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2621  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: May 10, 2022, 11:09:42 AM
even though real madrid lost atm, but it had no effect at all, because real madrid had already lifted the la Liga trophy, real madrid now only focused on the champions league final, in the champions league real madrid looks amazing, because they have proven to beat great teams, like PSG, Chelsea and Manchester city, can Real Madrid beat Liferpol again in the final?
Losing points in La Liga is no longer a problem for Real Madrid because indeed they have officially won the La Liga trophy for 2021/22, now Ancelotti main goal is of course the Champions League Trophy and that's why Ancelotti didn't field his main players for the rest of the La Liga matches,  madrid in the champions league this season is indeed quite thrilling cause managed to make a comeback that took them to the final, regardless of who wins the champions league later, but I hope the final match will be a fierce match because after all we will see the two best european teams facing each other.
Actually losing point on Madrid derby because Ancelotti try to give chance for second player composition and take rest for regular player after busy match on domestic league and UEFA Champion League, beside with losing points is not matter for Madrid after won La Liga trophy in this season. But next match I don't think Real Madrid will losing points again because will back with regular composition player beside UEFA Champion League final still several weeks later. Maybe on last matchday against with Real Betis have chance take rest regular player because final Champion League held on May 29 or one week later after last La Liga matchday.
2622  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: May 10, 2022, 10:36:15 AM
~Snip~
Mourinho and Roma want to complete this season with a trophy in Europa Conference League and fifth position in Serie A. Two match days left and it is likely that Roma will not end at the fifth position in Serie A. The race for that position is very tough right now with Lazio takes the lead with 62 points and three other clubs including Roma, Fiorentina and Atalanta have 59 points in total.

Even if Roma win last two matches, they will no longer control anything. All depends on Lazio in last 2 match days.

As a result of losing to Fiorentina, As Roma is in danger of failing to finish in 5th place, As Roma is 3 points behind Lazio who is ranked 5th, As Roma must win their last two matches, hoping Lazio lose points with Juventus and Verona. What's interesting is that in week 36 there were three teams that collected the same number of points, Roma, Fiorentina and Atalanta both collected 59 points. Roma who sit in sixth place have easy opponents in the last two matches, while Lazio will struggle to pack three points from Juventus who are one place above.


