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2721  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: September 11, 2014, 07:04:56 PM
gogo- switch the view to American for Betcoinsports. You'll get the view that guys from the US like. Their hold is the best in the biz on some NFL games.

Cinc - 5 -105
Atl +5 -105

Cle +6.5 -103
NO -6.5 -106.

same with the total Cle/NO -103/-109





2722  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: September 11, 2014, 03:37:20 AM
Not bitcoin news but this may be an incentive for books and players to switch to bitcoins.

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Online sportsbooks & the new UK Gambling law
By: SBR | Wednesday, September 10, 2014
New UK gambling law set to take effect 1 Oct 2014
Remote gambling operators must hold a license with UK Gambling Commission
Point of Consumption tax imposed as of 1 Dec 2014
What does this mean for players?
Major legislative changes are set to take effect in the UK — starting October 1 all online sportsbooks that cater to UK clients must be licensed by the UK Gambling Commission. This requirement is part of the UK Government's sweeping gambling reform which introduces the Gambling (Licensing and Advertising) Act of 2014 (the "GLA") and amends existing law The Gambling Act, established in 2005. What does the new law mean for online sportsbooks and what do sports bettors need to know?

Prior to the GLA, online sportsbooks have only been required to hold a UK Gambling Commission license if they had remote gambling equipment located in Great Britain. The gaming sites were even allowed to advertise their business in the UK — provided they were subject to the laws of another EEA state (including Gibraltar) or a 'White List' jurisdiction, which includes the likes of Antigua and Barbuda, Alderney, and the Isle of Man.

Under the GLA all remote gambling operators must hold a license to offer any gambling service to UK residents; betting, bingo, casino, lottery, or even gambling software are included. The license itself comes with an application fee and an annual fee payable to the UK Gambling Commission. The fee is relative to the type and size of the gambling business. The deadline for these operators to apply for a license prior to the law taking effect on October 1 is September 15.

SBOBet and 12Bet have already announced a UK market exit, and the rumor mill suggests that at least one other high-profile sportsbook will also pull out of the UK ahead of the legislation taking effect.

Point of Consumption Tax
In addition to the license requirement and as of 1 December 2014, profits made by gambling operators on bets placed via the internet from players located in the UK will be subject to a 15% tax rate. There has been widespread criticism on the bill though the writing has been on the wall for some time. SBR reported in August of last year that Remote Gambling Association CEO Clive Hawkswood stated of the tax: "We knew it was coming. The focus for us now is on trying to get the actual rate of the tax reduced.”

The point of consumption tax has remained 15%, which comes as victory to the UK Government, but will undoubtedly have a profoundly negative effect in the online sportsbook industry as a whole as marketers, software providers, and ultimately players are likely to see their wallets tapped as companies balance their checkbooks against the exorbitant tax.

What does this mean for players?
Players who live outside of the United Kingdom are just as likely to feel the effects of the gambling tax reform as those inside. Online sportsbooks that choose to deal with the high tax rate and continue to service UK residents might opt to raise transaction fees associated with deposits or withdrawals, or even add a fee where there was not one before. And, of course there is a chance that if you're in the UK and you love playing with book XYZ, book XYZ might decide it does not do well enough financially in the UK market to justify the cost of the tax.

Enforcement of the UK Gambling Laws
How the UK Government and the Gambling Commission intend to police the industry remains unclear. The government could order internet service providers to block access to websites that refuse to cease serving UK residents whilst skirting the licensing obligation; there may be significant civil or even criminal consequences.
2723  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: September 10, 2014, 08:37:40 PM
Nitrogen sports is running a fantasy contest where the winner receivesa free .2 BTC bet. It's jackpot style. If no one wins, the .2 is added to the pot next week.

