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2641  Other / Politics & Society / Re: why socialism? on: August 29, 2016, 01:04:54 PM
Socialism is more better specially if your leader is charactirize by this kind of person because if your leader is socialist he is an open minded person and a very approachable person, he knows what is the problem of the poor person and also the rich person. He has two society the rich society and the poor society. He is a successful person but he brought his heart in his successful life. Socialism is not communism why? The difference of this is Communism hates rich people and love power while Socialism hates oligarch persons and dont have interest in power I mean he believes in destiny and socialist person is believe in god while communist person do not believe in god.

soacialism always ends up as communism... "socialist person is believe in god while communist person do not believe in god." well from all the intervies and protests I;ve seen, I can surely say that todays "socialists" share the same opinion on that question..

Socialism has no link with communism...
It's like saying capitalism always ends up becoming fascism. .. it has no link whatsoever ><

Socialism is nice in theory but practically doesn't work.
It can work until all money is spend.
After that country collapse and long time of recovery is needed.
Perfect example right now is Venezuela.
Country so rich with oil but economy collapsed and people don't have even enough food to eat.
If you read books from some communists (Engels, Lenin), you will know that they said that first step before ideal, communist world, will be socialism.


Dumb comment...
Socialism principle is redistribution  of growth. There is no possibility of "money being all spent"....
2642  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you also think that USA is the biggest plague of the world? on: August 29, 2016, 01:03:27 PM

God can manipulate cause and effect? Whaou really nice, have any example of anything in the world where cause and effect has been manipulated?

There is no direct example of this. Why not? Because cause and effect, after it is manipulated, produces a history that doesn't show any manipulation.

This is one of the faith things. The Bible says that mankind has free will. Yet cause and effect as we know exists shows that there is no free will. The stickler is that the science that shows cause and effect, doesn't formally accept the idea of pure random that it would take if we had free will. Science is trying to prove pure random and free will, but the best they have is theories.

The point is that if we have free will like God says, and if there is cause and effect that science says, the only way other than miracles is if God recognizes our free will, and adjusts cause and effect in the beginning to make things happen by cause and effect. God doesn't want to show Himself through miracles... except in special circumstances. This is why He goes back to adjust cause and effect in the beginning.

Like you are going to understand any of this.

Cool

Which means god does nothing. He already did, but he's no longer doing anything.

No... it simply means that we don't recognize most of how God works and what He does technically.

There are a few things that we know about God, including His existence, and that He is extremely powerful. Also, the fact that He gives us the things that He gives us, suggests that He probably has a lot of love for us. The things that we don't know about God, but that He tells us in the holy books, are things we take on faith.

But it seems, in your previous post that I am quoting, that you are suddenly turning from your faith.

Cool

LOL,  we don't know anything about him existing or not. It's not because cause and effect exists that God is behind it.

Like the dumbest people claiming that because golden ratio is in the nature pretty much everywhere it means it proves God created all those things...

You are mistaken, I will explain with the example of the pool/billiards professional.

Somewhere during a game of pool, a professional pool player looks at the pool balls scattered on the pool table. Then he says, "I am going to tap the cue ball, which will hit ball x, which will hit ball xx, which will hit ball xxx, which will hit ball xxxx into the corner pocket over here." Then he does it. Few people can do this on a regular basis.

In the beginning of the universe (The universe had a beginning because if it didn't, all-pervading entropy would have reduced it to no complexity by now.), electron x hit electron xx, electron xx hit electron xxx, electron xxx hit electron xxxx, etc., right on down to the present, with countless numbers of hits. And electrons weren't the only thing. All sorts of atomic and sub atomic and energy waves and who-knows-what-else are there doing the same thing, from the beginning right down to the present. The result that we see today is complexity all around, and especially in the intelligence and emotion of mankind.

The universe is countless numbers of times greater than the professional pool player in the complexity it has produced.

When we look around in nature, we see nothing that could have caused the universe. More importantly, we see nothing that could have caused life, and especially intelligence and emotion. Yet these all exist because of cause and effect from the distant past. Whatever produced the universe, life, intelligence and emotion, must have been a great "pool player" to have set these things going in the distant past.

