Scientific proof that God exists?

[BADecker]

I propose a seminar.. or at least a wee room filled with those that keep this topic going, with interesting comments.. lets see for ourselves the evidence both for and against. I say this, because I have offered to prove the existance of a diety some would call god. After providing the evidence, no one will have any doubt that even god fears what I will show.. and hence the silence with regards to my 'correct' points of view, that many want 'hushed up'.. hence they naysayers.. quite smply, if the devil exists, so does god.. light is his body, but light of the fire, hence the devil, or the ball above our heads, fact is they are two seperate entities in accordance with distance, and scientific fact, one will suck us into the earth to a hell, or one will drag us through space to burn in an even bigger light.

Is any of this scientific proof for or against?   

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[noneedmoney]

On the face of it, I disagree that "the thread of salvation through the Messiah runs throughout the whole" of the Bible. I found that the Dead Sea Scrolls support my position:

The messiah, according to Jewish [and early Christian] belief, was not a God that would deliver his people by clearing their way to heaven. The messiah was to be an empowered King who would destroy the enemies of the Jews and regain their Holy Land.

[SergeYak]

For me , perosnaly god exist in my head and i can easily talk to him. He isn't answer because always busy but i don't need any other proofs of  God's existing.

[belphegory]

I thank you for the breakdown.

But, wishy washy half truths are still not proper answers.

Your argument is that we are treating science as a religion and god is higher than our science so its the "what technology\science is to us.....would be indistinguishable from magic to cavemen" routine is pathetic. You don't know any better than we do. Its all postulating.

Your deflection that this is a science thread is also pointless.

The question asked was for scientific proof that god exists. My statement was there is no god, therefore no proof.
Your statement was there is a god that you believe exists that science cant prove yet.  Your belief is based on things you don't fully understand....so therefore god exists.

Am I correct?

Your further breakdown of my previous statement is also hilariously wrong.  "Science doesn't understand anything."
Perhaps your lack of understanding of what science actually does, and is...is your basis on how you came to be so wrong.

Science runs\is on facts. Facts that are demonstrable, testable, repeatable and quantifiable.

Religion requires none of those....just "faith". Which again is believing in something with a complete lack of evidence.  Your argument to counter this was there is always some piece of evidence? Which would be what? The bible for most people is all they need. Infact even when confronted with full proof that the bible is a load of man made rubbish made to control people written by bronze age idiots, and massively false and fake, people refuse to accept it....its called cognitive dissonance.

And your admission that christians had people killed because they were heretics as a "mistake" is unfathomable........cos so much death and blood and pain and terror and torture has been caused over the centuries because of christianity is easy to just wash away as a "mistake".... You cant even look with clear and objective eyes at your own history. You are a waste of time and space. Go sit in the children's corner and be quiet, grownups are talking now.

[BADecker]

Science runs\is on facts. Facts that are demonstrable, testable, repeatable and quantifiable.

Is Big Bang Theory science or not? It certainly isn't "demonstrable, testable, repeatable and quantifiable." Yet there are loads of people who "believe" it. When they believe it without demonstrability, testability, repeatability, and quantifiability, they certainly aren't acting scientifically. So, how are they acting? Seems like they are acting religiously.

Religion and science overlap. They overlap as shown above. And they overlap because some of the doctrines or knowledge of almost every religion can be scientifically proven to be correct.

Add to this the fact that cause and effect, entropy, and complexity - this universe - couldn't exist in any way we might guess at, except that God existed to make it all.

[belphegory]

Science runs\is on facts. Facts that are demonstrable, testable, repeatable and quantifiable.

Is Big Bang Theory science or not? It certainly isn't "demonstrable, testable, repeatable and quantifiable." Yet there are loads of people who "believe" it. When they believe it without demonstrability, testability, repeatability, and quantifiability, they certainly aren't acting scientifically. So, how are they acting? Seems like they are acting religiously.

Religion and science overlap. They overlap as shown above. And they overlap because some of the doctrines or knowledge of almost every religion can be scientifically proven to be correct.

Add to this the fact that cause and effect, entropy, and complexity - this universe - couldn't exist in any way we might guess at, except that God existed to make it all.

No one knows for sure. You don't either.

What if it was repeatable? If the universe had always been there just stuck in an endless grow and shrink loop? You seem to be fixated on science as a religion. Build a bridge and get over it.

What your saying is by believing in something we can measure, is quantifiable(its how we got to the age of the universe btw), we have tested for it and is currently demonstrable....is like a religion?? Riiiight.

And they overlap because some of the doctrines or knowledge of almost every religion can be scientifically proven to be correct.

Lets take a deeper look at that shall we?
1. Mayan religion believed they had a sacrifice a human heart......every.....single.....day. Or the sun would not come up.          Very scientific...
2. Scientology believes we have aliens inside us.           Prove that...please.
3. Christians believe there is a piece of Jesus's foreskin that has magical powers.  Very scientific indeed......I bet all sorts of people have tested that over the years...specially nuns. Just saying.....
4. The jewish practise of transferring "sin" onto a chicken\goat\animal and then killing it. Verrrry scientific....
5.The cargo cult of the Tanna island, formed in the early 1900's.....very scientific!



I could go on and on......