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Hi guys and welcome to another /r/nitrogensports FREE BET contest!
If you're new to these contests, first make a NitrogenSports.eu account. Once you've hit the page, an account number is assigned to you. Go to the top right and click My Account and then add a Login/Password to the account. Once done, come back here and use the user number assigned to you to identify yourself and get the free bet if you win!
This one is super simple. All you do is pick one player from any team for each position to assemble a 5 player team. Your goal is to select the highest scoring player in each position. If you correctly select all 5, you will get a .2 FREE BET. The positions are as follows:
| Quarterback | Running Back | Wide Receiver | Tight End | Kicker |
An example submission would look like this (feel free to copy and past and submit your own players):
| Tom Brady | Doug Martin | Calvin Johnson | Julius Thomas | Nick Folk |
Remember, you are trying to guess the highest scoring player in each position this week. The scoring used can be found here: https://www.draftkings.com/help/nfl
Contest closes at kickoff of the first game Sunday. 1 PM EST 9/7/14.
You can select the same players as other people.
You need all 5 to be the highest scoring in their position for the week to win the grand prize.
This will be a Jackpot style contest meaning if no one wins this week, the prize gets added to next weeks and grows until someone hits it. Good luck!
Team Selection
User #   QB   RB   WR   TE   K
#414   Tom Brady   Doug Martin   Calvin Johnson   Julius Thomas   Nick Folk
#38316   Peyton Manning   Demarco Murray   Calvin Johnson   Jimmy Graham   Brandon McManus
~~Don't forget to subscribe to the subreddit and follow @esportsbettor and @nitrogensports on Twitter to never miss a contest!
Disclaimer: Nitrogen Sports is not running this contest. This contest is run solely by stander and his decisions do not reflect the views of Nitrogen Sports. Please allow up to 48 hours after contests closes for prizes to be delivered.
http://www.reddit.com/r/nitrogensports/comments/2g143d/contest_week_2_nfl_fantasy_game_2_free_bet/
2724  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: September 10, 2014, 06:47:38 PM
This guy peeps place would sell his own mother for a few bucks.

Proven to be on some books payrolls yet denies it.

His grading system is as bunk as they come





5 books have banners at peepsplace and those books are currently rated "A", "B+", "B-", "C" and "C-". Anonibet, Nitrogen, Betcoinsports, Jetwin, BetVIP. There are good reasons to play at each book. We aim to help those books get new players that currently play with fiat books. All 5 are strong books that we believe in. They wouldn't have banners if we didn't believe in them.

Rating guidelines have prevented them from all being "A". The guidelines would be changed and all would be "A" if your statement was true. We have turned down some books. "D" books and "NR" will never have a banner.
2725  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: September 10, 2014, 06:38:17 PM
You can use fiat or bitcoin with Pinnacle.


since when does Pinnacle accept BTC? Or are you talking about agent accounts at Pinnacle?
Agents
2726  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: September 10, 2014, 11:24:22 AM
With the deadheat stuff, that is a big issue. I would sound the alarms on that one.

We've stated in the past that it doesn't really matter to us whether to settle UFC ties and Basketball Quarter and Half time ties as a push or as dead heat and that we are open to changes.

Seeing that some of you here are not satisfied with the current rule and in an effort to utilize the most commonly used rule, we took the decision to change these two rules and push tied bets instead of using the dead heat rule.

A formal announcement will be made later on today.

As for the rule in regards to postponed Baseball games, no change will be made because we believe that it is better to have the same rule all year long. Furthermore, this rule is in-line with our postponed games rule on other sports.

Why do you think that it is better to have two different rules, one for the regular season and one for postseason ?
My thoughts on it after reading more outside of US and CR.

I looked at SBOBET. I think they take the largest wagers in Europe and Asia. They go with 36 hours. Books located in Europe are all over the place, next day, 36 hour, same day. The bitcoin books seem to be the same way.

Now that Pinny and Bookmaker have switched, all books on my side of the pond, grade same day. I guess it really doesn't matter what you do unless you are going to want to accept those that scalp/arb some day. You'll then want to go same day since Pinnaclesports will take the largest wagers in baseball and they have a low hold. You can use fiat or bitcoin with Pinnacle.

2727  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: September 10, 2014, 08:19:08 AM
Nice turn out for the survivor pools.

Nitrogen had 517 entrants in the free pool. 318 are left after week 1.
Casinobitcoin had 192 entrants and 102 are left.

Both sites also have pay pools.
2728  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: September 10, 2014, 02:57:22 AM
Update  - Added live NFL

2729  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: September 10, 2014, 01:29:57 AM
edited per request.
2730  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: September 09, 2014, 05:00:26 PM
my bet is WINNER W/O DJOKOVIC.Kei Nishikori  is second place till have higher place than Djokovic

This bet was not on which player will finish higher than Djokovic. It can't be such a bet because when you placed it Djokovic was already eliminated from the tournament and it was determined that Kei Nishikori will finish in a higher position.

I sent you a PM with further information and clarification.
Why would you list " W/O Djokovic" when not only were they on the same side of the draw, they played against each other and the match concluded? The ticket makes no sense and I can see why it confused the player.
2731  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: September 09, 2014, 04:34:58 PM
Allow me to point to a peepsplace thread on the subject:

http://www.peepsplace.com/showthread.php?t=429713

Besides the actual details of the complaint what you can see is that in July 2013 so we're talking mid baseball season (last season) the rules were:

Pinnacle:

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For grading purposes, all games must go 8.5 innings and be played to completion within 7 days of their start time for wagers to have action.

