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281  Economy / Economics / Re: Washington’s $210 Trillion Deficit on: March 14, 2015, 08:49:30 AM
Ah. Good news.  Smiley

According to Kotlikoff (the economist interviewed here), the fiscal gap was $222 trillion in 2012.  It follows that the US is $12 trillion (42 billion bitcoins) better off than it was just a couple of years ago.  Nice job guys!

By the by: the term is "fiscal gap", not "deficit".  The fiscal gap is a measure of how broke the government is whereas the deficit is simply how much it's pissing away each year.  "Washington's $210 trillion deficit" is just plain wrong.
282  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: is this bad or good news? on: March 14, 2015, 08:09:23 AM
If the FED do create a crypto-currency then it will almost certainly...
  • be managed with reference to a neo-Keynesian monetary policy.
  • have anti-money laundering and know-your-customer regulations built right into the protocol.
  • be intimately linked to the tax system to help catch "tax cheats".

Basically, it would be a less efficient, much less widely-used, and far less private version of the US dollar, a currency that Bitcoin has been competing with favourably for years.
283  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I wish to put a 5 mb file and preserve it on the blockchain, I will also pay. on: March 12, 2015, 09:12:59 AM
A quick look at the examples on coingraffiti.info shows a rate of about 10 mills per kilobyte (0.01 BTC/kB) for the larger, block-like messages so you should be able to embed your file into the blockchain in chunks for about 50 BTC.  I don't know how efficient coingraffiti is but I'd guess that an equivalent service using OP_RETURN would be cheaper.
284  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Changing the block reward reduction to happen per block rather than one day on: March 12, 2015, 04:25:12 AM
After the block reward reduction the value of all mining gear would be drastically reduced.  Therefor soon after this singular event it would make it a lot cheaper for a potential attacker to buy and/or rent mining equipment to mount an attack.

Do you believe that the market value of any given mining machine will drop sharply at the moment of the halving?
285  Economy / Economics / Re: why do people agree to pay taxes? on: March 11, 2015, 08:55:02 PM
inb4 "not mature enough to make choice":  Duh.  Look at the securities sub of this forum and tell me your libertardian buddies are mature enough to go potty on their own.

The cornerstone in any defense of authoritarian thinking is that a relatively wise person has a natural right to make decisions unilaterally on behalf of the fools about him.

The key problem with this line of reasoning is that wisdom and foolishness are ultimately decided subjectively.  It is very possible to have two humans, each assessing themselves to be wiser (or as you say "more mature") than the other.

Only a fool can believe himself to be sufficiently wise that he may rightly make decisions for others.

None that believe in ruling are fit to rule.
286  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Did Satoshi make any comments about the initial 'imbalance' of Bitcoin wealth? on: March 09, 2015, 08:06:06 AM
he was quite happy with it as he told early members that they would all be rich
Source?

sorry i don't bookmark alot on mobile.  but as an example see above.
"So in other words, "the early adopter finds the worm" in this system"

Those were the words of one Sepp Hasslberger, not Satoshi.
287  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Did Satoshi make any comments about the initial 'imbalance' of Bitcoin wealth? on: March 09, 2015, 07:05:31 AM
From my POV, Daniel has taken the most risk, because he haid to invest the most (by miles).

But has not Amy taken on as much risk as Wilson and Daniel combined?  Does whether or not she mentally sold her 20 000 bitcoins to herself 6 months ago change anything?

Do you debate this additive property or do you claim perhaps that Wilson has taken on negative risk?  Or something else entirely?


But if Daniel inherited the money that he used to buy the bitcoins, does that mean his risk is lower? After all, the bitcoin effectively cost him nothing.

Good point.  Perhaps "easy come, easy go" plays a part in this common disagreement.  Perhaps there's a feeling that Amy's 20 000 bitcoins weren't truly earned.
288  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will bitcoin surpass all previous tests of probability? on: March 09, 2015, 06:39:12 AM
I'm not endorsing that but along those lines lets say instead of humans being able to influence probability, that at some extreme human tests of probability break down.  Not because of psychokinesis or anything like that but because of some unknown cosmic law. Hypothetically then will bitcoin difficulty test this beyond any previous measure?

