It's not activity they care about. It's post-count. As long as they can still get a +1 by posting in there then it will keep being spammed. As I've said numerous times before that board has served its purpose. It's now largely used just by sig spammers to get away with legalised copy and pasting. Anyone who wants to post an article can do so in the main board as many already do. I don't see any reason for the Press board to stay. It was created at a time when any news hit was in fact notable and exciting. Now it's not and we probably get mentioned every other day in some form of another, but I don't think we need a board to post an article from CoinTelegraph about some random guy that said bitcoin is bubble or is going to go to 1 million or John Mcaffee says he's going to eat his own dick if some random shitcoin he's been paid to promote doesn't go to a dollar. Pointless.

Each to their own, but I don't find them too intrusive, and it's not like the vast majority of websites on the internet don't offer such banners.


Nope. He just walked away. That's what happens when too much responsibility is placed on one person. It just becomes too much to handle. I always said it was too much work for just one person and now cyrus just doesn't seem to bother either so nothing gets done. At least BadBear used to look into half the stuff that needed doing.


I doubt it. I'm surprised people even bid on them to be honest. Especially when you can create your own crapcoin token and pay people for free to advertise. The slots are also barely even noticeable and are drowned out by all the signatures.

Ha, I was just about to say that those posts are possibly copied from somewhere. This is another big issue and what's colossally wrong with this forum and shows you what a sad state of affairs it is. Often when I'm going through threads and and I actually see a post from someone putting some thought and effort into them they stand out like a sore thumb amongst all the spam and one liners, but I have to google them to see if they're plagiarised and sadly probably 7 or 8 times out of ten they are.


If you see someone actually writing worthwhile posts here just google a sentence or two of it. Such a shame that this is what has become of this place.

Theymos, so when are you going to remove signatures from Juniors and/or make them achieve some sort of merit to become one? This would have probably stopped this guy from earning anything. Newbies and Junior Members should not be able to get paid for copy and pasting.  If you can't earn some minimal amount of merit then you don't deserve be able to earn here.

Cyrus could be busy doing other things behind the scenes that we don't know about. Or maybe he isn't. No way to tell unless someone says otherwise, but I don't think we should be getting rid of admins.


It might have been bringing in 1btc a long time ago, but I can't see them going for anywhere near that at current value. Maybe theymos should sell them at a fixed rate instead of running auctions. I've suggested before that there should be premium ad slot at the top of certain sub boards like this:



Businesses could target their market better (and which they would obviously pay more for). For instance a dice site could advertise in Gambling sub or a Campaign Manager in Services etc but theymos doesn't seem interested.

Well hopefully it falls under the 'Or not yet' or 'Or the idea would need to be significantly modified' parts. Everybody I've mentioned this to seems to be back it in some capacity (and some think it should be much more than one merit). I haven't yet seen any better suggestions to stop or at the very least curb bots or the very worst of the worst of spammers from getting paid as Juniors.


They don't. Why does rank matter? If they can't get merit then they're still shitposters regardless of ranks. Requiring a small amount of merit isn't hostile, especially when it's majorly Junior Members that are causing so much damage. People can still post here without earning any merit nor do they need a signature to be able to do that.


I don't think it has anything to do with business decisions. Theymos has already said he thought about removing the one and only ad slot we have here so he can't care too much about traffic effecting forum revenue. The people who come here to earn aren't going to just give up because they need one merit or so to get a signature either. How about all the traffic and users that are lost from genuine users who leave because this forum is unfit for purpose and is 90% spammers posting nonsense about things they know nothing about just in order to get paid? That needs to change or this board will wholly become a welfare system for spammers. Requiring a minimal amount of merit isn't ridiculous nor restrictive. People can still post here or claim bounties, they just can't get paid to post until they've got the merit and I think this is how it should be, otherwise nothing will change and people will continue to farm Junior accounts in their hundreds if not thousands and that needs to be stopped somehow.

Hell no. That board isn't being moderated as strictly as it should. Not only is it just for bitcoin news but it's meant to be from notable sources only, not any old random crypto article from a blog site. That board has served its purpose in my opinion and should just be locked/archived or at the very least a thread stickied there noting that content has to be from notable non-crypto based sources only so that doesn't include CoinTelegraph and cryptocrapnews.net. If you want to post these things then they go in the alt coin board.

