Bitcoin Forum
June 01, 2024, 08:19:18 AM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
  Home Help Search Login Register More  
  Show Posts
Pages: « 1 ... 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 [136] 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 ... 463 »
2701  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Will there ever be any monetary incentives to run a full node? on: December 06, 2020, 04:56:35 PM
If it is known how the block number N in one chain will differ from the block number N in another chain, then what prevents the spv-client from downloading this block and checking it. Downloading a single block once every 5 years does not make it a full node.
What client downloads a single block once every 5 years? A full node does its own validation of the blockchain. That's why it doesn't have to trust anyone else. SPV clients are completely different. The easiest way to mitigate this is probably by downloading and validating the blockchain. For which you'll probably just make another full node. It doesn't compare block height because it's grossly inaccurate to assume the height to be X at unix time X because of the changing hashpower.

If it is very easy to create many fake nodes for spv nodes, what prevents you from creating many fake nodes for full nodes? If the spv client connects to 8 full nodes, and the full node connects to 8 full nodes, then the cost of surrounding them with fake full nodes will be the same. I don't see the benefits of a full node.
How do you trick a full node? Feed a full node a chain full of transactions that doesn't follow the rules, it'll refuse too accept, no matter how much proof of work it has. SPV clients lack the full blockchain that full nodes has and it thus has to assume that the longest chain is the honest valid chain. It will not specifically check each block for it's validity and thus if you were to feed SPV clients (in the context of sybil attacks) with block headers that doesn't follow the protocol rules, the SPV client will blindly accept them. In contrast, since the full node validates the entire blockchain, it will ensure that each and every block has a valid POW and all of the transactions follows the protocol rules.

The damage that you can potentially do with SPV client is a lot more than what you can do with a full node only.
2702  Other / Meta / Re: Spam attack. Please nuke them. on: December 06, 2020, 04:32:41 PM
I really think Bitcoin Discussion needs at least one additional moderator.  If you think about the most popular, most important sections of the forum, Bitcoin Discussion ought to be the section that's kept spam/shitpost/shit-thread-free.  Unfortunately, it's been filled with garbage for years, and it's where shitposters know they can post gibberish without anyone noticing it, for the sole reason that there's so much of it.

So yeah, nuke these jerkoffs.  But man, Bitcoin Discussion seriously needs to be cleaned up in general.
The thing is most of the spammers posts things that are wildly inaccurate but it is technically not off-topic so you can't really report them, the most that you can do is to try to correct them and the next post would be another spammer posting the same misinformation. It's especially difficult when there are spam megathreads that is pretty much just an echo chamber.

I hate how Bitcoin Discussion has deteriorated to a point whereby any meaningful discussion is especially hard to find.
Some actually employ a personal list, like CryptopreneurBrainboss. While it's a small step forward, I guess more will follow suit once they tire out from the constant subpar postings they have to screen thru.
I know Lutpin used to have such a list with a fair number of participants. Unfortunately, that's pretty dead. Would've been quite useful even up till now.
2703  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Taxation of 30% on gains from Bitcoin investment? on: December 06, 2020, 01:30:49 PM
Taxation on capital gains is fairly common. Places without those taxes usually attracts billionaires so that their wealth will be taxed less significantly. Attempting to prove the extent of your capital gains would be an administrative nightmare, in terms of determining how much to tax so I don't expect most countries to start taxing cryptos yet. It's not that unfair to impose a high tax on capital gains though, IMO.
2704  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Dust outputs preventing transaction on: December 06, 2020, 10:50:06 AM
AFAIK, Electrum automatically eliminates dust outputs from change by spending it as fees.

I suspect that you've gotten your units of Bitcoins wrong. Are you sure you're using BTC and not mBTC? Many newbies were confused by the UI and tends to treat the mBTC as BTC, thus resulting in them trying to spend 0.0001mBTC, etc.
2705  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Will there ever be any monetary incentives to run a full node? on: December 06, 2020, 09:22:38 AM
There is also the problem with number of confirmation, during the same time a SPV client has to wait for much larger number of confirmation (100+) whereas the full node doesn't.
I think 100+ is an exaggeration, wasn't it close to 30 or so? Even so, the problem will persist for any client that doesn't know the new rules and will still blindly follow the other chain which still follows the older network rules. So the problem wasn't specific to full nodes.

However, my POV is that given that SPV only validates block headers, it still can't be as secure as fully validating nodes and operates under the presumption that the SPV client will not get sybil attacked and the longest difficulty-wise POW chain is valid. I'm not sure how that could be disputed.

But I would like to consider @aliashraf POV as well, have you had a discussion on this on the forum or could you point me to the relevant sources?
2706  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: setting up full bitcoin node on: December 06, 2020, 03:11:42 AM
Why 1TB though, I wonder? Like, isn't the current blockchain size around (or less than) 350GB? Is that just to avoid spending yet another sum of money on more storage on the long run?
Somewhere around there. I don't believe that there would be a huge price difference between getting a 500GB disk and a 1TB disk drive, at least that's what I found recently.