The point is people believe whatever they want to believe...and there is no scientific facts in sight....people still believe in superstitious crap. Look at all the old and dead religions....how many gods and beliefs are no longer around?

With science....the universe could be wiped clean...and the same facts about how and why things work would come out EXACTLY the same......everytime.

Religion has nothing to do with knowledge, cos facts and science ruin and destroy it.

 

[DonateBB]

There is no evidence from science that God exists...

[Astargath]

Science runs\is on facts. Facts that are demonstrable, testable, repeatable and quantifiable.

Is Big Bang Theory science or not? It certainly isn't "demonstrable, testable, repeatable and quantifiable." Yet there are loads of people who "believe" it. When they believe it without demonstrability, testability, repeatability, and quantifiability, they certainly aren't acting scientifically. So, how are they acting? Seems like they are acting religiously.

Religion and science overlap. They overlap as shown above. And they overlap because some of the doctrines or knowledge of almost every religion can be scientifically proven to be correct.

Add to this the fact that cause and effect, entropy, and complexity - this universe - couldn't exist in any way we might guess at, except that God existed to make it all.

They don't. Religion just makes up stuff for no reason, they invented gods with no evidence for them and they still have nothing to prove gods exist to this day. Entropy, cause and effect and complexity do not prove god exists, you could merely come to the conclusion that the universe did indeed have a beginning, what was the beginning? We don't know, you claim it's god for some reason.

[ridwan rizaldo]

if you ask the scientific evidence about the existence of god then you already know the answer, for example like yourself, try to think, you are so smart and great, logically there must be other intelligence that created you and that is proof that god exist.

[Astargath]

if you ask the scientific evidence about the existence of god then you already know the answer, for example like yourself, try to think, you are so smart and great, logically there must be other intelligence that created you and that is proof that god exist.

Which god?

[belphegory]

if you ask the scientific evidence about the existence of god then you already know the answer, for example like yourself, try to think, you are so smart and great, logically there must be other intelligence that created you and that is proof that god exist.

Please go read up on this website: http://www.godfallacies.com/

This will explain your fallacy.....

[Noojna]

On the face of it, I disagree that "the thread of salvation through the Messiah runs throughout the whole" of the Bible. I found that the Dead Sea Scrolls support my position:

The messiah, according to Jewish [and early Christian] belief, was not a God that would deliver his people by clearing their way to heaven. The messiah was to be an empowered King who would destroy the enemies of the Jews and regain their Holy Land.

Waaaaa? In Christian belief Jesus was never to be one to fight any victory through waging war. Jesus never looked at territorial claims of the Jews.

[Weriskacili]

when I feel I am nobody, I can not do anything I pray and ask the god to help me and God comes to help me through people closest to me so I can find a way out for all my problems. that is where I believe that God exists 

[mr.bukopie]

From what I've learned, the universe is holding in a fine tuned line. It cannot exist without the constant forces of gravity, dispersion, etc. Even our DNA is made up of a finely tuned mechanism of molecules that seems to be designed and not merely just randomly existed. Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. "beginning" is time, "heaven" is space and "earth" is matter. The Big Bang theory also suggests that these 3 elements are the major components of the universe.

[Astargath]

From what I've learned, the universe is holding in a fine tuned line. It cannot exist without the constant forces of gravity, dispersion, etc. Even our DNA is made up of a finely tuned mechanism of molecules that seems to be designed and not merely just randomly existed. Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. "beginning" is time, "heaven" is space and "earth" is matter. The Big Bang theory also suggests that these 3 elements are the major components of the universe.

Rofl, heaven is space and earth is matter because you say so? Give me a break with your bullshit interpretations. No thanks. Leave.

[dekcutbusu33]

cientific evidence that God exists exists indeed with the existence of the earth and the universe is also a very beautiful universe for us to use.

[jaac]

God definitely exists. You guys need to look into the real world guys this is not the real world this world is nothing compared to the real world in heaven. And yes there is a hell. The hell fire is 20x times worse than Volcano Lava Fire.

[Astargath]

God definitely exists. You guys need to look into the real world guys this is not the real world this world is nothing compared to the real world in heaven. And yes there is a hell. The hell fire is 20x times worse than Volcano Lava Fire.

How do you know that, though?

[BADecker]

God definitely exists. You guys need to look into the real world guys this is not the real world this world is nothing compared to the real world in heaven. And yes there is a hell. The hell fire is 20x times worse than Volcano Lava Fire.

How do you know that, though?

The kind of complexity. If there were no human life and spirit complexity, even though there might be some complexity that approaches it, then we might be able to conclude that we needed something more than complexity. But because the complexity is of the mankind type, and is a complexity beyond mankind's ability to figure out, the beyond-mankind thing that made this complexity fits the definition of God.

[BADecker]

From what I've learned, the universe is holding in a fine tuned line. It cannot exist without the constant forces of gravity, dispersion, etc. Even our DNA is made up of a finely tuned mechanism of molecules that seems to be designed and not merely just randomly existed. Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. "beginning" is time, "heaven" is space and "earth" is matter. The Big Bang theory also suggests that these 3 elements are the major components of the universe.

Rofl, heaven is space and earth is matter because you say so? Give me a break with your bullshit interpretations. No thanks. Leave.

When you get down into the micro of matter far enough, you find that all matter is energy. We don't have an example of any matter that is NOT some form of energy within its core existence.