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26081  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: UK Financial Regulator’s New Initiative Encourages Bitcoin Innovation on: June 03, 2014, 10:37:18 PM
If the article is accurate it seems like Great Britain may actually try to foster bit coin business. This would be great. I suspect though that there is also a back door idea to regulate it heavily as well.

bitcoin an asset cant be regulated by financial regulators.. dont you understand.. financial ill say it again FINANCIAL regulators only regulate FINANCE. bitcoin in an asset.. not money.. thus it wont be FCA regulating bitcoin. FCA will only touch businesses using pound coins.

businesses (dont worry individuals im not talking about you) ... BUSINESSES will be overseen by Office of Fair Trading, Trading Standards, ombudsman, etc in regards to bitcoins, much like how pawn shops selling gold have to adhere to common business practices

EDIT:
i now see what people are obsessed about.. exchanges. so let me clarify. out of lets say 30,000 + UK bitcoin businesses in the future there would only be maybe 5-10 poundcoin touching exchanges. in those poundcoin touching bitcoin exchanges yes FCA will be involved. but that leaves 29,990ish businesses that dont need to worry about FCA.
26082  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The unit poll on: June 03, 2014, 10:13:40 PM

No, it's more like saying:

Candidate 1: 18 votes
Candidate 2: 16 votes
Candidate 3: 17 votes

Normal people will say nobody wins, due to no majority.  But you twist it to say candidate 1 should win because of more votes than either of the other 2 candidates.

Meanwhile, if you held the same poll with ONLY Candidate 1 and ONE of the other two candidates, you might find that most of the people who originally voted for the eliminated candidate would not vote for candidate 1, and instead would place their vote for the remaining candidate.  In that case, the MAJORITY don't want candidate 1.

This is one of many reasons why this poll is not useful.

There were a total of 68 voters.  38 of them (55.8%) chose NOT to vote for "bits" as a replacement word for MicroBitcoin.  Clearly, the majority do not accept that new usage that the vocal minority are trying to ram through.

i do not see an option that says

'not bits' : 38

you adding up multiple votes to twist results.

so now lets ignore your 18 17 16

and lets use:
Candidate 1 - 18
Candidate 2 - 12
Candidate 3 - 30
Candidate 4 - 6
Candidate 5 - 4

it is clearly obvious that candidate 3 has the most votes. yet you will add up candidates 1,2,4,5 to say 'no'.

you CANT add up other numbers just to twist the votes in your favour. as thats the kind of crappy move the UK government did, by adding the votes of candidates 4, 5 and 2. giving those votes to candidate 1 and made candidate 1 the leader (1 being a decision to form a coalition).

so lets remove the curtain:
Microbitcoin (0.000001), 100 b.u.    - 18
Microbit (0.000001), 100 b.u.    - 12
Bit (0.000001), 100 b.u.    - 30
Mike (0.000001), 100 b.u.    - 6
Micro (0.000001), 100 b.u.    - 4

using your logic i can say that
52 voters hate microbitcoin and only 18 love it
58 voters hate microbit and only 12 love it
40 voters hate Bit and only 30 love it
64 voters hate Mike and only 6 love it
66 voters hate Micro and only 4 love it

making Bit the least hated option, aswell as the most voted for lovers of Bit
26083  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The unit poll on: June 03, 2014, 09:06:23 PM
There are 33 votes for any option other than "Bits" (such as Microbitcoin, Microbit, Mike, or Micro).

there is no single option saying:

'any option other than Bits' that has 33 votes..

stop trying to manipulate votes.

this is like saying this:

candidate 1: 10 votes
candidate 2: 8 votes
candidate 3: 2 votes

normal people will say candidate 1 wins due to most votes.. but you will twist it to say an equal number of people disagree that candidate 1 should win simply by combining other votes.

leave the votes as they are..
26084  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does Bitcoin Require Regulations? on: June 03, 2014, 08:31:40 PM

"so as long as businesses run ethically and control FIAT responsibly......."

