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26041  Economy / Speculation / Re: Automated posting on: October 24, 2015, 06:59:33 PM
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26042  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 24, 2015, 03:56:25 AM
I think we will test 300, who knows how that will go, but I think we will test it either this weekend or beginning of next week. For some reason I think this time will be different than the last two attempts.


Given the recent action and the volume, testing $300 this weekend seems very plausible.

hopefully there are enough dollars available on the various exchanges, since we should all realize that it is much more challenging to move dollars around than to move BTC around - On the other and big players should know the deal by now, and should be sufficiently prepared by now.
26043  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 23, 2015, 08:47:22 PM
$300 printing up ~ could we see $420 party ... Soon™   Cool   lol



We need to receive some free beers from Adam, to inspire us.   Wink Cheesy
26044  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 23, 2015, 08:22:36 PM
Posting guild lines:
 Please lets keep this thread clean. ( I will be removing any off topic posts )
The only reason why this thread has outlived all the others on bitcointalk is that the "topic" extends from the walls at least fifty miles in every direction, so it is pretty hard to get "off" it.


That's true.   We are all over the place.

But then again, bitcoin is really a paradigm shifting development that has the potential to touch upon and affect all aspects of life.

 Wink Wink
26045  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 23, 2015, 07:06:40 AM
I was surprised by yesterday's rise and really did not expect another rise this morning. Have we secured our position above $270s?


NOT yet, but it is looking pretty good.  The next 12 hours are critical....
26046  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 23, 2015, 01:58:13 AM
One thing I learnt about this thread is this

* When price is going up and everybody is like "BITCOIN IS GOING TO THE MOON" or "Here $10,000 we come" it means its time to sell or go short.

* When price is crashing and everybody is like "BITCOIN IS A SCAM" or "BITCOIN IS GOING TO $1" it means its time to buy or cover.


Yeah, unfortunately this is the case... people in this thread have always been thinking in an "all or nothing" approach... but that's the fun of speculating, you never know what's going to be the outcome at anytime.  Once people see the prices go down a dollar, they are instantaneously ready to sell all of their bitcoins, and ready to watch the bitcoin world burn to the ground.

It's actually pretty funny to me, and love to monitor the thread all the time.


That's all bullshit.

Even though there frequently are common themes amongst some posters, participants in this thread can hardly be pigeonholed into merely a couple of categories.  Get real.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Also, if you engage in a communication (beyond superficiality) with any particular poster of this thread, except for maybe the most extremes of trolls, there is going to be a considerable amount of individual perspective and experiences and independent thinking - even when some of the individual posters may from time to time drone on and merely be stirring shit within a large number of their posts.
26047  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 22, 2015, 09:06:28 PM
Wonderful, its barely back up to where I bought it at last week.


DON'T be such a pessimist during these celebratory times.


 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Grin Wink Tongue
26048  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 22, 2015, 06:47:17 PM
We're gonna go up $300+ in 3 days. Mark my words.


Mark my words:   YOU are too newbie to be trusted.     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Tongue Tongue Tongue
26049  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 22, 2015, 06:45:02 PM

Besides the decent market movement today and the past week, I think that these developments over the past few days (variations of such news already posted in this thread) are providing various green lights for Bitcoin.


1) http://cointelegraph.com/news/115435/china-unofficially-authorizes-bitcoin-price-turns-bullish

2)  EU Rules Bitcoin is a Currency not a Commodity—Virtually

http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/10/22/eu-rules-bitcoin-is-a-currency-not-a-commodity-virtually/


3)  Australian banks’ closure of Bitcoin companies’ accounts under investigation

https://coinreport.net/australian-banks-closure-of-bitcoin-companies-accounts-under-investigation/
26050  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 22, 2015, 06:27:13 PM
It is funny when the price is moving really rapidly, it is easy to get caught up in the commotion, even when having a plan to execute and accidentally designate the wrong action for example to buy when you want to sell or to sell when you want to buy...


or is it just me?    Undecided Undecided Cry Cry Cry
26051  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 22, 2015, 01:25:46 PM
a six dollar pump? So what? It didn't even trigger my sell order. Why do you even care? What's these assholes like hdbuck even doing on a Wall Observer thread if they don't care about short and intermediate term prices as they claim?

