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2621  Other / Off-topic / Bitcoin is North Korean? on: May 21, 2014, 01:00:56 PM
North Korea has been building a ton and modernizing in the last two years - it's the only explanation.

NaKamoto.  NK = North Korea.
2622  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ethnic cleansing in Ukraine. on: May 21, 2014, 11:58:16 AM
There's no ethnic cleansing in Ukraine - Stalin (a Russophile) already did 99.9% of it back in the late 1940s and 1950s.  


Stalin relocated the Tatars to Central Asia - only a small number returned
Stalin relocated all the Poles (200,000+) in Ukraine to Poland, in Operation Vistula.  
Stalin rounded up any Germans on Ukrainian soil and sent them to Central Asia
Stalin scared the Jews so bad that most fled for America and Israel.


It was ironically Stalin, despite Ukrainians who hate him, who otherwise made Ukraine a relatively homogenous nation (with Ukrainian and Russian language) from an ethnic point of view.  

Russia itself isn't homogenous either - it's technically less homogenous than Ukraine.  If Slavic is the race then Russia is very heterogeneous from all the Finnic people, the Asians / Tatars in Siberia and then the Caucasians in Caucasia.

 It was Khrushchev who had to complicate things by transferring Crimea over to Ukrainian SSR, as Crimea was populated by Russians who descended from Russian Russians who didn't have anything to do with Ukrainian people or culture.  

Khruschev could had avoided a lot of problems had he transferred Kuban (instead of Crimea) to Ukraine.  Kuban was already full of Ukrainians (Kuban Cossacks who descend from Zaporozhe Cossacks from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, although they are Russophile and speak Russian).

 At least that way, Russia could have had help in the 1990s against the Chechens and all the Georgian crap would be Ukraine's problem.   Grin
2623  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Fidel Castro lived like a king in Cuba, book claims on: May 21, 2014, 11:48:25 AM
Yes it happens here too.  Information about the rich's lifestyle is published but not necessarily publicized knowledge.  

I was watching a documentary about the mega rich and one (billionaire?) guy was bragging about how he bought six mansions on his street - because he "didn't want any neighbours".     Mind you, this opulence of wealth is in the Great Recession America where many people have lost their jobs and modest homes and some reduced to living on the streets.

The living arrangements of the rich are something most people in this society can't imagine and they don't want to know, because they would be envious.

Myself I was watching the television the "Housewives of (insert city)", and the television show caused huge backlash in my city that it didn't make it to season 3.

 I live in a very high cost of living metropolitan and many people were outraged when a show about train wreck disgusting divorcee middle aged women were living it up in Condo Penthouses. . when hard working office professionals with six years plus of education can barely afford the half million one bedroom condos. .  it got us peasants angry. .   Tongue
2624  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: May 20, 2014, 08:48:27 PM
May alpha looks unlikely?
2625  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Winklevoss twins: Bitcoin will be bigger than Facebook #bitcoin #facebook on: May 20, 2014, 01:41:38 PM
Bitcoin isn't even that liquid yet, though.  What could they do if they had billions in Bitcoin?  Nothing really.

I thought it was well known that the twins were going to create some Bitcoin fund and sucker naive babyboomers to give them cash in hand.  The twins walk away with $Fiat in hand and the holders get a currency which might die or be replaced by an alt within 40 years.
2626  Other / Off-topic / Re: Most expensive divorce settlement ever: $4.5 billion on: May 20, 2014, 01:26:41 PM
don't get married if you have billions, surely your wife will marry you thinking in divorce you and get some billions to her

don't get married at all would be a good advice in some countries where the woman can divorce you at any moment without any reason and separete you from ur family

That will be a bit harsh. Living with your girlfriend and raising your children can be hard, as there will be a lot of social pressure. Live-in couples are discriminated against, when compared to married couples.

No they're not.  They all fly under the radar these days.  Calling each other spouses, have rings but no marriage documents.

Mind you cohabitation without papers is risky too.
2627  Other / Off-topic / Re: Most expensive divorce settlement ever: $4.5 billion on: May 20, 2014, 01:21:54 PM
But he was in.... LOVE!!