We have no evidence of anything happening spontaneously in the universe. Many things look spontaneous, but they were really caused by something else. This means that there is no random. No random means that everything was set up to run the way it does. Whatever set the universe up to run the way it does, in the face of entropy, so that after thousands of years of cause and effect, it still produces intelligence and emotion, must have been very great, containing a vast amount of intelligence and emotion in itself, far greater than mankind.

Look up the word "God" in the dictionary. There are many aspects. Often the first aspect contains wording like "the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe." Since there was a beginning, and since there is great pool/billiards-like cause and effect beyond understanding, and since there is intelligence and emotion, whatever caused the universe had all this in itself. None of these things happen by random accident. We have no evidence of random accident, because universal cause and effect rule random accident out.

Whatever that "thing" was that caused the universe, did it according to intelligent plan, and with emotion. If it didn't, we wouldn't have intelligence and emotion. The definition of the word "God" in the dictionary fits whatever set the universe up. In fact, we cannot begin to understand how great of a God God is.

Most important. You won't understand this stuff without thinking about it. And you don't have to allow yourself to understand it. But if you investigate these things thoroughly, to see if they make sense, you will find God in them.

Cool

Thank you for your explanation. And you are wrong.

We do know now that cause and effect isn't an absolute truth. There is a case where cause and effect doesn't work. Quantum physic showed that random is part of the universe, some experiments proved that particules can take two paths and the path is chosen completely randomly !

Determinism isn't absolute. There is a part of randomness so what you're saying is false.
If you want to know more about it just look for laser path Determinism.
2643  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is it Fair of The U.S. to use such weapons? on: August 29, 2016, 12:53:35 PM
It is a good thing that the Americans are finally targeting the ISIS. Earlier, they were using their jets to bomb the secular forces of Bashar al Assad. That said, I just want to point out that the Americans are still supporting the other hardline Islamist terrorists such as the Jabhat Al Nusra and the Jaysh Al Islam. IMO, these people are just the same as ISIS.

Thank Hillary and Obama for that crazy.

Vote Trump, and stop the crazy.

Because Trump wants to reduce army budget? I never heard him saying something like that...
2644  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is it Fair of The U.S. to use such weapons? on: August 29, 2016, 12:52:32 PM
The technology could be better. It looks like it's really, really hard to get a direct hit. Also, military people don't brag about killing.

I think the figure is 250,000 rounds fired for every one enemy death. dunno if that includes the fancy munitions too. I don't think they could afford a quarter million hellfires for a single stiff.

5$ each round. 1.25 millions per ennemi killed. It's a shame your government isn't giving out even 10% of this amount for each of your citizen...
2645  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is it Fair of The U.S. to use such weapons? on: August 29, 2016, 12:50:29 PM
In this Video it shows U.S. military Slaughtering Sand Fleas as they scurry and crawl through the desert like the insects that they are.

Do you think this is fair of the U.S. to use such Weapons on Such  primitive creatures like these?

I'm not sure it's all that fun or Moral squeezing the trigger and killing these sand fleas so easily. I think this Should be looked at by the U.N. council surely there must be some kind of regulation shooting and killing such Insects that clearly have the disadvantages of inbreeding and Beastiality (Camels)for decades and centuries.

Poor insects watch the video here of this senseless slaughter as i prepare a statement for the U.N. Council to review!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7tbbW9pZQk

Try to remember you'll be exactly the same little primitive creature the day the US army decides to bomb you, there will be no difference as superior as you think you are...

LoL if those people were able to clean their countries from those supremacists bent on attacking the world they would not be subjected to the counter strikes... Last drone strike in New Zealand for example? Yeahhh you see...



Yeah because there is nothing like supremacists or extremists in our countries. And there is no link between western activities and the development of terrorists organizations and dictatorships....
2646  Other / Politics & Society / Re: France, Germany want limits on encryption to fight terrorism on: August 29, 2016, 12:48:19 PM
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article97299902.html

Quote
PARIS - France and Germany pushed Tuesday for Europe-wide rules requiring messaging apps such as Telegram to limit encryption to help governments monitor communications among suspected extremists.