You'll still have to accommodate for the OS and other miscellaneous stuff as well. If you're looking to get it for the long run, I'll think the tiny bit of price difference would be worth it for the possible headaches in the future.
2707  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: has bitcoin achieved its goal? on: December 06, 2020, 03:03:35 AM
I don't think there is any pre-defined goal for Bitcoin, nor there is any one that is able to set goals for Bitcoin. Depends on how you view it, the very invention of Bitcoin fulfilled Satoshi's goal to make a currency that's trustless and decentralised. I don't think he ever envisioned Bitcoin to become this successful and thought of it as a way to make micro transactions.

IMO, the very end (and ideal) goal of Bitcoin is for it to achieve widespread adoption. Until we are ready to ditch fiat and go for Bitcoin, that won't happen any time soon.
2708  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: setting up full bitcoin node on: December 05, 2020, 05:17:26 PM
What is your purpose of running a full node? For your personal transactions or to help the network?

Running a pruned node allows you to save the storage space while still preserving the same level of security that you'll enjoy from a node that synchronizes fully.

125GB is far from enough for you to synchronize the blockchain fully and you'll have to prune it. The downside of that is that you can't swap the wallet files out as and when you like. You'll have to resynchronize the entire blockchain if you want to do so. Pruned nodes are perceived to be less useful than actual full nodes due to the fact that it can only serve a limited amount of information. You'll want to get a disk of at least 1TB if you want to run a node without pruning. Pruning will discard the unnecessary files that you won't need if you don't care about the things mentioned.

As for the OS, I don't find much of a difference between them. If you want to focus on privacy, Linux is the way to go. If you want better value, you shouldn't choose Apple. IMO, it's up to your personal preference and what you'd like to get.
2709  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Paper wallets question on: December 05, 2020, 03:20:49 PM
 Change either goes back to the original address (bad practice for privacy) or to some other wallet generated change address  And what would that be? Thats what I meant by oblivion. If its not going to the original public key, then where is it going? Thanks again man..this is enlightening
It shouldn't go to another address. What Dave meant was for the change to be sent to an address that is generated from the seed MyCelium has generated for you. I haven't used a paper wallet in quite a while so I'm not sure if that happens.

I honestly don't think MyCelium would be incompetent enough to make such a mistake. Could you send the transaction ID so we can see what's happening. I think it's unsettling to know that it doesn't sweep the paper wallet completely.
2710  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Paper wallets question on: December 05, 2020, 03:09:09 PM
So how much miner's fee did you pay? Do you have the relevant TXID? Did you specify any amounts to send? Could provide some clues as to why this is happening.

I haven't seen MyCelium's source code for quite a while, I don't like mobile wallets in general and find them pretty poorly maintained actually.
2711  Other / Meta / Re: Spam attack. Please nuke them. on: December 05, 2020, 02:37:40 PM
Is there any other way ? I know the mods are working real hard at the moment , but long term is there any other solution?
There's an auto mod that automatically nukes the user, CMIIW. I'm not sure why it isn't working now. Some of the bots actually masks the spam by copying other posts and inserting their spam in the middle, will be harder to counter in that case.
2712  Economy / Economics / Re: What inflation lol?? on: December 05, 2020, 02:35:57 PM
If your country doesn't have a steady inflation, then it won't be good. Inflation stimulates consumption by the consumers by making goods more expensive in the future. A steady inflation is also indicative of a steady economic growth as the aggregate supply and demand can be kept at the intermediate range which ensures a healthy utilisation of the resources. Hyperinflation (like Zimbabwe) or deflation (in the case of Japan some time ago).

I really don't think you understand what inflation is, at all. Do your basic research.
2713  Other / Meta / Re: Spam attack. Please nuke them. on: December 05, 2020, 01:40:44 PM
There was a huge influx of spam recently but not uncommon. Just use the report to moderator button to report it. It'll get removed soon when one of them reviews it.
2714  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: How to significantly decrease the randomness of your newly generated seed phrase on: December 05, 2020, 12:54:01 PM
In general, does it enter into the calculation of the expected value[1]? We have a specific iteration of an experiment that has a limited range of options (1 to 6).

If all the dice are rolled once, then repeating it several times may result in lower quality random private keys.

[1] How To Calculate Expected Value (Worked Examples)
What does expected value has to do with the generation of entropy though? Each of the dice has an equal chance of landing on each of the face. The expected value shouldn't matter since you're not calculating the average value of the dice nor anything similar.