Next two match left AS Roma have easy against team from Venezia on next match and Torino as last match and give good chance with 6 points on hands, but still not sure although Lazio still have match against with Juventus can defeat Lazio because inconsistent performance from Juventus nowadays. Juventus have safety 4th position standing and behind 7 points from Lazio can't catch again with 2 match left and make Juventus little confused can defeat Lazio on next match or not. but AS Roma have getting full points before looking match result with Lazio and hope Juventus and Verona could get points from Lazio.
2623  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pajak 0.5% Untuk Aset CRYPTO??? on: May 10, 2022, 10:12:23 AM
Ini perlu riset mendalam sejauh ini kita bisa kalkulasi penggunaan exchange dalam negeri seberapa banyak kita contohkan salah satu penguna exchange lokal Indodax yang sudah mencapai 5 juta pengguna dari asumsi 11 jt penggunaan per February, nah disini seberapa banyak yang akan mengunakan platform luar? dan sejauh mana mereka teredukasi akan mengunakan exchange luar? Kita ketahui pengguna btt bisa teredukasi disini kalau ia nimbrung dalam diskusi lokal atau ada ikut servis program/bounty mereka mengetahui akses keluar selebihnya mereka hanya mengikuti trend jual beli cryptocurrencies pada platform dalam negeri.
Kalau ini spekulasi hanya sebatas pengguna yang telah mendaftar akun Indodax, yang menjadi hal penting saat ini seberapa banyak persentase pengguna yang aktif trade di market lokal baik di Tokocrypto atau juga di Indodax. Khusus Tokocrypto dari beberapa tahun belakangan ada event refferal dan tentunya tidak semua yang sudah membuat akun Tokocrypto aktif dalam trade di sana. Ini yang menjadi pertimbangan karena semakin berkurangnya jumlah member yang aktif trade di market lokal semakin berkurang fee yang diterima exchange lokal saat ini, ditambah lagi dengan penerapan fee pajak dari transaksi jual dan beli semakin ada indikasi kalau member yang trade di market lokal semakin berkurang saat ini.
2624  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: May 09, 2022, 10:50:20 PM
Not only the champions league even the european league doesn't meet the requirements Serie A only got one place in the european league which I believe lazio has already secured it, Roma can only play matches in the conference league it also has to go through the qualifying round. I don't blame Mourinho, because I know he can't get to pick or buy the players he wants maybe due to financial constraints.
Lazio have bigger chance qualify to Europe League this season depend with AS Roma after losing from Fiorentina, between Lazio and AS Roma remaining 3 points and have two match left looks difficult for AS Roma can finish on 5th position standing place. But AS Roma still have final on UEFA conference League will give automatically ticket for winning in this competition to Europe League or not, depending with the winning of Europe League have spot play on champion league next season.
2625  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pajak 0.5% Untuk Aset CRYPTO??? on: May 09, 2022, 10:43:49 PM
Jika hal ini terjadi untuk waktu yang lama, maka yang dirugikan sebenarnya bukan hanya user/trader, exchanger pun mengalami hal yang sama. Pasalnya, jika ini berlangsung secara terus menerus, trader memilih exchange luar, ya mau ga mau akan terjadi penurunan jumlah trader, untuk waktu yang panjang, maka penurunan pun akan sangat terasa dan mengecilkan volume trading. Karena exchanger mendapatkan keuntungan dari transaksi, maka jika transaksi semakin turun, otomatis pemasukan mereka pun akan menurun, lambat laun, mereka sangat besar potensinya untuk tutup.
Harusnya ada sinergi antara pemerintah dan juga exchange lokal saat ini dalam hal penentuan jumlah persentase pajak yang harus dibayarkan, jika jumlah seperti saat ini terus berlanjut sudah pasti trader lebih memilih untuk trade di market luar dan menjadikan market lokal sebagai tempat untuk melakukan penarikan semata. Satu sisi pemerintah terkesan memaksakan kehendak dengan jumlah pajak yang harus dibayarkan tanpa adanya negosiasi terlebih dahulu terutama dengan exchange lokal saat ini.
2626  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: May 09, 2022, 08:57:10 AM
Serie A have been 36 matchday right now and left 2 match only for Milan and Inter to be Capolista in this season, still favorite for Milan lead 2 points from Inter actually last night success defeated Hellas Verona and Inter Milan on this matchday success get full points against Empoli. Looking on match schedule AC Milan favorite for Capolista than Inter Milan have another important match against with Juventus on Copa Italia final. But 2 match left AC Milan have fight with Atalanta and Sassuolo as team ever make Inter losing points. But Inter less days taking rest can be chance for AC Milan keep touch on top performance until 38 matchday.
2627  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pajak 0.5% Untuk Aset CRYPTO??? on: May 09, 2022, 08:39:31 AM
Orang yang berusaha mencari cara untuk menghindari pajak transaksi crypto, menurutku masih bisa dikatakan lumrah, karena prinsip dasar dalam berdagang (trading) ialah berusaha untuk mendapatkan profit se-optimal mungkin. Yah meskipun nilai pajak dari transaksi Crypto terbilang cukup kecil, namun jika dikalkulasikan dalam setahun saya kira nilainya akan menjadi lumayan (untuk trader aktif, terutama trader yang mengutamakan aktifitas jangka pendek).
Kalau dikalkulasikan apalagi sampai tahunan, ya, pastinya akan berasa juga nilai potongan dari pajak transaksi kriptonya.
Dikatakan sepenuhnya mangkir juga tidak karena memang tidak ada larangan mau trade di exchange manapun selama kebijakan exchange tersebut masih memperbolehkan user dari negara yang bersangkutan. Dan ketika akan di withdraw ke fiat dengan menggunakan fasilitas exchange lokal toh tentunya bayar pajak juga.
Biasanya di fitur lain sistem pembayaran pajak di kalkulisan di akhir tahun namun berbeda dengan transaksi cryptocurrency setiap trade kita harus membayar pajak, saya rasa hal yang wajar jika saat ini trader negara kita lebih memilih trade di market luar dan Tokocrypto serta Indodax hanya sebagai perantara untuk penarikan saja, mengingat tidak dikenakan pajak untuk penarikan dengan jumlah berapapun. Efek ini mungkin sedikit tidak menguntungkan bagi market lokal jika semua trader akan lebih dominan melakukan hal yang seperti ini, trade di market luar dan withdraw BIDR misalnya dari Binance ke Tokocrypto dan hanya menjadikan market lokal sebagai wadah untuk penarikan BIDR ke rekening saja saat ini.
2628  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: May 08, 2022, 09:17:04 PM
And finally Atletico Madrid managed to defeat Real Madrid by 1-0 and they got the crucial win for them. It was not the easiest win for them though despite Real Madrid's starting with many substitute players. But getting that win was the most important thing in the end too. Now I don't expect Atletico Madrid to lose their place. They would manage to qualify for the CL and Betis would finish the season as the 5th most probably.
Looks Real Madrid not really care with Madrid derby on this time after locking La Liga trophy last week, almost have several substitute player from Luka Jovic replace for Karim Benzema position, Asensio, Camavinga until Vallejo. But very crucial match for Atletico because 3 points added have make Atletico Madrid with champion league apot next season with 6 points different from Real Betis on 5th position standing place.
2629  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pajak 0.5% Untuk Aset CRYPTO??? on: May 08, 2022, 09:11:16 PM
Kalau saya paling juga untuk nukar hasil signature ke IDR, itu pun ya di bawah 5 jutaan, pajaknya sekitar 20-ribuan seperti yang pernah saya jelaskan di atas. dikalikan saja, misal 50 juta sekitar 200rb, 500 juta 2 juta, 5 milyar pajaknya 20 juta, tentu saja trader gede pasti menjerit bayar pajak sekali trading naik 3x lipat