Yeah, right.

Leave Bitcoin alone anyway.

your depth perception seems limited. Cheesy

personal bitcoin transactions will remain free to do whatever they want. same goes for personal loans, and other peer to peer stuff.. but businesses... ACTUAL businesses do need some ethics.

take BFL for instance. wouldnt you even agree that if BFL didn't do the 1 year 'pre-order' but instead only offered pre-orders for no longer then a month (which is an acceptable reasonable time in regards to BBB policy) then consumers would be happier.

take intersango for instance, if as a business they had to register a business with companies house and get audited, wouldn't you and everyone have been happier that they were legit and be held legally accountable

in both cases these 'companies' acted like dodgy hobbyists taking large sums and acting like they are not accountable for anything.

this is not about bitcoin. this is about businesses treating customers correctly
26085  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does Bitcoin Require Regulations? on: June 03, 2014, 08:12:50 PM
Technology will be our regulator.

In cryptography we trust.

Now there is a very good thought!

Of course it has gone right over the heads of the gaming types.
I agree with you to some extent. Technology will be our regulator.


Exactly. Eventually, the radical transparency and funds-control offered by the blockchain and crypto will make much of what regulators do in the legacy financial system redundant. Proof-of-reserves, multi-sig, blockchain audits, etc, will allow consumers far more immediately verifiable information about the entities with which they choose to transact, plus more secure control of funds. Providing that sort of transparency and info to consumers was one of the main drivers for the existing regulatory body.

bitcoin is not money. governments have said it out loud in the US, UK, and multiple countries of Europe. so they and all of us agree that bitcoin itself will no be regulated by financial regulators, because its an ASSET! (which is a good thing)

so lets close the book on discussions of financial regulation of bitcoin.

now then, the oversight of BUSINESSES however will be apparent, for exchanges that use FIAT deposits/withdrawals they have to follow the current FIAT rules. also the business ethics side (consumer rights) there are already agencies in place such as BBB(better business bureau) OFT(Office of Fair Trading) etc.

so as long as businesses run ethically and control FIAT responsibly, then bitcoin can be left to do what it does best.
26086  Economy / Services / Re: $10,000 for information $50,000 for conviction. OgNasty on: June 03, 2014, 07:19:46 PM
Well this topic contributed meaningfully and I'm so glad I read this thread because im 10x the wiser....seriously after a quick search it seems you two have quite the history.

yup, and he will be jailed for his crimes. i know where he lives and what he does.

im not looking for reward. but i inboxed you a tip to ensure things happen faster
26087  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Need volunteers to get big chain Grocery stores in America to accept bitcoin on: June 03, 2014, 06:57:55 PM
im pretty sure that within the current population of bitcoiners, there are atleast a couple that work for the walmart group of stores. so if there are any walmart employee's or in the same plee, any employee's of other grocery/superstores. please raise your hands (reply to acknowledgement) then we can seek you to pester your boss, or get you to request your colleagues within the company to pass messages to your superiors.

you can even tell them that their is no need to swap all bitcoin for FIAT as you would happily receive your paycheck as pure bitcoin.

inform your superiors that you can be in direct contact with bitpay/coinbase and you can help set them up with those API's and services to integrate with the system
Asking for payment in BTC is fine and dandy, but it doesn’t push the issue of having the company accept payment for goods in BTC. The way I see it, the best way to enact that is by enabling their transactional systems to interact with the Bitcoin protocol. If we really want change, they need to have an automated system that allows this type of transactional sequence (and in order to truly push it, it needs some sort of micropayment protection). I feel that a company that develops this type of infrastructure can allow this to happen. And the best way of doing that is by creating a Point of Sale machine that has Bitcoin integrated.