I think that they've missed something...
The unencrypted communications are part of the past and present, but no will not be part of the near future. They have to find better tools, not rules.

That's damn retarded. This may be the stupidest way, I mean ifthey payed attention to who is entering their country they wouldnt have this problem in the first place...

stupppppppiiiiiiiiiid !
One: you can't be sure of who enters because you can't block your whole territory.
Two: anyone can BECOME crazy/extremist or anything. In fact 90% of terrorists of the 5 last year's were already European citizens
2647  Other / Politics & Society / Re: France(ism): ban the burkinis on: August 29, 2016, 12:42:14 PM
You know that's ridiculous.  You are directly comparing "cold weather (cold water) gear" to what might be worn on the beach in the middle of summer.

If you don't believe me, try swimming in really cold water.  Please do report back.  And by the way, the burkini doesn't prevent the cold like the wetsuit does.

Still less ridiculous than thinking you have the right to tell anyone what they can or can't wear when it causes zero harm to anyone else.  For a forum that's supposedly full of libertarians, there's quite a few authoritarian traditionalists about who clearly don't believe in any form of personal freedom whatsoever.  Who gives a shit if it doesn't prevent the cold?  It's their choice.  Not yours.
And so I refuted one argument, and an entirely unrelated one is presented.

It's so laughable....one argues for requiring bikinis, and he's now an "authoritarian traditionalist."

Let them find their own secluded fucking burkini beach.

You know that's ridiculous.  You are directly comparing "cold weather (cold water) gear" to what might be worn on the beach in the middle of summer.

If you don't believe me, try swimming in really cold water.  Please do report back.  And by the way, the burkini doesn't prevent the cold like the wetsuit does.

Still less ridiculous than thinking you have the right to tell anyone what they can or can't wear when it causes zero harm to anyone else.  For a forum that's supposedly full of libertarians, there's quite a few authoritarian traditionalists about who clearly don't believe in any form of personal freedom whatsoever.  Who gives a shit if it doesn't prevent the cold?  It's their choice.  Not yours.
When i go to the beach i want to relax?..
Now when a Muslim walks on the beach with a burkini on i think as she got a bomb under that outfit
then i think will some more Muslims pop up and blow us up..
THEN YOU JUST SPOILED MY DAY OUT  Angry..I CANNOT RELAX....

I think that's a totally reasonable point of view.

Given the simple fact that they DO HIDE THINGS under their clothes.  Things that go boom.

Yeah very reasonable point of view! Let's ban everyone and everything that doesn't suit you. So start with burkini,  then maybe young people because they make noise, then any people with dogs, and why not couples?

See, freedom stops where the freedom of others starts. It doesn't harm you in any way to see other people with burkini, so why should it be forbiden ?
2648  Other / Politics & Society / Re: France(ism): ban the burkinis on: August 29, 2016, 12:36:42 PM
You know that's ridiculous.  You are directly comparing "cold weather (cold water) gear" to what might be worn on the beach in the middle of summer.

If you don't believe me, try swimming in really cold water.  Please do report back.  And by the way, the burkini doesn't prevent the cold like the wetsuit does.

Still less ridiculous than thinking you have the right to tell anyone what they can or can't wear when it causes zero harm to anyone else.  For a forum that's supposedly full of libertarians, there's quite a few authoritarian traditionalists about who clearly don't believe in any form of personal freedom whatsoever.  Who gives a shit if it doesn't prevent the cold?  It's their choice.  Not yours.

The more I read you the more I like you!
Crazy to see those "btc is freedom" people asking for laws that forbid people to wear certain clothes...

Correct, except that it's the muslims who want to ban women from wearing certain clothes. Muslims don't want women to wear bikinis, and that burkini thing is only the beginning. Soon, they will also ban women from wearing skirts, and that's already happening in several countries, just like in some neighborhoods of France.

