Why do you think? Many people love him too much, because he are "cleaning" this forum from sh*t posters.


I am worried, because I see that many people are doing signatures here and I can´t with my negative . (only some campaigns accept red tagged members)

He's a VIP and Flat Earth takes back seat to bigger conspiracies; I suspect hiding frozen giant humans and other cool antediluvian curiosities.

Where's your proof?   

Besides, the sense of the Bible has way outlasted your foolishness. Even the foolish religion of Abū al-Qāsim Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn ʿAbd al-Muṭṭalib ibn Hāshim will way outlast yours.

Hes talking about the complexity fallacy:

Fallacy 1: The World Needs God As Creator Fallacy
A traditional and still popular notion is that the world is so complex that it needed God to create it. Our origins fascinated even ancient societies and various myths described creation. Monotheists started from ancient times to claim God was necessary as the Creator. This has continued through Thomas Aquinas and William Paley even to Antony Flew who eventually converted to theism because he came to see a need for a creator God as designer of our world.

However the notion that a sophisticated world needs God as its Creator and designer is logically fallacious in two major ways.

Even the most famous design argument and analogy, that of William Paley (1743-1805) who wrote just as a sophisticated watch (unlike a rock) implies a watchmaker, a complex world implies a Creator who is God, has this fallacy. Suppose, as Paley did, that a watch implies a watchmaker, that watchmaker is not God and is not immortal. Likewise even supposing the world has a Creator, that Creator need be neither God nor even immortal. Furthermore, unlike in Paley’s day we are aware not just of evolutionary processes but also of robotic manufacture and artificial computer-like intelligences. Yes, there is a mystery concerning our ultimate genesis, but God is not needed as the solution.

The other fallacy is if one claims the world required a more sophisticated being, God, to create it, one is attempting to solve a problem by creating a yet greater problem. If we are in need of a creator God who is more powerful and greater than us to bring us into existence, that greater God being more wondrous than us would be even more in need than us of some Creator to create and explain it! Indeed as, unlike us, God would be immortally God, it could not develop nor evolve to its present glory over time but must be from the very beginning omnipotent and omniscient – an extraordinary phenomenon, far more inexplicable than even us. Far from solving or explaining the problem of our ultimate origin, the concept of God is actually massively enhancing the problem.

So the notion that God is needed to or even can satisfactorily explain existence as we see it is logically fallacious.

Source: http://www.godfallacies.com/

Math is a language of man. Man is induced to do every math thing (and everything else) that he does, through cause and effect. God is the director of C&E. All math shows that God exists.

The answers are right where I told you in my post you quoted. But you have to think a little, to understand. Not just blab.

Take murder, for example. Does a murderer get grief in his life? Yes! Does he get the grief even if he never heard of the commandment to not murder? Yes! How much plainer can you get? Religion is full of life examples that are realities. Science theory might have a lot of evidence this way or that, but it is not known to be factual at all, because it can be upgraded. Murder isn't ever upgraded into something that everybody accepts.

When are you going to learn how to think? You use language that suggests that you can think. Do you look like someone who is smart enough to think? When are you going to be able to think? Or are you close to pure troll?

Do you find the complexity of a car or computer forming naturally, without some intelligent guidance?

How in the world... Never mind.

You can run the numbers for the big bang, and they always come up the same. But there aren't any big bang experiments that can be attached to the supposed real BB with any certainty or accuracy.

Same with black hole theory. Nobody knows if any experiments to create a black hole actually create the outer-space anomaly that we call a black hole, even though the math remains the same.

Same with E=mc². There are scientific operations and math that refute it in the form that it is in as a theory. And we haven't proven it out completely in experimentation.

Same with gravity theory. It doesn't match gravity entirely, and there are parts of it the theory that we don't have a clue about, really.


Now take religion. Take the 10 Commandments, for example. Everybody knows that you are going to have trouble in your life if you murder someone. All you have to do is ask all the people in prison for murder.

And what about dishonoring your parents? Haven't you ever heard of anybody being taken out of the will because he dishonored a parent at the wrong time?

And look at all the people who covet something, and get in trouble because their covetousness of something leads them into a position where they try to swindle it into their own possession.

And that brings up stealing. Look at how many people are in prison or have a troubled life because they were stealing. Consider simple shoplifting stealing and all the trouble it gets kids into.