I don't get the logic behind that. Surely that would be more incentive to add somebody else. What good is an admin if they're doing very little? Workload could be distributed between various mods. Theymos recently said that he's even thought about getting rid of ad slots because they're time -consuming to run and that just seems silly to me. Kill off the only source of income this place has? Pass that work on to someone else so theymos can crack on with coding the forum. The more workload he delegates the less stress and hassle for him and he's then free to do the more important stuff and the forum benefits in the process.

This forum is far from boring, but the quality of content is shit and gets worse with each passing month the longer we do nothing about it. It's rare you can have a decent conversation about anything in boards like Bitcoin discussion because they're populated and overwhelmed with sig spammers and farmers who only care about making low effort posts as quickly as possible. That obviously needs to be tackled if we want things to change around here. You could do that quite quickly by removing signatures completely from lower ranks and punishing those spam campaigns who pay everyone to make this spam in the first place. Those two simple changes would have a remarkable effect on the shitposting culture around here that has become both tolerated and the norm.

What do you think juries are for? They're to remove the possibility of bias from the judge. Would you seriously prefer it just to be one person who presides over this? What happens about their ego? If a problem campaign is spotted then you get the opinion of the other members in the group so you don't have to rely on the possibly bias opinion of one. It's taking away power and responsibility from one person and sharing it among several allowing for more impartiality.
 

No, but he's a campaign manager who should have faced some punishments because he's been allowed to 'run' his campaigns by doing absolutely nothing other than paying people as long as they bothered to make the spam.


But what about the "egos" of the mods?

What do you mean the opposite? You mean you need something like 500 merit to become a Junior? I think there should be a merit requirement for them as well as their signature being removed, but it shouldn't be unnecessarily high. They will already struggle to get something like ten merits, but a decent poster won't have much issue with that whilst it will also severely curb the worst of the worst posters and also bots etc.


That has literally been suggested, along with being able to prohibit certain users from posting in it so you don't need to waste time removing the posts of users you don't even want posting in there or breaking your 'local' rule etc.

I think custom titles would be a nice perk for a premium donator rank and at least people could choose there own then. I think it would be a big selling point, especially for businesses who want to put thinks like "Dicesite Community Manager" or whatnot under there username. Theymos doesn't seem to be in a hurry to add more donator ranks though. I still think we should get rid of signatures completely from lower ranks and give them the option to purchase them via Copper/Silver/Gold ranks etc. The benefits are numerous.

It has already become largely unfit for purpose. The vast majority of people posting here are just those churning out one/two liners for payment )or farming) and that much is obvious if you spend a few minutes reading a random thread in Bitcoin Discussion.


There are rules, but a lot of the most important ones aren't enforced efficiently (bans or ban evasion to name a couple). The list of rules is also mostly community generated and the rules theymos initially created were very few and consisted of mostly things like no off topic replies. I'm not sure whether he even cares about enforcing half of them, but if certain rules aren't going to be enforced we should just get rid of them and go back to having only a handful of rules and let people already do largely what they want because that's what most do anyway. I don't think we should do this or allow it but not much else we can do about it without theymos' help.


He's recently stated he's the only person working on coding it now so that's likely why it's taking so long and he also why he doesn't have much time to commit to admin duties here.


Blacklisting signatures requires theymos input unless he creates a tool for other staff or admins to use.

You can argue whether they don't care or not, but they're not getting looked into because the admins don't have time to look into them (in their own words). An automatic recovery tool is apparently being developed according to theymos and will hopefully be ready by the end of the year, so unless any more staff are given access to restore them then you're likely going to have to wait a few more months for that unfortunately.

Anyone think Liverpool could struggle at Leicester today? Not sure whether to go for a risky one or just back Liverpool to win. I#ll wait to see what the line-ups are like before I commit though. Not sure if Vardy's back yet and that will make a huge difference.


Luck of the draw really, though they have been playing well. I don't think they'll stay there for long though. Tomorrow's game against spurs will be the real test for them. If they can get at least point out of that game then there's no telling where they could go.



Wondered why you didn't seem to be making them.

What if the guy doesn't want the title? Has he acknowledged what it has become anywhere? Could be a deep source of shame and embarrassment for all we know  .

Should give one to the guy who first complained 'merit ruins lives' as well.


It seems he logged on a month ago, though he hasn't posted in a while.