If someone wants to know what freedom looks like, a travel to a muslim country provides a quick lesson.



No there is no place in france where you get hurt for not wearing a burka. That's just shit propaganda it doesn't happen.

And banning burkini isn't better than making them compulsory! In both cases you don't allow people a basic freedom which is to wear what they god damn want!
2649  Other / Politics & Society / Re: why socialism? on: August 28, 2016, 11:48:54 AM
Socialism is more better specially if your leader is charactirize by this kind of person because if your leader is socialist he is an open minded person and a very approachable person, he knows what is the problem of the poor person and also the rich person. He has two society the rich society and the poor society. He is a successful person but he brought his heart in his successful life. Socialism is not communism why? The difference of this is Communism hates rich people and love power while Socialism hates oligarch persons and dont have interest in power I mean he believes in destiny and socialist person is believe in god while communist person do not believe in god.

soacialism always ends up as communism... "socialist person is believe in god while communist person do not believe in god." well from all the intervies and protests I;ve seen, I can surely say that todays "socialists" share the same opinion on that question..

Socialism has no link with communism...
It's like saying capitalism always ends up becoming fascism. .. it has no link whatsoever ><
2650  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you also think that USA is the biggest plague of the world? on: August 28, 2016, 11:47:18 AM

God can manipulate cause and effect? Whaou really nice, have any example of anything in the world where cause and effect has been manipulated?

There is no direct example of this. Why not? Because cause and effect, after it is manipulated, produces a history that doesn't show any manipulation.

This is one of the faith things. The Bible says that mankind has free will. Yet cause and effect as we know exists shows that there is no free will. The stickler is that the science that shows cause and effect, doesn't formally accept the idea of pure random that it would take if we had free will. Science is trying to prove pure random and free will, but the best they have is theories.

The point is that if we have free will like God says, and if there is cause and effect that science says, the only way other than miracles is if God recognizes our free will, and adjusts cause and effect in the beginning to make things happen by cause and effect. God doesn't want to show Himself through miracles... except in special circumstances. This is why He goes back to adjust cause and effect in the beginning.

Like you are going to understand any of this.

Cool

Which means god does nothing. He already did, but he's no longer doing anything.

No... it simply means that we don't recognize most of how God works and what He does technically.

There are a few things that we know about God, including His existence, and that He is extremely powerful. Also, the fact that He gives us the things that He gives us, suggests that He probably has a lot of love for us. The things that we don't know about God, but that He tells us in the holy books, are things we take on faith.

But it seems, in your previous post that I am quoting, that you are suddenly turning from your faith.

Cool

LOL,  we don't know anything about him existing or not. It's not because cause and effect exists that God is behind it.

Like the dumbest people claiming that because golden ratio is in the nature pretty much everywhere it means it proves God created all those things...
2651  Other / Politics & Society / Re: France, Germany want limits on encryption to fight terrorism on: August 28, 2016, 11:44:53 AM
Recently, I have noticed that the Western countries are electing very authoritarian rulers, who stand against personal freedom. Examples are Theressa May of England, Angela Merkel of Germany, Dalia Grybauskaitė of Lithuania, Park Geun-hye of South Korea, and Tsai Ing-wen of Taiwan. Soon we will be able to add Hitlery Clinton to this list as well.
i share same ideas with you. western world wants to have rulers who behave dictatorially. I dont know what the reason for electing those oppressive rulers. Maybe, western civilization came to its end and it will collapse very soon because of those rulers.

The current immigrant crisis will destroy the European Union (Brexit has already happened as a result of this influx, the next will be Frexit and Nexit). And in the United States, if Hitlery gets elected as the POTUS this November, secessionist movements will be in full swing in southern states such as Texas and Arizona. The end is near!

Same people claiming they don't want dictatorships are crying to get authoritarian laws forbiding Islam. ..
Funny how it's more "I want freedom but just for me" than "freedom is the right of all"...
2652  Other / Politics & Society / Re: France(ism): ban the burkinis on: August 28, 2016, 10:23:12 AM
You know that's ridiculous.  You are directly comparing "cold weather (cold water) gear" to what might be worn on the beach in the middle of summer.