Belum lagi nanti jika loos ya om Cry atau CL.
Sejauh ini memang ada sedikit asset mengendap di Indodax, tapi selama berlakunya pajak ini saya belum pernah melakukan transaksi. Sedangkan untuk signature kadang WD nya ke binance, itu kalau lagi membutuhkan juga. Walau pernah pake P2P yang terdaftar di binance jika jadi IDR itu sudah lama sekali, terkadang saya langsung kontak exchanger lokal yang trusted jadi transfer BUSD ke walet mereka nanti biasanya kena fee wd plus biaya transfer antar bank.
Saya maaih aktif trading di Indodax cuman pas awal2 penetapan pajak lagi nyangkut di beberapa altcoin, terpaksa untuk sementara menjadi holder terlebih dahulu sambil menunggu harga koin yang saya hold naik. Untuk tokocrypto sering saya gunakan terutama saat menjual bayaran hasil signature, boasanya fee jual instan cuman 1k IDR kali ini saya harus bayar menjadi 3k IDR dan mungkin lebih besar jika trade dengan jumlah yg agak besar.
2630  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: May 08, 2022, 09:07:26 PM
Hellas Verona 1 - 1 Milan

this result is not amenable to milan, they were losing and managed to draw, but if in the next 45 minutes they don't try to change the situation so that they have the advantage and win the game. Verona is playing to win the game even if they don't have anything useful to conquer anymore, they are playing to win the game and Milan that needs to win the game to win the Serie A needs to defend better and be more effective in attack to be able to score more goals and have full control of the game