2628  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Oh China...Getting Tense on: May 20, 2014, 05:05:08 AM
We'll get our $100K USD Bitcoin but unfortunately a sandwich at Subway will cost $300.   Cheesy
2629  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: May 20, 2014, 04:13:15 AM
伟大的nem的团队们:
  此时我在电脑前看btc走势,看的心烦意乱,看的心灰意冷,想起了你们,伟大的新经济运动者们!我不知道你们
有没有回头去看看你们的创世贴,当初说的那些有多少实现了,又有多少没有兑现,我不知道你们为什么把NEM命名
为新经济运动,当你站在今天或者明天我不知道你们会不会脸红,害臊。作为经济最核心的契约精神你们做到了多少?
  我们这些拥护者们给了你最大的耐心和鼓励,还专门派了一批拍马屁的围着你们给你们打气鼓劲,也许这是害了
你们,看看你们这几个月做了什么,拿出来给我们看看。我们等于对着空气吹嘘是如何的美好的未来!
  几个月来我们唯一所看到的名单,不停的,永无止境的折腾名单。你们只会玩excel,你就说一下,好吗。别折腾人了。
  大家都知道有个PTS,业界鼎鼎大名的持久战骗子。当初我不厌其烦的在群里解释nem跟PTS是不一样的,我现在
自己也说不清楚到底哪里不一样了,至少人家出了pts让大家玩了个概念,虽然bts以及bts的兄弟们都还是传说。
  我们的每一份投资都是一份契约,你们搞经济运动应该明白,你收了我们的每一份nxt和BTC就是契约的开始,你们凭
什么随意的说开除就开除呢,至少你在创世贴没有声明一个人只能投资2份吧。这就是你们第一次违约,按照现实经济
你们是要支付违约金的,可惜比特圈是个怪圈,我们无可奈何而已。
  现在你们又开始折腾了,说什么把投资者根据回帖数分成1.2.3等级.我知道你是个书呆子,或者根本没有参加过什么
经济活动。我们是股东,我们是投资者,我们负责出钱,我们不负责溜须拍马。为什么回帖少就等级低啊,你们现在
神马都没有凭什么要我们给你跪舔啊。你倒是给我们一个理由。作为投资人我们不一定懂英文,不一定是码农。我们
没本事给你技术上的那些天马行空的意见。但是我们是股东,是投资者。我们负责出钱,你们负责出货。现在东西呢,
该兑现了吧!伟大的团队!
  又来了,搞股份拍卖,圈钱啊。骗完小白开始骗大白了吧。就凭你们这点一天到晚想着,变着法子圈钱的主能搞出什么
好东西来啊。拍卖无非就是想抬高价格啊,但是你们的货呢。给我们看看货色啊。如此空洞的东西你凭什么拍卖啊。老子不
差钱就差没地方投资好东西。但是我不会去买一个画出来的饼。
  不得不佩服nxt的作者,以及现在在努力着的nxt团队,人家是真正做实事的人,你们还一天到晚揪着nxt的辫子说三道四的
还有一帮走狗起哄捧场。但是问题是到现在为止你们憋了这么久的这个屁还是没放出来。nxt拿了多少钱,人家花了多少时间
出的作品啊。一帮庸才构思伟大的新经济运动,别整出个笑话来。我没觉得nxt的股份结构有什么不公平的地方,这真正提现了nxt
是天才的作品。股东们惜售的现实摆在面前。你的nem如果能做到上市几个月没有成交量那才是真正的成功。那些嚷着不公平的恰恰
是当年没勇气,没抓住机会的。也就是吃不到葡萄说葡萄酸的小人。我没吃到葡萄我也不说葡萄酸。因为我是君子。
  当然,我还是期待你们能真正的放出一个响亮的屁出来。尽快的,不求完美的。没有那个作品出来就是完美的,nxt也在不断
的修正,不断的往前走。前提是你们踏踏实实的做实事。而不是搞什么拍卖,整那个名单。每个投资者都是对你们的信任,
投的越多给的信任越多,你们已经辜负了这份信任。无情残酷并且粗暴的践踏了这份信任。
  我相信你们团队不是每一个都是合格的,无休止无意义的争论肯定是多的一塌糊涂。也就是说空洞的东西太多,干的东西太少。
虚拟币是个快速发展的事物,就像当年的互联网。当年很多尝试被证明是失败的,要么是方向性错误,要么是时机不成熟。nem需要的
是个结构性的产品,而不是完美的产品。不是今天出的就要适应未来几年或者几十年的产品。关键是要有一定的包容,一定程度的
扩展空间能在将来吸收新的概念进来,现在虚拟币的圈子是个概念的时代。各种概念但是大部分是不现实的是经不起时间检验的,nem
要做的是随着时间的推移能不断的吸收新概念,而不是今天把所有的概念都做进去。这才是大师的作品。
  最后,还是期待早日看到nem成为现实,成就伟大。
                                                                         一位投资者的小号
强烈帮顶,写出了大家的心声。nem团队还要这样子不作为下去吗?
请学习下nxt的努力进取 qora的效率

