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Nice attitude, 'Supa' Rabbi!
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Is there going to be another price drop with the next round of antminers on the 14th?
Since they sell in BTC everytime BTC value drops you get a price drop. I think the BTC market already dropped the prices for them, so i would guess no at this time. Wrong, they have been dropping prices in BTC as DIFFICULTY goes up as buyers would earn less and people are not going to buy unless they can recoup the costs in ~2 months. Wait and see, but my guess is with "limited" stock and the BTC price fluctiations there might not be any nice surprises price wise. I'td be good if there were I just wouldn't count on it. |
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Wiz looks like a manual payout coming again.
Probably tomorrow. Nevermind, had some time so got it done tonight. 548.40421839 BTC (4.6 TBC) in manual payments applied to balances from tx 89fea198c9a8e7daeccdf7005bea2bccc8507d14faafceeed8efe10f0d9e2ddd  Is this the source of the multiple 0.00000001 BTC payments that take ages to be verified? |
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No is speculation that they will do that, all we have heard it's that they are building a mine for the purposes of providing either compensatory hash rate to their customers if Neptune is late or if said customers would prefer to switch from hardware customer to cloud customer. You are adding your own spin on the concept to make it appear in a negative light.
We'll need some input from Swedish speaking members, but this looks like video from the new datacentre. With machines hashing already. Mining the bitcoins to compensate the Neptune customers in July Biffa? Not more than 5% though, of course. http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/1.2276893-datorhall-for-bitcoin-byggs-i-bodenMed vänlig hälsning Having watched the video now, that is very interesting and definitely not speculation. It will be interesting to see if KnC sources an provide a response, or if they even care to. As to my agenda, I'm just a customer and miner like anyone else, I have some KnC, some Ants, even some GPU's running scrypt. I don't have any allegiance to a particular vendor, or work for any of them. I'm perhaps more willing to give some companies the benefit of the doubt than others in this thread but I think, hopefully, I'm considered by most to be even handed and reasonable, even helpful sometimes, if anyone doubts my agenda, its easy to see in my post historyKnC has done nothing wrong to me either in the past or up till now, they sold me what I asked for and it has performed to spec, heck even above spec. Plus, I don't even fault them for building this cloud hashing farm as I think that they have to compete somehow with all the other farms coming online both for their customers and to a certain extent for themselves. As to their motives and current standing, I still feel that we are swinging in the dark here and we could be hitting or missing with our conjecture, it would be good if someone could get a clear and concise message from the company as to what is going on. So, so far, we know they have a farm, we know its populated with KnC 28nm hardware, and in the video we can see is 21 racks with 4 shelves in populated per rack with 6 modules per rack, in two rows. Or somewhere between 150,000-200,000 GH (21x4x6x2x170GH), its very cleverly shot to impress but also to not show everything. From me the speculation is still: - Is the hardware there new, or have they moved their old hosting to this new location, or moved other large customers equipment there?
- If new, is it designed specifically for this purpose, i.e. not compatible with their consumer model miners?
- How much of that is hashing live on the network and how much was turned on just to test for the video?
- If hashing, what percentage is directly for KnC themselves
I'd still like to know definitively when is the date that Neptune will be considered late. I think its important for KnC to divulge that information ASAP so that people can make an informed decision about what to do regarding their orders. For now I'm still gonna hold fire with my orders, and keep pushing through official channels to get some info to feed back to the forum. Lastly I'd like to say thank you edgar, I get where you are coming from and understand your motives even if I don't agree with your methods  And Avenger, great detective work, gotta hand it to you, you certainly keep everyone thinking and the old brain cogs whirring can't be a bad thing at my age You will note that even if I don't always agree with you guys, its obvious your not ignored and I will keep listening and taking in your findings. |
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No is speculation that they will do that, all we have heard it's that they are building a mine for the purposes of providing either compensatory hash rate to their customers if Neptune is late or if said customers would prefer to switch from hardware customer to cloud customer. You are adding your own spin on the concept to make it appear in a negative light.