I thought that you already sold at the first shot at $270, so you can "divest" a little?


Frequently you have a tendency to talk out of bot sides of your mouth - especially when it comes to your incorporating your book-talk
26052  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 22, 2015, 01:11:42 PM
Yes, that's right.  The gox bot is a bit of a myth... to give it so much credit for the rise in the price of BTC in 2013...    

It may have contributed to the rise in the price, but there were plenty of other things going on as well.


The most popular belief is that it was caused by a sudden and mysterious rise of demand in China. They base their assumption on the high volume that BTCChina showed during that time, while ignoring the fact that Chinese exchanges have the habit of faking volume.
The pump upwards was fueled by MtGox and BTCChina's volume was created only as a misdirection. BTCChina volume was only created to explain this sudden rise in demand and to hide the fact that the price is mainly pumped by Karpeles and his non existent money. Karpeles thought that he can pump bitcoin enough to start a rise that would make him back the coins that were lost by the previous hack. It backfired of a simple reason - Karpeles is a terrible trader. He was outplayed even by the majority, so his losses got even bigger in both coin and fiat. Most of the smart traders just profited from this pump and got out at the right time. Only the inexperienced get-rich-quick folks were the ones who didn't know the right time when to get out, but their investments were small and meaningless anyway.

I think that the bitcoin scenery is amusing because people are still in strong denial about the whole 2013 pump situation. Miners are still holding their high production cost coin because "any minute now, another mysterious and unexplained pump will surely come". But it won't come if no one is orchestrating a similar fraud.
The coming of Gemini is finally dissolving this myth that institutional investors are waiting for the right chance to be the greater fools of bitcoin. I think that this myth will now be more in the form of "ETF will change everything!".
So, to me, it's not a question if the bitcoin price will face a total collapse, but only when will it happen.
When will all the illusions of bitcoins worth finally fade. When people will finally realize that artificial scarcity doesn't work with something that is easily replaceable, and the network effect of bitcoin is mostly dependent on a bad brand name. That the future of crypto is not about them getting easy riches, but about better technological solutions that have addressed the problems that have kept bitcoin from being a practical tool of finance.


In essence, Mt Gox was one factor that affected BTC prices in various ways and continues to have some effects on BTC prices.

But in the end, merely because some people, including yourself and Question Authority are placing a lot of emphasis and explanation into the MT Gox pumping spin does NOT cause that to be some kind of true and meaningful assessment of the BTC situation.

You surely seem to spend a lot of time on these forums attempting to tell BTC enthusiasts that we are wrong... Why don't you go find a more fitting hobby and/or activity in which you can meaningfully contribute to some kind of positive change rather than wasting our time and possibly your time with your various meaningless prognostications and naysaying spins. 

Oh yeah, I forgot you cannot go somewhere else because you are likely needing to receive your pay for engaging in your FUD spreading.







26053  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 22, 2015, 05:34:07 AM
WillyBot would never have caused a bubble like the November 2013 spike on its own. China was primarily responsible for that pump. It's true that a mad rush for the exits from an exchange where only BTC withdrawals were possible caused buying, but only from those of us with fiat on the exchange.  Nobody in their right mind was sending fiat to Gox when there were so many options for buying cheaper elsewhere.

Krapeles was buying BTC with fake money to keep the illusion of solvency going, but he wouldn't have had to do that if their wasn't a demand for BTC external to EmptyGox.

It was also China's government hostility towards Bitcoin that contributed to the crash as much as the Goxxing.

it was a double whammy up and down. 

Yes, better said than me...
26054  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 22, 2015, 05:32:31 AM
... Gox Bot myth.
Savvy investors agree:
...
I'm NOT joking.  I bought my first Bitcoin at that price - $1,201.35.  Actually to be more specific, I bought it on November 29, 2013 through a person I met through local bitcoins.  I bought in cash 1.2486 BTC for $1,500 USD.

That would make anyone cringe now thinking back on it... but hopefully with more of the "bullish" news coming out that the Chinese government might make bitcoin less restricted over there, and the fact that the halving is coming next year; we'll see a steady increase from here on out.  So hopefully JayJuanGee can make his money back if he hasn't already dumped his coins yet and holding on to them for better days ahead.