In english, please.  Wink
I don't speak chinese or japanese.

Something about Qora in the end.

Satoshi 1.0 and BCnext 2.0 make NEM 3.0.   Spread the news to everyone in China / Japan / Korea!
2630  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] CDN:Canada eCoin-merge mineable scrypt | live 28-MAR-14 @ 5PM EST [ANN] on: May 20, 2014, 04:05:07 AM
Why does Canada, which largely avoided the world recession and has easy six figure jobs in the oil sands and has one of the more sane banking systems, need a crypto currency?    Roll Eyes

2631  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: May 20, 2014, 03:15:57 AM
The "real world" is what pisses people off. It's what we're trying to change. Imho we need to replace fiat not rely on it for the future.

This is what your are proposing (plz correct me if I'm wrong):

I wan't to buy a burger and exchange my fiat for NEM.
I give those NEM to Squidward at the counter.
Squidward imediatly exchanges those NEM for fiat again.

Why on earth wouldn't we just exchange fiat directly ? In your scenario cryptos don't have any purpose.

Imagine the same scenario but Squidward exchanges his NEM for a different fiat curreny then what I bought my NEM for. That's actually what Ripple is all about and it's a great concept but I don't think it's the main purpose of NEM. Imho we should try to get rid of fiat for good.



You say the real world is pissed off, probably  by our governments printing money and creating inflation, right?  

Banks create like 9x more money than governments.

This is true.  Inflation from Government Banks / Printing is only a few percentage, which does add up over the years, but it pales in comparison to money printed out of thin air through fractional reserve banking.  If you deposit $10,000 - the bank takes your money and creates $90,000 out of thin air and issues that capital - the bank gets away with it until there is a bank run.

People underestimate how much damage all this cheap and made up money has caused.  Before these banking practices became standard, almost everyone had access to affordable housing and tuition.  Cheap credit is what largely fuels the housing, stock and education bubble which hurts young and middle aged adults.  Cheap credit even affects basic consumer goods, since people can throw their soda and chicken wings on credit card which results in artificially increased demand for those consumer goods and causes prices to rise in response.  

In a real, sane world, without cheap credit - people would save money to buy the things they want and the prices would remain reasonable due to low demand and competition to attract customers.  Before student loans became mainstream, people were able to afford university tuition and living expenses with a summer job in the 1970s and earlier.   Much like in the 2008 recession when demand plummeted, we saw insane sales and discount offers for the next several years because companies were desperate for any money.

2632  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who the hell is Max Keiser? on: May 20, 2014, 02:36:01 AM
Max Keiser made Bitcoin himself, isn't it obvious.   Grin
2633  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] HuskyCoin HC [X11] | PoS | No premine | No IPO | Multipool Cashback System on: May 18, 2014, 10:56:02 PM
ok
2634  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: who are the youngest bitcoin millionaires? on: May 18, 2014, 07:27:55 AM
The bees brothers? Maybe?

Nope.  We are a long way from being  millionaires.   It didn't help that our first 200 bitcoins we gave to the the Pirate ($2000 at the time). Cry

They have also spent a fair amount of btc on things they need, their schooling supplies (we homeschool), and some of their activities.




Why did people who had BTC sell so early?  Didn't you all have jobs or careers that paid for your living expenses?
2635  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you think China will completely BAN bitcoin? on: May 18, 2014, 07:17:34 AM
I think there are two possibilities to the china situation:

1)  The chinese government owns a large amount of bitcoin and is pump/dumping them, in order to make money.  If this is the case, china will not ban bitcoin completely, because it hurts the value of their asset.