And so can users. In the very post you say "whoops" and realised it was already answered. Redundant.


But that's a different matter. There's no case for this being a mistake by mods yet. Mods are human and do make mistakes but most of the time when people complain it's usually users that have made the mistake and broken a rule somehow.


If something is against the rules then it's against the rules. It's not censorship. If it was removed because it was multiposting then just edit the previous post with the info or post it another time.

If you're not a merit source then you can probably run out of them very fast, especially if you're giving out more than one per post. Remember, for those that aren't merit sources you will only have them to give when people actually merit you (which isn't that frequent for most) and then you only have half the amount to 'spend' so it will quickly go and when users don't merit others more than one/two/three  at a time often that leaves little merit to send on.

Did you post them in threads about bitcoin? If so, they were likely seen as off topic.


Who said it was a mistake? Whether it was or wasn't depends on the context and the threads they were posted in.


HostFat might not even have authority/ability to remove them. It depends what board they were posted in.

I think the issue is two fold. Most people don't have many merits so have to be frugal with them, and posts can get buried very fast. Even threads with worthwhile discussion happening where gems can be found they quickly get buried by dozens of users making generic one/two liners. When those users are getting paid as Juniors or whatever rank they automatically have it doesn't really matter to them and there's no real incentive for them to improve. That's why I'm strongly pushing for a merit requirement for users to become Juniors. If we removed their signatures completely then thus would force users to have to get ten merit and become a Member before they could even earn in the first place. I think this will have a huge effect on the quality of posts here as bots and spammers will get no where or not very far without getting the merit in whatever capacity.


I'm sure he will be eclipsed soon, especially as he's MIA now. Though as I mentioned above the lack of people giving merit is an issue. If it wasn't for Welsh giving me some yesterday I would have broken my combo despite writing 9 or so pretty decent lengthy posts (in my opinion). Again, I'm not going to lose sleep over merit as it's largely irrelevant to me now but there are plenty of others possibly even more deserving who will go umerited. Quality users will get there eventually anyway, but 'average' or even above average users will likely struggle.

Of course it will survive. I'm not sure survive is the right word you're using here. The forum isn't going to 'die' when the traffic continues to grow due to bounties and sig campaigns. The majority of traffic will be trash and the forum will become even worse than it already is and unfit for it's true purpose in the process, but it wont die.


The forum is badly understaffed in my opinion, but I honestly don't know whether theymos prefers it that way with minimal moderation and rules etc. It doesn't make for a very usable or user-friendly forum though and you can see that from the number of complaints about various issues.


Semantics. Either more admins need to be added or more people doing admin duties. Doesn't matter what title you give them. If theymos doesn't trust some of the current staff members with some of this then they probably shouldn't be mods in the first place. You could have people running the ad slots without them even having to hold any money if that was something he's worried about. Theymos could continue to hold the addresses and the staff member is just in charge of making sure the money gets paid there. Sure, a staff member might try divert funds to addresses owned by them but is that worth ruining their account over? They probably couldn't get away with that much for a monthly ad slot anyway and there are probably easier ways a staff member could make money or even scam someone here.


He also isn't happy with the spam just like everyone else, so a compromise needs to be found here. You don't have to remove signatures either but the culture needs to change and only those making quality contributions should be getting paid here. If this forum is going to continue as it is then it is no longer fit for anything other than being a welfare system for those who will just continue to find ways to cheat and abuse it.



Well that's a misconception they're going to need to get over or actually think about what they're complaining about. Just because something is decentralised doesn't mean there are no rules. Bitcoin has rules. You can't complain that there should be more bitcoins in existence or bitcoin should be the run the way you want it because decentralisation.


ICOs tend to not bother because they don't really care. They're not business that are here for the longrun; they want to take in as much money as fast as possible then disappear and paying someone to run their campaign properly is both needless, counter-productive and an unnecessary expense to them. Bitcoin paying campaigns tend to have proper business behind them that care about their reputation and actually want to build something. That's the difference. There needs to be some standards here. Imagine a society without rules or regulations. There's a reason why a civilised society has things like building regulations because people would just cut corners and do a shitty job as cheap as possible and and put lives at risk in the process.


I don't think it'd be easy to enforce who can and can't run them, but it's easy to police when they're doing a shitty job. There's new campaign managers who do a great job, but there's plenty more who don't and those are the ones who we should go after.