... i understand your theory. but this topic is about getting volunteers..
in the past i have seen MANY flashmob attempts at asking merchants to accept bitcoin. the first step to get it to actually happen is for insiders to want it. thus having employee's talking about it and pushing info to their superiors is step one. then if the employee's know about the bitcoin API of coinbase and bitpay, and can help the company integrate it or atleast explain it to the company's tech department, is easier and more potential of results than simply flashmobbing the store.
26088  Economy / Services / Re: $10,000 for information $50,000 for conviction. OgNasty on: June 03, 2014, 06:51:08 PM
What looks like he has one of the best trust ratings here at the forum? can we have a littlle more information links?

Not interested in the bounty just interested in why hes a scammer.

his attacks funded by theymos and the forum!

very deep and insightful explanation, very detailed and thorough. many links. so thank you for all of that explanation..

... oh wait, thats what i would have said if you did in fact explain
26089  Economy / Speculation / Re: When will Bitcoin reach $1 again? on: June 03, 2014, 06:46:54 PM
for the last 4 months whales have been trying to push the price down. and the furthest they got was $400...

the cost of mining and the other facts that people refuse to sell at a loss from their original purchase price made it an unachievable effort to go below $400..

so $400 is the new low and will stay that way, no one is stupid enough to sell at a loss, so dont expect anything below the new low as it has already been tried and tested for 4 months.

so to all of those missing the low price, i am sorry. and now the hash rate is at a 'exohash' dont expect it to fall, there will be another attempt in the future to find a new low point and that number will be higher then $400, so buy now before you regret it when prices hit the thousands again.
An exohash would be 1,000 petahash.  We're only at 96 petahash, so a ways away from that.  I wouldn't be surprised to see an exohash by the end of the year though.

thanks for the correction its 0.1 exohash tooooooooo many zero's so i mis-counted. i'll edit my post to correct it Cheesy
26090  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: UK Financial Regulator’s New Initiative Encourages Bitcoin Innovation on: June 03, 2014, 06:39:17 PM
Would be nice if Britain took the lead in financial innovation, but I'll remain cautious and not get my hopes up.  The banking sector has a huge presence in London and I'm sure they won't be too eager for lots of Bitcoin businesses to start popping up around them.  Fingers crossed, though.  It'll definitely benefit the economy if we're at the forefront of supporting this technology and other places are left to play catch up.  

Britain will probably not lead in financial innovation as only london has a huge presence and no other country in the uk has a lot of banking involvement.

The FCA can only control businesses that use the pound coin side. they do not have jurisdiction over the bitcoin side, so FCA rules wont change unless they losen the red tape of the pound coin side of business.

as for banks, that is the major hurdle that needs to be fixed. and 'baitty': london is not a huge financial presence as you think. bank of scotland owns lloyds, halifax and lots of subsidiaries. ireland owns alot of banks (which facebook and apple love). so its not just about the london financial centre, it truly is about the UK financial centre.

bitcoin itself does not need regulatory approval. all that is needed is to reduce red tape to inspire businesses to grow. and also not regulation but business ethics in regards to sales of goods act and and OFT (office of fair trading) need to be reviewed to also help businesses run ethically without strangling them.
26091  Economy / Speculation / Re: When will Bitcoin reach $1 again? on: June 03, 2014, 05:50:14 PM
for the last 4 months whales have been trying to push the price down. and the furthest they got was $400...

the cost of mining and the other facts that people refuse to sell at a loss from their original purchase price made it an unachievable effort to go below $400..

so $400 is the new low and will stay that way, no one is stupid enough to sell at a loss, so dont expect anything below the new low as it has already been tried and tested for 4 months.

so to all of those missing the low price, i am sorry. and now the hash rate is at 0.1 'exohash' so dont expect it to fall, there will be another attempt in the future to find a new low point and that number will be higher then $400, so buy now before you regret it when prices hit the thousands again.
26092  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Need volunteers to get big chain Grocery stores in America to accept bitcoin on: June 03, 2014, 03:46:22 PM
im pretty sure that within the current population of bitcoiners, there are atleast a couple that work for the walmart group of stores. so if there are any walmart employee's or in the same plee, any employee's of other grocery/superstores. please raise your hands (reply to acknowledgement) then we can seek you to pester your boss, or get you to request your colleagues within the company to pass messages to your superiors.