Milan are already winning 3-1 and it is unlikely that anything will change in the remaining minutes. I'm glad that they were able to overcome their scoring problems and win with a solid score even though the game started according to a bad scenario for them. Thus, Milan has one difficult game left against Atalanta in the next round.
AC Milan winning 1-3 from Hellas Verona and back again to 1st standing after one day before Inter Milan lead yop firat standing poaition. Remaining 2 match left AC Milan still favorite to get Capolista this season because lead 2 points from Inter Milan. Still need focus on 2 match left against with Atalanta and Sassoulo for Milan to be champion. I think not easy when next match Milan againts with Atalanta, but motivation to get Serie A tittle will be different for AC Milan.
2631  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: May 07, 2022, 10:31:46 AM
Barcelona is not enough to just finish in the top four, and even though the title is already owned by Madrid, Barcelona's current target to keep winning is to maintain the runner-up position. Also, this moment is an opportunity for Barcelona as a way to avenge their defeat in the first match of the season, because in the first match of the season Betis beat Barcelona 1-0. Therefore, there is no reason for Barcelona to give Betis a win, they are a big team that will certainly continue to play professionally.
Not reason for Barcelona if can't reach 2nd position standing finish in this season after give their rival trophy early for Real Madrid, but I don't see easy for Barcelona can finish as 2nd position place depending with math left. I think next match Real Betis vs Barcelona not easy with Betis want to finish on top fourth standing actually will try getting 3 point in this match. Barcelona without trophy in this season with 4 competition joining and all failure without success reach until final on Europe League and Copa del Rey, could be first year Barcelona with Xavi Hernandez not success yet.
2632  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pajak 0.5% Untuk Aset CRYPTO??? on: May 07, 2022, 09:57:03 AM
Trick bagus untuk meminimalisir pajak,  Grin setelah trading lalu di-pair ke BIDR lalu WEDE ke tokocrypto. btw, wede BIDR dari binance kena fee berapa ya?.
kalau itungannya selisih tipis dengan pajak mending langsung di exchange Indo.
Selisih jauh dengan fee pajak trading dan lebih bagus jadikan pair BIDR di Binance dan import ke Tokocrypto, jika memiliki email yang sama antara Binance dan Tokocrypto tidak dikenakan fee, namun jika withdraw ke akun Tokocrypto cuman fee dibawah 3k IDR. Kalau trade dalam jumlah besar lebih bagusnya seperti langkah - langkah diatas tanpa harus membayar fee pajak sama sekali. Cuman takutnya kalau trik ini dipublish dan ada pihak dari dirjen pajak takutnya mereka akan mengubah sistem perpajakan lagi dan akan membebankan fee pajak dari penarikan di Tokocrypto dan juga di Indodax.
2633  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: May 07, 2022, 04:17:07 AM
The victory obtained by Inter Milan put pressure on AC Milan. If Milan can't beat Verona, then the title will go to Inter Milan, considering Atalanta and Sassuolo are opponents that Milan have to watch out for. Indeed, from the statistics and history of the match, Milan is more dominant with a winning results. However, in the first half of the season, Even though Milan won, Verona had time to make Milan difficult, with the final result 3 - 2. Hopefully Milan can also win this match. thrilling end of the season.
This effect when have matchday later than rival team, maybe different situation if Empoli success keep winning last night but they can't stopping Inter Milan back to 1st standing position. Actually next matchday become higher pressure for AC Milan after his rival team won last night. But become easy when AC Milan success scoring on early minutes and not any pressure again. I think AC Milan have great chance this season if want Capolista but depending next match against with Verona could win or give 1st place for rival team Inter Milan.
2634  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: May 07, 2022, 03:53:36 AM
Levante opened up the opportunity to stay in La Liga next season after successfully conquering Real Sociedad 2-1. Surprisingly Levante, the team in the relegation zone, managed to beat Real Sociedad who are in 6th place. Levante still has a chance to survive in La Liga with 3 matches remaining and 3 points left from Cadiz who are currently in 17th place but have not start the game for this week. Surprisingly Levante beat Real Sociedad and Melero's penalty in stoppage time saved all three points for Levante. next Levante focus on 3 match left if want keep stay for La Liga next season and not easy with next matchday have waiting by Real Madrid as away match.
2635  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Telegram Meluncurkan wallet Bitcoin dan Ton on: May 07, 2022, 03:22:05 AM
Itu jelas kalau ada yang mereport dan tentu mesti disertai alasan agar ada peninjauan dari moderator telegram apakah memang layak akunnya di ban atau tidak (btw, saya sering juga mereport DM dari akun orang asing yang saya tidak kenal). Yang saya rada aneh itu pernyataan 'tiba-tiba diban dengan sendirinya' tanpa ada moderasi terlebih dulu dari pihak telegram dan apa kesalahan dari user tersebut.
Tapi saat ini agak berbeda dengan sistem report akun telegram, saya juga akhir - akhir ini beberapa kali report akun yang tidak saya kenal dengan tiba - tiba menawarkan jasa withdraw atau membantu deposit koin saya di market, tentu saya biasa sering komplain di grup utama exchange market seperti LBANK saat deposit dan withdraw saya terkendala. Namun selanng beberapa menit kemudia banyak telegram scammer DM dan ini menjadi penyebab saya melapor akun tersebut. Namun kelihatannya sangat mudah bagi telegram untuk membanned tanpa harus ada feedback dari akun yang bersangkutan.
2636  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: May 06, 2022, 02:15:03 PM
Of course, AC Milan are favorites for this matches, but, I bever forget how Sassuolo beat AC Milan few times, thats why, before week 38 ended, and Milan still on 1st position, I'm still afraid Inter can shift Milan from Capolista. 3 matches very crucial for both Inter and Milan, 1 lose can be a gift for one of them.

Milan need to be serious to manage their playing strategy, to get 9 points from this. If not, maybe champions are nothing. Well, I wish to see Milan get the title.
Crucial 3 match left for Inter and AC Milan before become capolista and nowadays still AC Milan as favorite with leading 2 points from Inter Milan. Next match I think have pressure for AC Milan because play later that Inter Milan, become biggest pressure if Inter Milan play early than AC Milan have to play one day after Inter vs Empoli match. But become difference when have different result match like Empoli success get 3 point or make match draw will be enjoy match for Verona vs AC Milan one day later match. Still long journey with 2 points different on 3 match left all have possibility for Milan and Inter to be the winner.
2637  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2020/21 on: May 06, 2022, 06:51:46 AM
Levante VS Real Sociedad

