEFA Europe League become the winner will take ticket to champion league.
2612  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pajak 0.5% Untuk Aset CRYPTO??? on: May 10, 2022, 11:18:51 PM

btw, kemarin saya dapat info dari exchange Triv, perihal detail rincian besaran pajak pada transaksi aset kripto bisa dilihat ketika user menggunakan versi website dan IOS, sementara untuk android belum bisa lihat detailnya. Ada yang sedikit menarik, Triv malah menurunkan diantara biaya layanannya sebagaimana tertera pada screenshot berikut:
Sepertinya trik marketing, disaat yang lain menaikan biaya fee, mereka malah menurunkan, sehingga mengharapkan pengguna berpindah. Kalau saya lihat full mengcover pajak yang ditetapkan oleh pemerintah dalam artian pihak triv tidak memungut fee trading alias gratis. Tapi mungkin gak selamanya, mereka dapat untung dari mana kalau tidak ada fee?. kalau sudah dapat banyak user yang kecantol sama mereka lambat laun juga akan ada biaya untuk itu.
Triv tidak seperti market lokal lainnya yang aktif dan memiliki jumlah member yang cukup besar, mungkin dengan menurnkan fee transaksi bisa jadi salah satu trik marketing mereka bagaimana menarik banyak member untuk aktif lagi disana. Dulu saya pernah menggunakan Triv tapi sudah sangat lama karena waktu itu Triv support semua digital currency seperti PayPal, PayZa, Perfect Money dan juga tentunya Bitcoin, Triv fee withdraw dulu cukup murah dibandingkan dengan Indodax saat itu dengan fee 1% dan Triv hanya membebankan fee penarikan 10k setiap kali transaksi dan proses penarikannya instan hanya dalam beberapa menit langsung masuk ke rekening.
2613  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: May 10, 2022, 11:09:42 AM
even though real madrid lost atm, but it had no effect at all, because real madrid had already lifted the la Liga trophy, real madrid now only focused on the champions league final, in the champions league real madrid looks amazing, because they have proven to beat great teams, like PSG, Chelsea and Manchester city, can Real Madrid beat Liferpol again in the final?
Losing points in La Liga is no longer a problem for Real Madrid because indeed they have officially won the La Liga trophy for 2021/22, now Ancelotti main goal is of course the Champions League Trophy and that's why Ancelotti didn't field his main players for the rest of the La Liga matches,  madrid in the champions league this season is indeed quite thrilling cause managed to make a comeback that took them to the final, regardless of who wins the champions league later, but I hope the final match will be a fierce match because after all we will see the two best european teams facing each other.
Actually losing point on Madrid derby because Ancelotti try to give chance for second player composition and take rest for regular player after busy match on domestic league and UEFA Champion League, beside with losing points is not matter for Madrid after won La Liga trophy in this season. But next match I don't think Real Madrid will losing points again because will back with regular composition player beside UEFA Champion League final still several weeks later. Maybe on last matchday against with Real Betis have chance take rest regular player because final Champion League held on May 29 or one week later after last La Liga matchday.
2614  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: May 10, 2022, 10:36:15 AM
~Snip~
Mourinho and Roma want to complete this season with a trophy in Europa Conference League and fifth position in Serie A. Two match days left and it is likely that Roma will not end at the fifth position in Serie A. The race for that position is very tough right now with Lazio takes the lead with 62 points and three other clubs including Roma, Fiorentina and Atalanta have 59 points in total.

Even if Roma win last two matches, they will no longer control anything. All depends on Lazio in last 2 match days.

As a result of losing to Fiorentina, As Roma is in danger of failing to finish in 5th place, As Roma is 3 points behind Lazio who is ranked 5th, As Roma must win their last two matches, hoping Lazio lose points with Juventus and Verona. What's interesting is that in week 36 there were three teams that collected the same number of points, Roma, Fiorentina and Atalanta both collected 59 points. Roma who sit in sixth place have easy opponents in the last two matches, while Lazio will struggle to pack three points from Juventus who are one place above.