We'll need some input from Swedish speaking members, but this looks like video from the new datacentre. With machines hashing already. Mining the bitcoins to compensate the Neptunes customers in July Biffa? Not more than 5% though, of course. http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/1.2276893-datorhall-for-bitcoin-byggs-i-bodenMed vänlig hälsning "Server hall will be ready in about a month." Again what is your agenda exactly? |
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To be fair there aren't any facts just speculation and guesswork.
it is a fact that KNC are using the 28nm chips for themselves instead of manufacturing and selling miners/upgrade modules to protect their customers share of the network. or am I dreaming  this is speculation... they will delay the so called upgrade module sales a couple more difficulty jumps so it ends up being worthless to us small time miners No is speculation that they will do that, all we have heard it's that they are building a mine for the purposes of providing either compensatory hash rate to their customers if Neptune is late or if said customers would prefer to switch from hardware customer to cloud customer. You are adding your own spin on the concept to make it appear in a negative light. Nothing is proven. They may even deliver Neptune within the timescale they estimated. They may not. I understand your frustration if you were expecting more upgrade boards for your Saturn or Mercury but that's unlikely to happen and has been for some time. I think that any 28nm machines they do make for the mine will be designed specifically for that express purpose and would be completely at odds with mining at home. They will be probably more efficient than the Nov batch and may be the test bed for technology that will be incorporated in Neptune. I know it's suits yours and Avengers and edgers mysterious agenda to perpetrate this ill will and I wish you all could clearly define what it is you are trying to achieve, because it's certainly getting boring fast. It's not like you are saving noobss from buying because KNC stopped selling ages ago. Do you want something that you are not willing to share? An apology or some donation of thanks? I just don't get where all this angst is going sorry. |
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They aren't leaving an AFFORDABLE option, if you include context of ROI with 'affordable'.
Again, referencing my first response. It's as if you haven't studied any of the facts at all. And I'm not just talking of the last 20 pages.. or even 500. All of it.
To be fair there aren't any facts just speculation and guesswork. |
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First off Loshia, something i've wanted to mention for a while is how you use the expression "at the wall", which is really "to the wall", and comes from the expression "balls to the wall", which is an expression used to represent acceleration or "full throttle" which was created by pilots who would push the throttle lever (the ball) to the point where it actually touches the panel (the wall). And we know you mean it from a consumption standpoint of course, I just wanted to throw that out there. Say "to the wall".
I think the 600W to 900W quote is a bit unrealistic yes. But I also think your 1.7W is a bit too much. That why i said i'd bet on 1w/ghs nominal and 1.3w overclocked or "to the wall". And yes this will be from the miners AMT ships, not demo's of course.
If you really want to make it interesting we could a .4w over/under 1.1w/ghs spread bet with a parlay for hashrate expectancy. What do you think?
He means he measures it "at the wall" socket using a Watt meter or kill-a-watt meter. Its the usual term, you are the one who is confused. At the wall just means that is what the psu pulls from the wall socket compared to what the miner pulls from the PSU. |
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the shipping is free, but you need to pay Custom Taxes acording to your conutry.
Thanks. What price bitmain writes in customs declaration? I asked to write about 200-300$. Then customs will not have any questions and no taxes for this item. You guys are friggin nuts talking about customs charges and declared values in an open forum.  |
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How the miner is being declared in customs declaration and what is the declared price?
Is it possible to send over EMS instead of UPS?
Sent an email to seller several days ago, but no one have replied yet.
Thank you.
The miner is declared as "Computer Game Gateway" - price $120. If you want other service other than UPS mark it on your order. And just hope he wasn't a customs stooge |
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Ok I helped all you guys out, see if you can assist.
I just added a 4th module to make a Jupiter and of course with my luck it has a Dead Die 0
I am overclocked to 231
As soon as I try 241 or 251 dies start getting shut down due to HW errors.
As you can see I have the temperature covered.
Whats your suggestion on settings? What should I adjust in advanced?
This is a October Saturn/Jupiter with 4 VRMs
Thanks for any suggestions
Have you not tried increasing the voltage just on that die? Works for me |
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So, BA is in China, and sought resellers, first finding you, Matt, then Flappy, then Rival, all of which were vetted by BA, and all four parties have no other connection to one another, is that correct? BTW, this thread sure the hell has become more bearable since fuckface, me, refilled his prescription.  Later, bud. ~Bruno Kucinskas Oh I dunno.. I get the feeling someone is playing possum. |
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Maybe they should just do a die shrink of what they have now, stick two of them on a daughter board, 4 daughter boards in a the same case they use now, water cool it and call it Sol (cos its gonna be HOT).