Today Real Sociedad play against Levante. Sociedad are still fighting to qualify for the Europa League. They have lost points in the last 3 matches and are quite behind. And that is why they need to win today's match very much. A weak team in Levante. An easy win awaits Sociedad if he can play a little more carefully. However, Levante often performs well, surprising everyone. If Sociedad wants to win, they must play well and carefully.
It was quite an interesting match between Real Sociedad vs. Levante, although the position difference was quite far, both teams had their respective interests in getting 3 points. Real Sociedad are trying to get 3 points to keep their hopes of winning a ticket for the Europe League next season. As for Levante, it is an important point to be able to maintain the opportunity to avoid relegation this week. Remaining 6 points from Cadiz who is ranked 17th, of course, Levante must be able to get 3 points if they want to stay in La Liga next season.
2638  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: May 06, 2022, 06:29:52 AM
Salernitana is now the 17th team in the points table and they are now out of the relegation zone. Salernitana's performance is remarkable now. I don't know how they suddenly improved themselves so much. They have won a total of 6 matches this season, of which they have won 4 of the last 5 matches. If we continue to perform like this, we will see Salernitana in Serie A next season as well.
Good match result after Salernitana winning from Venezia last night give drastically up position to 17th and out from relegation zone, but on next 36 matchday have crucial games against with Cagliari have under position from Salernitana  and remaining 1 points only. I think good chance for Salernitana if can reach 3 points against with Cagliari will give 4 points different and chance keep existing on Serie A next season still large. I think Salernitana have home match against with Cagliari and actually will play well what showed last night success defeated Venezia and Cagliari become the next defeated team by Salernitana.
2639  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Telegram Meluncurkan wallet Bitcoin dan Ton on: May 06, 2022, 06:19:23 AM
-snip- tetapi ada juga akun tiba2 dibanned dengan sendirinya dan banned secara permanen. Tidak bisa mengakses lagi ke telegram meskipun no hp yang digunakan masih aktif.
Agak aneh menurut saya kalau tiba-tiba di ban tanpa ada alasan (semisal ada yang melaporkan spam, dll.) atau pemilik akun tersebut benar-benar tidak melakukan pelanggaran terhadap syarat/kebijakan dari telegram.

Saya coba kutip salah satu poin dari link yang di share teman-teman diatas:

3. When deleting your Telegram account. When a user deletes their Telegram account, all of their data and information is deleted, including their funds from their @wallet addresses.

Nah pada settingan Privacy and Security -> Delete my account di Telegram, jika dalam jangka waktu tertentu sesuai settingan tersebut tidak aktif (dibatasi maksimal hingga 1 tahun dan tidak ada opsi untuk menonaktifkan fitur ini) maka akun telegram akan di-delete; Merujuk informasi pada quote diatas, otomatis jika ada aset kripto yang tersimpan pada wallet address via bot tersebut akan ikut tidak bisa diakses lagi.

Ada sistem report akun di telegram jadi jika ada pihak lain yang melakukan report akun kita ada kemungkinan besar akun akan disuspend secara permanen, saya pernah mengalami hal ini karena akun disuspend dan saat mencoba log in kembali akun sudah diblokir permanen. Penuh resiko menggunakan telegram sebagai wallet untuk menyimpan asset bitcoin atau koin TON, mending gunakan wallet yang bisa diback up phrase atau private key dibandingkan menyipan asset via telegram akun. Mungkin OP sedikit belum mengatahui resiko terbesar saat akun telegram dibanned jadi tidak ada keterangan tambahan adanya resiko jika menggunakan telegram sebagai wadah penyimpanan bitcoin.
2640  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pajak 0.5% Untuk Aset CRYPTO??? on: May 06, 2022, 04:17:34 AM
Apa di binance ada BIDR?, kalau withdraw USDT/BUSD ke Tokocrypto lalu di-exchange ke BIDR, kan masih kena juga pajaknya. Bagaimana pun untuk menghindar, tetap saja kalau ujung-ujungnya ke IDR masih kena pajak juga walau tradingnya di exchange luar. (hal ini sudah banyak dijelaskan di atas)

Ada mas @DroomieChikito pair BIDR di market Binance dan tersedia juga kurang lebih 20 jenis koin yang bisa ditrading ke pair BIDR, namun yang paling penting untuk pair BTC/BIDR dan juga USDT/BIDR atau BUSD/BIDR karena semua asset trader biasanya dalam bentuk BUSD atau USDT. Jadi setelah trade di Binance dan melakukan penarikan jangan menggunakan USDT karena saat melakukan trade kembali di Tokocrypto akan dikenakan pajak. Lebih bagus BUSD atau USDT ditrade terlebih dahulu trade ke BIDR dan withdraw saldo BIDR ke Tokocrypto dengan fee 2.800 IDR. Untuk proses penarikan di Tokocrypto masih belum dikenakan pajak dan saat ini pajak crypto hanya berlaku untuk transaksi trade saja.
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