Wagers on games that are suspended or otherwise not finished on the day of game, but are finished within 7 days of their start time, have action and will be graded based on the completed game score.

BetCris:

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Game must go 8.5 or more innings and be concluded with a winner determined.

Any game or event must be played to its conclusion within 7 days in order to have action on full game props. Wagers on games that are suspended on the day of the game but played to conclusion within 7 days of the start time have action and will be graded based on the completed game score.

So both Pinnacle and Bookmaker were using a rule other than the one you consider universal. Fwiw Tipico (largest in turkey) also has the same rule. Pinnacle and Bookmaker have changed their rules multiple times. It appears no one can decide how they want to handle those. Pinnacle has done it (changes) and stuck to what the rules were at the time bets were placed. Bookmaker seems to have changed them twice both in the middle dispute (second accusation of that). Now to be clear perhaps they settled the dispute and changed it. I don't know (this here isn't to accuse them - though was at bare minimum some low level support issues were had).

The point I'm trying to make is perhaps directbet has some to learn about bookmaking and rules, perhaps you as well in looking at rules and judging books off them. The baseball rule is a) fair, b) has been used at other sites - I mean was even the case at Pinnacle and Bookmaker - two large limit outs. This one is a pass. Yes DirectBet's version is the less common rule, but they are not alone. There are dozens of places action continues till when the game resumes. On that one I think you two should kiss and make up Smiley


I'm not sure when Pinny changed but they now grade same day. I'll take your word for the time frame on CRIS/Bookmaker. Currently, Pinny, Greek, 5Dimes, Bookmaker (just changed), Vegas and all other books that I know of in CR grade same day for the regular season. The rules are different during the playoffs.

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Pinnacle Sports does not recognize postponed games, protests or overturned decisions for wagering purposes. As long as the event is played on the schedule day, all bets have action
http://www.pinnaclesports.com/help/betting-rules
2732  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: September 09, 2014, 10:30:20 AM
Up until yesterday. Bookmaker's rules this season stated they held the bets for 7 days. They are in Costa Rica, no?

And

the online world is much bigger than Costa Rica and Vegas who are actually relatively small players in the grand scheme.

And

as long as the rule is consistent that one is fair.
Bookmaker is in CR. I didn't realize that the change was recent.

I defer to Europe and Asia for soccer but MLB is an American market and it would be nice if the bitcoin books conformed to the same rules. Scalpers would like it too.
2733  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: September 09, 2014, 10:16:37 AM
I'm not sure their rule but some books keep changing the suspended game rule on the fly. About a year ago there was a dispute with Bookmaker.eu because the first time this happened in a while they changed their rules specific to that game. In this case the bets carried over to the next day but wasn't what the rules said would happen. Then later they changed the rule again. It was a very valid complaint but SBR banned the poster and deleted the thread.  At the time was "don't worry it will work out for you next time". Well Bookmaker has altered their rules several times since and neither here nor there. Well this past week there was a game that restarted the next day. When the bet was made, till after it settled, till the player requested to talk to managers multiple times, Bookmakers rules clearly said that if the game is scheduled to resume within 7 days the bets stand (so they keep the bet pending up to 7 days if known will be replayed). This was shown both on their live wager rules and on their main baseball rules. A player has a dispute over a large sum. Guess what happens? Bookmaker alters the rule page and adds word playoffs to imply this only applies to playoff games. That is NOT how the rule read. By what was published on their website they owe a large payout.

Anyways Pinnacle has also had different rules at different times but were fair. Didn't change them after the fact. So point is, yes some sites do or had held bets up to 7 days (let alone 3) so that is far from universal. Secondly, bonus points to a site that is consistent with their rules on how that is handled as it is not standard. (it is a big world out there and bitcoin is global - nothing wrong with that baseball rule, and thus is not an issue.

The dead heat rule however is so unorthodox and something I never heard of before. It is also not fair. It doesn't just net out. The reason is because the push probabilities held are not equal on each side. It adds a new dynamic to handicapping where people always just cap push+win together. It's not one of those oh wow I didn't know okay next time I know and it was fair. Unless this is bold in red and a way players completely understand, I would call that one bordering on being a dishonest attempt to profit by including unorthodox rules. It is their business and they are free to do as they like, but would certainly view them negatively for doing that.


I found the dead heat rule interesting too since it adds value to the dog. The push percentage is approximately 6% on NBA quarters.

I agree with most of what you have said except for the suspended rule in baseball. That rule is now universal with Vegas books and books in Costa Rica.