you can even tell them that their is no need to swap all bitcoin for FIAT as you would happily receive your paycheck as pure bitcoin.

inform your superiors that you can be in direct contact with bitpay/coinbase and you can help set them up with those API's and services to integrate with the system
26093  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Exisiting Business starts accepting Bitcoin - Tips and Advises on: June 03, 2014, 11:11:40 AM
Hi there,

I did a quick search in the forum and I wasn't able to find anything quite recent about this.

Do you guys have any suggestions/advises for quite a big and really established business (based in London) that starts accepting Bitcoin payments ?
What's the best way to communicate it to the community ? And make sure that all the biggest bitcoin news related sites will bring it up ?

Thanks in advance and sorry if the question has been asked already

make a youtube video of a demo purchase
EG show you walking upto the business entrance, walk inside order a product and then pay in bitcoins.

publish the link here, and put on all the 'coinmap' sites. then email coindesk and the other bitcoin media/social sites and post th link there too.. oh and reddit.
26094  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin Confusion on: June 03, 2014, 10:56:24 AM
bitcoin does have voting already.

EG

send funds to one of these people
person A 1amadeupaddress1
person B 1amadeupaddress2
person C 1amadeupaddress3

the person with most received wins..

now wasnt that simple
26095  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin Confusion on: June 03, 2014, 10:24:04 AM
NXT is a premined and centralised scheme. it belongs in the facebook credits and itunes credits category, not the bitcoin category.

i say this because its more of a facebook 2.0 (using blockchain instead of sql database) more so then a truly free market decentralised currency

dont knitpick the analogy, its intention is purely to be as laymen as possible in as short an explanation as possible
26096  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin's Futile Quest to Be a Currency on: June 02, 2014, 09:46:27 PM
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB20001424052702304363404579590360416472206?mod=itp_wsj&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB20001424052702304363404579590360416472206.html%3Fmod%3Ditp_wsj
believe its a non pay wall version. if not i quoted it below (sneaky trick copy the viewable paragraph of a paywall article. and paste the paragraph into google Cheesy )

Quote
Bitcoin is a fascinating and ingenious technology, but most promoters are mindful of neither the monetary nor the tax issues. For all practical purposes IRS regulations issued in March preclude bitcoins from being used as an alternative currency.

The IRS treats bitcoins as property. The result is that bitcoin transactions trigger a taxable event. Buyers incur a tax liability for the difference in dollars between what they paid for a bitcoin when they acquired it and the dollar value attributed to the bitcoin when they spend it. Sellers of course are subject to a tax based on the dollar value of the bitcoins they receive for a good or service.

To comply with these tax regulations, buyers and sellers must log all bitcoin transactions and report them at tax time. For transactions that require future payment, buyers and sellers undertake an exchange-rate risk involving the dollar value of bitcoins. This will greatly reduce, or perhaps eliminate entirely, using bitcoins for settling future payments, which is the principal use of money.

Some bitcoin zealots reject the effect of triggering taxable events on the theory that bitcoin transactions are anonymous. That is arguable. What is not arguable is that one who doesn’t report a taxable bitcoin gain is guilty of tax fraud, which is a felony.

In other words, the future of bitcoins depends on users willing to log all transactions, report them at tax time, and pay a tax or to engage in tax fraud. As soon as one of them ends up in prison, that will be the end of it.

Why bitcoins to begin with? We already have a virtual currency, the dollar, which has the purported benefit of being the world’s “reserve currency.”

Some people see a problem because dollars can be created at the whim of the Federal Reserve, and as former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan once put it, “without limit.” This depreciates the purchasing power of dollars saved or promised for future payment, such as pensions. At least the quantity of bitcoins is supposedly limited by the mathematical algorithm that creates them. As an interesting aside, the bitcoin folks call the creation process “mining,” an allusion to real money.