Hahahahahah...

Thank you for your concern about my making my money back, but I am stating a fact while at the same time, I am NOT too concerned about that 1.2486 BTC that I bought, since my average price per BTC is currently below $500 and I have a real decent stash of BTC and other investments, so I am o.k... and NOT in any way to be considered a BTC victim....
26055  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 22, 2015, 05:27:50 AM
just saw 800 coins bought on bitfinex in 4 orders that werent shown in the orderbook. buys were for solid amounts, 100, 200, 200, 290... all filled at one exact price, no slippage at all...

very strange...

Yeah, I saw that too. Business transactions aren't being allowed to move the price at all. Small transactions from private individuals aren't enough to go "to the moon" as they say. When Karpeles moved the price he did it by manipulating 10's of thousands of btc at once. When are individuals ever going to do that?

For better or worse, they need to allow the currently off book transactions to move the price.


YOu are full of conspiracies today, including repeating, nearly at nauseum your Gox Bot myth.

Gox bot myth?  BTW you spelled bot as Bot. 


Yes, that's right.  The gox bot is a bit of a myth... to give it so much credit for the rise in the price of BTC in 2013...   

It may have contributed to the rise in the price, but there were plenty of other things going on as well.




26056  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 21, 2015, 05:19:50 PM
just saw 800 coins bought on bitfinex in 4 orders that werent shown in the orderbook. buys were for solid amounts, 100, 200, 200, 290... all filled at one exact price, no slippage at all...

very strange...

Yeah, I saw that too. Business transactions aren't being allowed to move the price at all. Small transactions from private individuals aren't enough to go "to the moon" as they say. When Karpeles moved the price he did it by manipulating 10's of thousands of btc at once. When are individuals ever going to do that?

For better or worse, they need to allow the currently off book transactions to move the price.


YOu are full of conspiracies today, including repeating, nearly at nauseum your Gox Bot myth.
26057  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 21, 2015, 05:15:43 PM
party is over...two attempts to ~275$ failed. Bye bye bitcoin!  Cry


Yeah.... haaaa hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Bitcoin is doomed because we have NOT reached $275 for nearly 2 months.


Fuck, I'm selling everything.
26058  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 21, 2015, 04:00:16 AM
I think you are the tip of the top.  When you capitulate and sell that bitcoin, we can finally move forward.


Actually, when I made that transaction for $1,201.35 per BTC, I had just established my local bitcoins account, and that was the only transaction that I made through local bitcoins.  

Thereafter, I started mostly obtaining my coins through Coinbase and thereafter mostly Circle.  Nonetheless, even though I was pretty close to the top of the market in the end of November 2013, around that same time (through the first week of December 2013) there were transactions through local bitcoins occurring for $1,500 per BTC.


Regarding selling that coin, I am NOT preoccupied with that particular BTC transaction because worst case scenario, I can average the cost of the transaction into the overall cost of my BTC portfolio which factors into my average cost per BTC.. which is currently a bit below $500 per BTC for my total portfolio of BTC including my various transaction costs, fees and some other incidentals that I include into such calculation of my real overall BTC situation.
26059  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 21, 2015, 03:15:22 AM
Every time I open bitwisdom I am reminded what the price was 18 months ago when it was the first thing I favorited on my new comp.  $445.75

lol! same here!

$480 here Tongue
$654.46


$1,201.35, here.

$10.000 at here
LOL



I'm NOT joking.  I bought my first Bitcoin at that price - $1,201.35.  Actually to be more specific, I bought it on November 29, 2013 through a person I met through local bitcoins.  I bought in cash 1.2486 BTC for $1,500 USD. 

That's an actual event that happened in the beginning of my bitcoin adventure.  I have been struggling to get out of the red ever since then.

ahaahahahahaha



26060  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 21, 2015, 02:51:11 AM
Every time I open bitwisdom I am reminded what the price was 18 months ago when it was the first thing I favorited on my new comp.  $445.75

lol! same here!

$480 here Tongue
$654.46


$1,201.35, here.
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