2734  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: September 09, 2014, 09:41:33 AM
Looks like Webetcoins has now paid all players.

I spoke too soon. Iram3130 is posting that everyone has not been paid yet.
2735  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: September 09, 2014, 09:22:51 AM
The odds closed -137 at ToteSport and BetFred (the online division of the 4th and 5th largest UK brick and mortars). It closed at -133 at Tipico (largest servicing turkey). At William Hill (largest in UK, Largest in USA) it was -137 hours before the match but closed -125. There was for sure better out there, a lot better. But Pinnacle had a 6 cent line on this match (-103 base) other bookies operate with vig. The odds were valid and similar to what many other sources had, and even better than those closers at major books I mentioned. The bet is valid. The terms are valid, the odds are correct. Not sure the issue here?


The odds were fine from what you posted. DirectBet is cloning lines from an exchange and adding lots of juice. That's why his hold is all over the place and they list lots of bets as "negotiate". When there are no offers at the exchange, it's "negotiate" at DirectBet.

Then he's mixing up the rules of an exchange with that of a sportsbook. Betfair had Nishikori as a future that was never taken down. As an individual game with a sportsbook where the betting is pregame and not "live betting", they have to list both players along with a date.

I think we all know the intent of the bet so that's not a big deal if the player agrees. DirectBet has a lot of cleaning up to do with their rules and tickets if they are working as a sportsbook.

No sportsbook takes a cut on pushes in the UFC and NBA quarters and halves. No sportsbook should have a 3 day rule in baseball during the regular season. Games are always settled same day even if suspended.



2736  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: September 09, 2014, 06:47:23 AM
Cloudbet are betting live on all NFL games this season. Check us out!


So now we have the below for live NFL. Anyone else?

Anonibet
Betcoinsports
BetVIP
Casinobitcoin
Cloudbet
2737  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: September 09, 2014, 06:01:16 AM
A poster that goes by cornchip posted this

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With those odds the bet makes no sense.

A pre-tourney No Djokovic would mean player has to win or finish 2nd if Djok wins. But, that's pretty fked up for a tennis tourney with Nishikori on the same side of the draw. He can't finish 2nd to Djok, so any cut odds for eliminating Djok from the field is just a theft for guys on his side.

The odds were a bad price for the final today (closed -110 at pinny). I'm guessing something got fked up and it was a price for todays match just entered into the wrong event?
2738  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: September 09, 2014, 05:52:57 AM
Of course it won't be refunded. The bet was lost fairly.
You're saying that the odds were low? It was his own choice to make this bet.
I agree that the intent would make the player a loser. The odds were bad but I also agree that's irrelevant. It's just that all other sportsbooks refund money on improper tickets. DirectBet doesn't abide by universal rules. It's similar to players losing some money on ties. This only happens at DirectBet. It will be interesting to hear their new rule on this one. At least it will clear it up for the future.
2739  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.... on: September 09, 2014, 05:34:07 AM
Looks like Webetcoins has now paid all players.
2740  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – #1 LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. No Accounts. Instant Payouts. on: September 09, 2014, 04:31:09 AM
Those odds are really screwed up and his money should be returned. The bet was placed 8/25. This meant that Nishikori has to finish 1st. Or he can finish 2nd if Djokovic wins the tourney. Because Nishikori and Djokovic were on the same side of the draw, it was impossible for them to be 1 and 2. Those odds, as well as the bet, make absolutely no sense. -131 to win the tourney and he had to beat Djokovic along the way to the finals.



No, look up the transaction...from blockchain transaction of the bet: Received Time 2014-09-08 20:57:56  

He actually sent in the bet within seconds of the finals starting (couple days after Djokovic was already knocked out).





Whew. Glad we're all on the same page now.
Then the ticket is written incorrectly and the money should be refunded. The ticket doesn't list the name of the second player.

It's written up as future with a start date of 8/25  to win the open w/o Djokovic. It's cut and dry unless DirectBet is going to make up another rule.

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Event : Mens Tournament

Start Time : 08/25/2014 10:00

Competition : US Open 2014

Bet Type : Winner W/O Djokovic

Your Selection : Kei Nishikori @ -131.6 or better
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You are way off base tonight. It's written as the U.S. Open began on 8-25.
Every ticket for these types of events (if you remember the Wolrd Cup), every single one lists the opening day of the event.

You were caught being wrong. I posted the blockchain timestamp. You're better off leaving while you're way behind.

 Obviously the ticket was meant for the last match, even though -131 was terrible (closed -110 at other books), but intent has nothing to do with an improper ticket. Every other book would refund the bet. Djokovic should not have been listed. The ticket was written as a futures bet.
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