So, now that you have see a few things of religion that are plain and simple and blatantly out in the open, why won't you believe that the rest of the breaking of the commandments is just as dangerous or more so?... not honoring God above all things, using His name in vain, and not spending time meditating on His word?

Why no experiments in the Bible or the church? Because they both have the answers. There is nothing to experiment about. Some people, however, test out what the Bible says, and it is their experiment when they go against God's Word.

You entirely have things backward as usual.

The kind of complexity. If there were no human life and spirit complexity, even though there might be some complexity that approaches it, then we might be able to conclude that we needed something more than complexity. But because the complexity is of the mankind type, and is a complexity beyond mankind's ability to figure out, the beyond-mankind thing that made this complexity fits the definition of God.

The real God that science shows exists, and Whose nature is clearly explained in the Bible, and Who possibly shouldn't even be called "God," because He is unfathomably greater than anything we think of when we say "God."

Yep, that's us humans for you. We lie, we cheat, we oppress, we seek power over others. Point to any human institution be it economic, scientific, or religious and you simply need to scratch the surface to expose the corruption we introduce. Religious institutions are in no way immune. They are composed of flawed individuals too.

In the Catholic church during the middle ages the corruption got to the point where it was selling permission to sin in the form of indulgences. The corruption was so severe that believers in the church could no longer overlook the hypocrisy and broke away in open rebellion thus the Protestant Reformation.

Galileo certainly was treated very poorly by the Catholic church but he was no saint himself. He refused to marry the mother of his three children making them illegitimate which was a big deal back then. Despite being a wealthy and powerful man, acknowledging illegitimate daughters would have presumably been embarrassing and inconvenient for him. It would also have probably been costly and difficult to find them good husbands. So instead he opted to sent them away at the tender ages of thirteen and twelve respectively to live in a covenant for the rest of their lives. A very harsh fate for a 12 year old when it is imposed not voluntarily chosen. Galileo was human too a good scientist but very human.



Yes it did or at least that is my belief. The grounding of reality in the divine and the acknowledgement that truth is divine sets us on a quest to seek the truth. Science is nothing more then a formalized and systemic attempt to seek truth. Its prerequisite is the belief and certainty that there is a truth worth seeking.

Friedrich Nietzsche one of the most devastating critics of institutional Christianity that every lived felt this way, as does Jordan Peterson today. Somewhere upthread I posted an eloquent argument by John C. Wright where he makes this case as well. I find the arguments these thinkers put forward persuasive but you will have to make up your own mind.

collecting merit is in my oppinion a waste of time for the newbies as i dont believe this forum will hold that long, there will be new forums emergin etc.

those that donate revied merit to each other, dont do that because they are hostile towards this forum or newbies but because they are say themselves "at least i canwarum up my account" before the admins overdraw themselves like those army generals and their breast stickers...

merit sources as the new billionaires and investors in "bitcointalk"... but i found lots of newbies here that want to really engage into cryptoeconomics but feel demotivated. well i work with them at least. maybe it will be sooner or later time to develop a new cryptoforum, i mean growing the reach of cryptoeconomics has the potential of making it much more stable, with a bigger more inclusive more open community

regards

This is an excellent point, many who believe in nothing forget they still believe something, as "the model of nothingness" or "the model of science". You can replace model with religion as it is founded on beliefs.

In that world a teacher or scientist is the priest. Most people take the "accepted reality" or "model of the world" for granted because they belief a priest. Almost none wants the proof, as the priests have performed a magic ritual on an Altar and got direct insights from the gods. Well, except they were in a research facility, not in a church.

God definitely exists. You guys need to look into the real world guys this is not the real world this world is nothing compared to the real world in heaven. And yes there is a hell. The hell fire is 20x times worse than Volcano Lava Fire.

From what I've learned, the universe is holding in a fine tuned line. It cannot exist without the constant forces of gravity, dispersion, etc. Even our DNA is made up of a finely tuned mechanism of molecules that seems to be designed and not merely just randomly existed. Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. "beginning" is time, "heaven" is space and "earth" is matter. The Big Bang theory also suggests that these 3 elements are the major components of the universe.

Dinosaurs are a conspiracy to hide giant humans and other "modern" animals.