Bitcoin supporters understand that dollars are no longer money in the classical sense, i.e., something that has a unit of dimension defined in the physical world, as Sir Isaac Newton put it circa 1699 when he was England’s Warden of the Mint. With neither debate nor anyone voting for it, the dollar has been transmogrified into an ethereal concept of money without any tie to the physical world, created out of nothing, and forced into circulation with legal tender laws.

As Australian comedian Michael Connell so brilliantly put it, what we used to call money has been transformed into “the idea of money.” Mr. Connell’s metaphor is that it’s like playing musical chairs, but instead of chairs there is the “idea of chairs.” It is absurd.

This brings to mind a related issue: U.S. Gold and Silver Eagles, which are legal tender for their face amounts under Title 31 of the United States Code. Yet as with bitcoins, the IRS arbitrarily treats these coins not as currency but as property, thereby preventing their use as money.

Consider: If you pay your taxes with a $50 Gold Eagle, you get credit for $50. No mystery there. However, if you spend a $50 Gold Eagle (or a $1 Silver Eagle), you trigger a taxable event on the difference between what you paid for the Gold Eagle and the market value of the gold in the coin when you spend it. Two recent cases challenging the IRS on this matter went up to the Supreme Court, but the court declined to hear the cases.

It is thanks to the IRS that no one uses so-called gold clauses, which would give creditors the right to demand Gold Eagles as payment in contracts. In other words, IRS policy that has no statutory authorization has rendered inoperative gold clause legislation passed by Congress in 1977.

Bitcoins have neither the advantage of being legal tender nor laws enabling their use. Folks who are accumulating bitcoins should take note.
26097  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The only way Bitcoin can be back by GOLD on: June 02, 2014, 09:43:34 PM
bitcoin doesn't need to be backed by gold. Bitcoin is backed by the technology math
26098  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is the inability to be charged a problem? on: June 02, 2014, 09:42:10 PM
This is just like using credit cards filled with bitcoin, a centralised agency will have to take care of the payments, defeating the purpose of bitcoin in the first place lol.

no, bitcoin life savings should be self managed. in cold stores of the owner. but daily spend amounts wold be used in third party services for convenience, benefits and features that cold stores do not allow.

much like banks store life savings but crdit cards offer features for daily spends

much like share holders store large amounts of shares as certificates and only play with small amounts on trading platforms

much like many people store 90% of bitcoins cold store and only risk 10% (well they should do) on bitcoin exchanges.

people will learn putting all their wealth into a third party service is stupid. this is why rich people own gold, expensive real estate, antique art, etc. because they do not trust third party services to store all their wealth, but will happily use third party services for daily/weekly spend amounts.
26099  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Which Block Explorer do you use ? on: June 02, 2014, 08:06:56 PM
id recommend businesses to NEVER use one service.

there may be reasons why one service is delayed, or has iffy results (yes it has happened)
especially with users funds have your API triple check payments using 3 balance checkers.
26100  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I'm trying to raise money/Indiegogo support for a bitcoin comedy feature film on: June 02, 2014, 07:42:31 PM
we all know that no matter what currency is sued, there will always be laundering and drgs. but highlighting such in a movie is going to send the legitimacy 'perception' backwards. so that is one thing holding back any large investors

secondly your video on indigogo.. sounded quiet. if i had to put my sound up to full just to hear the faint whispers, then i dont think you have the required technical skills to record a movie.
.. basically it was a pain to hear you speak so it does not look like a good show of skills.

so re edit your proposal video to increase the volume. so it atleast appears you know how to video edit. and as for bitcoins 'perception' in the actual movie, maybe add a 2 minute scene where he starts as a FIAT launderer, drug dealer. thus equalizing the 'perception' that bitcoins is only about drugs
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