Next two match left AS Roma have easy against team from Venezia on next match and Torino as last match and give good chance with 6 points on hands, but still not sure although Lazio still have match against with Juventus can defeat Lazio because inconsistent performance from Juventus nowadays. Juventus have safety 4th position standing and behind 7 points from Lazio can't catch again with 2 match left and make Juventus little confused can defeat Lazio on next match or not. but AS Roma have getting full points before looking match result with Lazio and hope Juventus and Verona could get points from Lazio.
2615  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pajak 0.5% Untuk Aset CRYPTO??? on: May 10, 2022, 10:12:23 AM
Ini perlu riset mendalam sejauh ini kita bisa kalkulasi penggunaan exchange dalam negeri seberapa banyak kita contohkan salah satu penguna exchange lokal Indodax yang sudah mencapai 5 juta pengguna dari asumsi 11 jt penggunaan per February, nah disini seberapa banyak yang akan mengunakan platform luar? dan sejauh mana mereka teredukasi akan mengunakan exchange luar? Kita ketahui pengguna btt bisa teredukasi disini kalau ia nimbrung dalam diskusi lokal atau ada ikut servis program/bounty mereka mengetahui akses keluar selebihnya mereka hanya mengikuti trend jual beli cryptocurrencies pada platform dalam negeri.
Kalau ini spekulasi hanya sebatas pengguna yang telah mendaftar akun Indodax, yang menjadi hal penting saat ini seberapa banyak persentase pengguna yang aktif trade di market lokal baik di Tokocrypto atau juga di Indodax. Khusus Tokocrypto dari beberapa tahun belakangan ada event refferal dan tentunya tidak semua yang sudah membuat akun Tokocrypto aktif dalam trade di sana. Ini yang menjadi pertimbangan karena semakin berkurangnya jumlah member yang aktif trade di market lokal semakin berkurang fee yang diterima exchange lokal saat ini, ditambah lagi dengan penerapan fee pajak dari transaksi jual dan beli semakin ada indikasi kalau member yang trade di market lokal semakin berkurang saat ini.
2616  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: May 09, 2022, 10:50:20 PM
Not only the champions league even the european league doesn't meet the requirements Serie A only got one place in the european league which I believe lazio has already secured it, Roma can only play matches in the conference league it also has to go through the qualifying round. I don't blame Mourinho, because I know he can't get to pick or buy the players he wants maybe due to financial constraints.
Lazio have bigger chance qualify to Europe League this season depend with AS Roma after losing from Fiorentina, between Lazio and AS Roma remaining 3 points and have two match left looks difficult for AS Roma can finish on 5th position standing place. But AS Roma still have final on UEFA conference League will give automatically ticket for winning in this competition to Europe League or not, depending with the winning of Europe League have spot play on champion league next season.
2617  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pajak 0.5% Untuk Aset CRYPTO??? on: May 09, 2022, 10:43:49 PM
Jika hal ini terjadi untuk waktu yang lama, maka yang dirugikan sebenarnya bukan hanya user/trader, exchanger pun mengalami hal yang sama. Pasalnya, jika ini berlangsung secara terus menerus, trader memilih exchange luar, ya mau ga mau akan terjadi penurunan jumlah trader, untuk waktu yang panjang, maka penurunan pun akan sangat terasa dan mengecilkan volume trading. Karena exchanger mendapatkan keuntungan dari transaksi, maka jika transaksi semakin turun, otomatis pemasukan mereka pun akan menurun, lambat laun, mereka sangat besar potensinya untuk tutup.
Harusnya ada sinergi antara pemerintah dan juga exchange lokal saat ini dalam hal penentuan jumlah persentase pajak yang harus dibayarkan, jika jumlah seperti saat ini terus berlanjut sudah pasti trader lebih memilih untuk trade di market luar dan menjadikan market lokal sebagai tempat untuk melakukan penarikan semata. Satu sisi pemerintah terkesan memaksakan kehendak dengan jumlah pajak yang harus dibayarkan tanpa adanya negosiasi terlebih dahulu terutama dengan exchange lokal saat ini.
2618  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: May 09, 2022, 08:57:10 AM
Serie A have been 36 matchday right now and left 2 match only for Milan and Inter to be Capolista in this season, still favorite for Milan lead 2 points from Inter actually last night success defeated Hellas Verona and Inter Milan on this matchday success get full points against Empoli. Looking on match schedule AC Milan favorite for Capolista than Inter Milan have another important match against with Juventus on Copa Italia final. But 2 match left AC Milan have fight with Atalanta and Sassuolo as team ever make Inter losing points. But Inter less days taking rest can be chance for AC Milan keep touch on top performance until 38 matchday.
2619  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pajak 0.5% Untuk Aset CRYPTO??? on: May 09, 2022, 08:39:31 AM
Orang yang berusaha mencari cara untuk menghindari pajak transaksi crypto, menurutku masih bisa dikatakan lumrah, karena prinsip dasar dalam berdagang (trading) ialah berusaha untuk mendapatkan profit se-optimal mungkin. Yah meskipun nilai pajak dari transaksi Crypto terbilang cukup kecil, namun jika dikalkulasikan dalam setahun saya kira nilainya akan menjadi lumayan (untuk trader aktif, terutama trader yang mengutamakan aktifitas jangka pendek).
Kalau dikalkulasikan apalagi sampai tahunan, ya, pastinya akan berasa juga nilai potongan dari pajak transaksi kriptonya.
Dikatakan sepenuhnya mangkir juga tidak karena memang tidak ada larangan mau trade di exchange manapun selama kebijakan exchange tersebut masih memperbolehkan user dari negara yang bersangkutan. Dan ketika akan di withdraw ke fiat dengan menggunakan fasilitas exchange lokal toh tentunya bayar pajak juga.
Biasanya di fitur lain sistem pembayaran pajak di kalkulisan di akhir tahun namun berbeda dengan transaksi cryptocurrency setiap trade kita harus membayar pajak, saya rasa hal yang wajar jika saat ini trader negara kita lebih memilih trade di market luar dan Tokocrypto serta Indodax hanya sebagai perantara untuk penarikan saja, mengingat tidak dikenakan pajak untuk penarikan dengan jumlah berapapun. Efek ini mungkin sedikit tidak menguntungkan bagi market lokal jika semua trader akan lebih dominan melakukan hal yang seperti ini, trade di market luar dan withdraw BIDR misalnya dari Binance ke Tokocrypto dan hanya menjadikan market lokal sebagai wadah untuk penarikan BIDR ke rekening saja saat ini.
2620  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: May 08, 2022, 09:17:04 PM
And finally Atletico Madrid managed to defeat Real Madrid by 1-0 and they got the crucial win for them. It was not the easiest win for them though despite Real Madrid's starting with many substitute players. But getting that win was the most important thing in the end too. Now I don't expect Atletico Madrid to lose their place. They would manage to qualify for the CL and Betis would finish the season as the 5th most probably.
Looks Real Madrid not really care with Madrid derby on this time after locking La Liga trophy last week, almost have several substitute player from Luka Jovic replace for Karim Benzema position, Asensio, Camavinga until Vallejo. But very crucial match for Atletico because 3 points added have make Atletico Madrid with champion league apot next season with 6 points different from Real Betis on 5th position standing place.
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