That should be a quick turnaround in time for Q1 and net them close to 2 TH per box.
I'd hazard something like this is whats going to be their new hosted 28nm miner. Without the die shrink but with further tweaks to the design they should get to 1TH per box easily, especially in a properly designed datacenter. |
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To me they said that bonus will come per device. so not really clear this stuff...
Definitely not. Just take the written language of their advertizement and apply it like a lawyer would. Don't assume anything, just read what they write. (don't consider any sales pitch you were told by the support, just only read the words in the contract.) "For each subsequent 10 days of late shipping, we will add for free 10% more hashing power to your order as penalty." I asked this question in many different ways. In the end as we played out all the possibilities he even told me, that if you thought you were "a wise guy" and made two different orders for two devices more or less simultaneously (within a few days), you would STILL only get one bonus on one device, because they would simply JOIN those two orders and make one order out of them anyway. So really it is COMPLETELY out of the question that you will recieve the bonus on all your devices. I am sorry, I was mislead by the sales pitch too, but their contract language is crystal clear. I'm calling bullshit on that, or you just don't understand what the guy was saying. There is no way legally that would stand up, it doesn't even stand up logically. There is no logical difference is between placing a single ORDER for 10 miners vs placing 10 X ORDER for 1 MINER on each ORDERe.g. 1 Miner = 100GH In the first instance (1 order for 10 miners) you get 10% of the total order more hashing power if they are late, so 10 x 100 = 1000GH + 10% = 1100GH In the second instance (10 orders for 1 miner each) on each order you would get 100GH + 10 % = 110GH x 10 orders = 1100GH Its the same, regardless of how you order it. Its none of their business how you place the orders, all at once or one at a time, you get the same amount of compensation. Rudimentary math. |
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So I asked them. I emailed them some questions and this is the response. I received the response from Keith Gurnett Q3. Have you been manufacturing 28nm Miners all the time since you stopped the last batch of November Jupiters?
A3. No, we are creating the data center now for "Plan B" as a back up to be used if there are any delays with the Neptune production.
Q4. If so, have you been mining with the 28nm miners manufactured since November?
A4. We are mining, but we have not exceeded the 5% of the hash rate which has been released.
Q7. What date will you start offering to convert non-delivered Neptunes into hosted 28nm, and how much will be exchanged?
A7. Like above, if there are any delays customers will be provided with the hosted hash rate.
So... if they cessated manufacturing of 28nm jupiter modules; what exactly is powering the creation of their "World's largest" 28nm mining farm? Unicorn hashers? If they haven't been manufacturing more 28nm jupiter modules, then just how many thousands did they hoard since the last sale in November?  Got an update to my Q3. Have you been manufacturing 28nm Miners all the time since you stopped the last batch of November Jupiters?Keith (kncminer) Feb 07 15:12 Hi, Apologies for the delay in replay and for not answering your question clearly. We have not been manufacturing 28nm miners since the shipping of the November batch completed. Our first priority is to develop and produce the 20nm Neptune miners and plan B will be put in place as a backup. If you have any further questions please do not hesitate in contacting us. Best regards | Med vänlig hälsning Keith Gurnett Kncminer www.kncminer.comOffice: +46 8559 253 20 |
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Super post dude!
Thanks.
When the facts speak goods keep silent!!!!
Thank you
The only thing that matters is when you got the miners and what you have paid for them OC and other stuff is irrelevant here!
In general it turns out that no matter how low the price looks like we are struggling for ROI. Some folks did not liked my posts in other ants threads and call me a troll because of them. I am wandering if anyone of them will DARE to comment?
And hows the ROI on your Hex8A1? |
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just fyi, my neptune refund came in today.
They'd be a lot quicker if only there was some means of transferring funds instantly for low cost, I dunno something like a crypto currency, someone should look at starting one could be revolutionary Nah its a pipe dream, it'll never catch on. ASIC-K how long did it take? |
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