If you don't believe me, try swimming in really cold water.  Please do report back.  And by the way, the burkini doesn't prevent the cold like the wetsuit does.

Still less ridiculous than thinking you have the right to tell anyone what they can or can't wear when it causes zero harm to anyone else.  For a forum that's supposedly full of libertarians, there's quite a few authoritarian traditionalists about who clearly don't believe in any form of personal freedom whatsoever.  Who gives a shit if it doesn't prevent the cold?  It's their choice.  Not yours.

The more I read you the more I like you!
Crazy to see those "btc is freedom" people asking for laws that forbid people to wear certain clothes...
2653  Other / Politics & Society / Re: There are no illegal immigrants in the us only UNDOCUMENTED ones on: August 27, 2016, 09:11:45 AM
It tells a lot about a political party, when they rely on felons, illegal immigrants, and people who sympathize with terrorist organizations like ISIS for votes. Democratic Party represents the low life scum living in the United States.

There was certainly discussion of allowing undocumented migrants to vote, but I wasn't aware this had been passed into law.  How can the Democratic Party rely on votes from people who have yet to gain the right to vote?  They can't.  It tells a lot about the Republican Party, when their supporters rely on spreading falsehoods to attempt to sway public opinion.

You remind me of the average British pensioner who genuinely believes illegal immigrants hop off a boat and join some magical queue where they hand out free houses, cars and mobile devices.  Does it not occur to any of you that the very fact they've arrived illegally means they don't qualify for state welfare, or in the case of this particular discussion, voting rights?  Cloud-cuckoo-land, the lot of you.  You're certainly not helping to dispel the notion that right wing bigots aren't very intelligent.

Thank you for bringing some reasons here!
Illegal migrants have no right, no vote, no health care or subvention or free money or free house or whatever....
The only thing they get is that if they're sick we take them to hospital, talking about "privileged"...
2654  Economy / Gambling / Re: Investing in btc casinos on: August 27, 2016, 09:08:22 AM
Investing in bitcoin casinos is very risky, because i had a very bad experience in gambling, i had lost all my coins in many just due to my greediness. So it is not a right place to invest your money because winning chances are very low, so invest your money in trading instead  of wasting your money and time in gambling or casinos.

Which why I advise investing in the bankroll and not playing Wink
2655  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Losing 14 bets in a row just now! on dice games on: August 27, 2016, 08:49:26 AM
playing on crypto-games just now and losing 14th time in a row  Undecided
is this normal?



thank you anyway

Yes, This is normal. In my situation not only losing in 14th time in a row. I lose more than that,

I would suggest that if you don't want to happen this again try to bet alternate like Roll over 50 or Roll under 49 .
And prepare to also lose 14 times in a row because that won't change anything Wink
2656  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is it Fair of The U.S. to use such weapons? on: August 27, 2016, 08:48:07 AM
In this Video it shows U.S. military Slaughtering Sand Fleas as they scurry and crawl through the desert like the insects that they are.

Do you think this is fair of the U.S. to use such Weapons on Such  primitive creatures like these?

I'm not sure it's all that fun or Moral squeezing the trigger and killing these sand fleas so easily. I think this Should be looked at by the U.N. council surely there must be some kind of regulation shooting and killing such Insects that clearly have the disadvantages of inbreeding and Beastiality (Camels)for decades and centuries.

Poor insects watch the video here of this senseless slaughter as i prepare a statement for the U.N. Council to review!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7tbbW9pZQk

Try to remember you'll be exactly the same little primitive creature the day the US army decides to bomb you, there will be no difference as superior as you think you are...

I doubt that....I am American.

So? Never heard of civil war?
Like people never learn from history...
2657  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: August 27, 2016, 08:46:32 AM
we can't use signature campaign as our focus, because we don't know when the campaign will be close, i think having real bussines is better than we focus at 'side job' like signature campaign.