2)  They actually want to ban it.  They can try, but bitcoin is made to get around government, so resisting bitcoin is futile

TL;DR, good luck china

I somehow doubt the government itself holds coins.  A government isn't a collective hive mind - it's technically a group of individuals acting in (chaotic) cohesion.  It's probable that high ranking members in the Chinese government are leveraging their position to do insider trading in Bitcoin.

It's easy.  If China said: "Bitcoin is 110% legal now", Bitcoin would skyrocket up to $1500 within a month - that's a 3x return if you're a Chinese millionaire government official.
2636  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you think China will completely BAN bitcoin? on: May 18, 2014, 02:17:59 AM
If you look at Chinese history - their governments have been anti-technology through the ages and it takes them awhile to accept new ideas.


The question is can China really afford to miss out on crypto currencies?  What if the new financial order in this world is later based on Bitcoin or some current alternate coin?  World capital would reset and gravitate back to the west, much like it did during the Victorian ages, and the Chinese would be the clear losers in that regard.
2637  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: who are the youngest bitcoin millionaires? on: May 17, 2014, 02:45:52 PM
I offered to take women on vacation right after high school too... thankfully they all said no, it meant longer vacations for me.   Cheesy
2638  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: who are the youngest bitcoin millionaires? on: May 17, 2014, 11:35:06 AM
You guys strongly underestimate how few millionaires there are, in the first place.  

http://bitcoinrichlist.com/

There's only 700 wallets with amounts over $1 million and 65 with amounts over $5 million.    Arguably, to be "YOLO", you need at least 10 million and there's even fewer of those wallets.

Some of those wallets belong to exchanges.  I know the whales also split up their wallets to prevent hack thefts.  Still - while no one knows for sure - the amount of genuine millionaires from Bitcoin is likely only a small handful of people (10 to 20 early birds back in 2009).   Bitcoin honestly has to hit $10K if you want millionaire stories to be common here.
2639  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vice President Joe Biden's Son Joins Board Of Largest Ukraine Gas Producer on: May 17, 2014, 11:05:18 AM
I just wonder at times what it would have been like to have been born into a different family. One whose parents and/or lineage had powerful political connections that would have allowed me a position early in life that would guarantee me not having to work for the rest of my life.

It wasn't some lottery.  Your parents had sex without a condom and you came out 9 months later, it was that simple and innocent, and everyone is born that way.
2640  Economy / Economics / Re: Early Retirement Extreme on: May 17, 2014, 10:48:13 AM

Most people, especially in here, don't understand that most "assets" are not investments because they have been brainwashed by banks to think that their devalued car is an asset. Their house is an asset. And so on.
When in reality, if it were not for the housing bubble, most people would never see any kind of profit from a home sale. And you certainly cannot expect to profit from selling most cars. Yet banks view this form of chattel as something with value and therefore brainwash you to believe that you are making money by owning them and borrowing from the bank against them.

I agree on one part.

A car is definitely not an asset in general, particularly recent models, but I don't think banks promote them as assets, but simply provide debt to allow their purchase. The debt usually amortises fast, to reflect the expected decline in value. It's similar to paying for a lease on a car, no-one expects to have any savings as a result of it.

That said some older cars, if bought well can be great assets, such as collectible sportscars, which have rocketed in value recently (mainly older Porsche/Ferrari/McLaren etc).

Regarding housing, other than in the recent bubble, which was extreme by any standards, especially for the US, housing has generally been an excellent asset. It is is almost always been cheaper historically to pay a mortgage over 30 years, than to pay the ever increasing rentals over the same period and equally over the longer holding periods capital values increase massively. Owning rental property is even better, since the upside is free provided the tenant pays the mortgage. The majority of privately owned wealth at middle-income levels in most developed countries has been created from ownership of property. Few people make significant wealth from simply saving their incomes through their lives.



Any money you may saved from a mortgage will come at the cost of career opportunities.  You can't relocate for a promotion or a better job on the whim, if you're stuck with some mortgage.    There's a reason why many people consider your house to be your biggest liability (in more aspects than one) rather than an asset.
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