Each of the unbiased dice roll will provide a certain and fixed amount of entropy because it is truly random. For example, if the 5th value is 6 in the first set of 100 and the 5th value is 5 in the second set, the resultant seed will be different. For someone to crack this, they'll have to land the dices at exactly the same value for 100 consecutive times, with the same permutation. This would be a pretty near impossible feat, giving the user a 256bit of entropy.
2715  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: How to significantly decrease the randomness of your newly generated seed phrase on: December 05, 2020, 12:25:14 PM
Sounds cool. but honestly i would rather use CSPRNG library or /dev/urandom from my terminal

Code:
cat /dev/urandom | xxd -l 16 -p
Actually, has there been a successful attempt to intentionally sabotage the RNG within an OS during a key generation?


I think using dice rolls to generate entropy is not that bad of an idea. Especially when the point of it is to ensure that ColdCard isn't tampering with the seeds. Given that the key pad only has space for numerical characters, using dice rolls to generate entropy for a ColdCard wallet is probably the only way for the user to be sure that the RNG of the ColdCard isn't compromised.
2716  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New Chinese Quantum Computer breakthrough - should we be concerned? on: December 05, 2020, 08:32:01 AM
It might not be able to do it for now but trust me, quantum computer do cryptography.
I literally never said quantum computers can't ever attack asymmetric cryptography. I merely stated that its not feasible to attack  cryptography using what we have now.
You are being ignorant about the speed of each qubit. It can attack blockchain unfortunately,
Okay. Call me ignorant all you want. What you need for a quantum computer to do to specifically attack asymmetric cryptography is to be good at factoring. As of now, I haven't seen any of them that are efficient enough to crack keys. D-Wave designed quantum computers with a high qubit using quantum annealing but that isn't suitable to be used with Shor's algorithm because you'll need fast factoring. There, you have discovered a computer with a high qubit but isn't effective when used against asymmetrical cryptography.

With that respect, it's like comparing to having a sports car on earth and a sports car in space. The latter is absolutely useless without traction.

As with China's new discovery, I won't read too much into it because they only presented a proof of concept which may or may not work. It could very well just be an exaggeration of what we have as of now.

if it can't do that algorithm, the operator can just create that algorithm and make it compatible with the quantum computer.
Can you read up on what Shor's algorithm is first? You can't simply defy the laws of physics by "inventing a new algorithm". I believe Grover's algorithm is what you're looking for with cracking symmetric cryptography but that is very easy to counter as well and is likely to be ineffective against Bitcoin or similar implementations.


I sincerely hope that you didn't just quote my post without any evidence. I would love to see some study done on the effectiveness of using quantum computers that utilises quantum annealing to attack ECDSA or similar cryptography.
2717  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin.com and its verify message for bitcoin. Is it trusted? on: December 05, 2020, 07:03:02 AM
If they are honestly and seriously with their project, they would move to a domain as bitcoincash.com.
They disagreed with what Bitcoin did in the past. Why would they move their site off the domain? They ain't stupid.
I only found they have a tool to verify bitcoin message. Should I use their tool to verify bitcoin message? Are they set up any traps on their site and with that tool?
I think common sense tells you if you don't trust a site, you shouldn't use the site. There are plenty of different sites to validate your signed message. Coinb.in for example, which is well designed. You can't tell if a site is trustable because your browser is get the data from the server and the information can change at any point in time.

I would recommend you to just use your wallet's utility tool or download the coinb.in's github version.

I'm pretty sure the utility itself says Enter Bitcoin Cash or Bitcoin address.
2718  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Government don't accept Bitcoin. on: December 05, 2020, 06:54:05 AM
You can't explain. Just don't get caught. If your country deems Bitcoin to be illegal and you still use it, you're doing it at your own peril and no amount of explanation is going to convince them that they shouldn't prosecute you for using Bitcoin.

I, for one would immediately set up a Tor browser and route all my traffic through it. At the very least, they cannot link the stuff that I do with Bitcoin to my real life identity. Concealing your identity would be the top priority and you would probably be better off trying out decentralised and P2P exchanges.

I don't think banning Bitcoin is effective nor reasonable. But as always, do things at your own risks; there's always a chance that you'll be caught.
2719  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New Chinese Quantum Computer breakthrough - should we be concerned? on: December 05, 2020, 06:50:32 AM
D-Wave has made a quantum computer with 5000 qubits. Can it be used to crack symmetrical cryptography? No, it can't use Shor's algorithm as intended and it isn't really a true quantum computer.

If they have really achieved such a quantum computer, I can guarantee you personally that they won't bother to attack any blockchain technology. TLS and web encryption are the treasure trove to them. Getting a bunch of Bitcoins from old addresses with exposed public key is NOT worth their time at all, believe or not.

Anyways, you can always implement quantum resistant algorithm and it is not too hard to fork it.
2720  Economy / Goods / Re: Selling ASUS TUF Gaming NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 OC Edition on: December 05, 2020, 05:10:42 AM
You mean besides the fact that nobody writes numbers like that?
I've never seen someone who writes the letters that looks EXACTLY the same and looking like some kind of font at the same time. Must have some real steady hands amirite?

And of course, I would love to see a picture that doesn't include a photoshopped post it.
Pages: « 1 ... 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 [136] 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 ... 463 »
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!