Having a real business is always important because signature campaign cannot earn you enough to survive so it would always be a side income, but until they are running someone should keep earning through them as well.

Earning from signature campaign should be treated as an additional income and that's not enough to survive you need to find multiple ways to earn more bitcoins.

Depends on your country.

You can easily earn 1btc from multiple signature campaigns. Lots of countries in the world have a monthly wage lower than 200$ on average.
That's true, usually those people who are receiving that rate are those who have not finish their studies and working a very difficult job where they need to exert more effort job to do a very physical job. Meanwhile, 1 BTC for me is very hard to achieve doing some signature campaign because the pay is not really that big.

That is right. You can get 1 btc with signature campaign but it would take very long though. Thus, if we depend our daily living and family needs with signature campaign, then it is not wise doing so. It would be good to have some other source of income along with signature campaign that way, you will get some big profits every end of the week or month.

It doesn't take that long for a relatively easy job. It takes me 7 weeks to get a bitcoin. I do some odd jobs here and there that make up about 0.14 btc a week on this forum alone.

You're in a high paying campaign though
You should also take into account the time spent to get a legitimate high paying account Wink


Rather then going for high paying campaign its better to go with that is existing since long time, my campaign pays me 0.035 per week and I am satisfied with it as it exists since more then 2 years.

Well 0.035 a week is 0.13 a month so it's rather high you know!
2658  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Losing 14 bets in a row just now! on dice games on: August 27, 2016, 08:45:22 AM
martingale bet is not always working because most of the casino owners know the martingale system and they set their software against this system,so better try to play smarter and don't be so greedy.
good luck

Martingale bet is NEVER working, otherwise casino would be dead...
100% right. casino owner know all the possible trick and that's why a very few people managed to beat the casino house edge

Yeah and the only ones beating the casino are the ones lucky enough to win and smart enough to stop right after Wink
2659  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is it Fair of The U.S. to use such weapons? on: August 27, 2016, 08:44:27 AM
In this Video it shows U.S. military Slaughtering Sand Fleas as they scurry and crawl through the desert like the insects that they are.

Do you think this is fair of the U.S. to use such Weapons on Such  primitive creatures like these?

I'm not sure it's all that fun or Moral squeezing the trigger and killing these sand fleas so easily. I think this Should be looked at by the U.N. council surely there must be some kind of regulation shooting and killing such Insects that clearly have the disadvantages of inbreeding and Beastiality (Camels)for decades and centuries.

Poor insects watch the video here of this senseless slaughter as i prepare a statement for the U.N. Council to review!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7tbbW9pZQk

Try to remember you'll be exactly the same little primitive creature the day the US army decides to bomb you, there will be no difference as superior as you think you are...
2660  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: August 27, 2016, 08:35:49 AM
we can't use signature campaign as our focus, because we don't know when the campaign will be close, i think having real bussines is better than we focus at 'side job' like signature campaign.

Having a real business is always important because signature campaign cannot earn you enough to survive so it would always be a side income, but until they are running someone should keep earning through them as well.

Earning from signature campaign should be treated as an additional income and that's not enough to survive you need to find multiple ways to earn more bitcoins.

Depends on your country.

You can easily earn 1btc from multiple signature campaigns. Lots of countries in the world have a monthly wage lower than 200$ on average.
That's true, usually those people who are receiving that rate are those who have not finish their studies and working a very difficult job where they need to exert more effort job to do a very physical job. Meanwhile, 1 BTC for me is very hard to achieve doing some signature campaign because the pay is not really that big.

That is right. You can get 1 btc with signature campaign but it would take very long though. Thus, if we depend our daily living and family needs with signature campaign, then it is not wise doing so. It would be good to have some other source of income along with signature campaign that way, you will get some big profits every end of the week or month.

It doesn't take that long for a relatively easy job. It takes me 7 weeks to get a bitcoin. I do some odd jobs here and there that make up about 0.14 btc a week on this forum alone.

You're in a high paying campaign though
You should also take into account the time spent to get a legitimate high paying account Wink
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