As a wild guess I would think the calculations done at the Large Hadron Collider may be the greatest tests of extreme theoretical probability to date.

Breaking probability itself through experiment is like trying to use a hammer to hit the very same hammer.  The logic which is used to connect the results of experiments to the assumptions of a hypothesis is, in part, probability.

The idea that something purely logical can be influenced by something physical ("some unknown cosmic law") is so far outside the box I'm having difficulty describing an approximate answer (just as you are having difficulty formulating an exact question).  Fortunately for us, a fine wordsmith has already given this topic some attention.  Look up "Infinite Improbability Drive" and "Bistromathematics".
289  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Did Satoshi make any comments about the initial 'imbalance' of Bitcoin wealth? on: March 09, 2015, 04:02:54 AM
What kind of risk did the folks that mined tens of thousands of coins in the early days with CPU mining take?

Initially, they risked basically nothing.  The investment of time, effort, and electricity was done out of curiosity and/or to support a cool little project.  The bitcoins themselves were practically valueless.

However, an early user that held a stack of bitcoins for many years has absorbed a huge amount of investor risk.

Consider:
Amy, Wilson, and Daniel are bitcoiners:
  • Amy mined 20 000 bitcoins in 2009 and held them until today.
  • Wilson mined 20 000 bitcoins in 2009 and sold them 6 months ago.
  • Daniel bought 20 000 bitcoins in the market 6 months ago and held them until today.

Which of Amy, Wilson, and Daniel has taken on the most risk?
290  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Did Satoshi make any comments about the initial 'imbalance' of Bitcoin wealth? on: March 07, 2015, 06:37:11 AM
I'll be alive 50 years from now to see how it all turns out (barring an early grave from cancer, heart attack, bear attack, etc) , so the future implications of this technology concern me greatly and I am extremely worried about the severity of unequal distribution.

Curious.  Are you suggesting that if you had a terminal illness and knew you would perish in short order that you would not worry about future wealth inequality?  Why does your belief that you'll be alive long from now affect how you feel right now about the future relative prosperity of others?
291  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Did Satoshi make any comments about the initial 'imbalance' of Bitcoin wealth? on: March 07, 2015, 06:25:06 AM
This thread is not intended to bash (or spread fear about) the next generation of elite humans who will (probably) attain staggering wealth with their pile of Bitcoins:
Did Satoshi make public comments about the initial distribution of Bitcoins? I am curious if he addressed the subject, and I know we have some great historians and "Satoshi experts" around here. Also, If there are any quotes, please feel free to discuss the content.

Edit: To be more specific:
I'm not asking if Satoshi gave technical mining tips.
Did he discuss the fact that some early users would become "elite" with large amounts of Bitcoins and the affects that could have later?

Not to my knowledge.  It seems to me that he intentionally avoided the subject.  The closest example I have is:

We should have a gentleman's agreement to postpone the GPU arms race as long as we can for the good of the network.  It's much easer to get new users up to speed if they don't have to worry about GPU drivers and compatibility.  It's nice how anyone with just a CPU can compete fairly equally right now.

As he was defending his newly published whitepaper to a critical James Donald and a supporting Hal Finney, Satoshi responded to many comments but chose to ignore this comment from Hal on 2009-01-11:
Quote from: Hal Finney
As an amusing thought experiment, imagine that Bitcoin is successful and
becomes the dominant payment system in use throughout the world.  Then the
total value of the currency should be equal to the total value of all
the wealth in the world. Current estimates of total worldwide household
wealth that I have found range from $100 trillion to $300 trillion. With
20 million coins, that gives each coin a value of about $10 million.

So the possibility of generating coins today with a few cents of compute
time may be quite a good bet, with a payoff of something like 100 million
to 1! Even if the odds of Bitcoin succeeding to this degree are slim,
are they really 100 million to one against? Something to think about...
292  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is the expected waiting time for a block always 10 min? on: March 06, 2015, 07:44:32 PM
I assume througout that there is no problem with mining and I ignore the subtleties of difficulty changes throughout.

Ex: I go to blockchain.info and see that the last block was created 60min ago. I think "oh, how unlucky the miners have been, but that's good, then they should find a new block any second now."
Is that correct, or should I expect the average time until a new block is 10min no matter how long ago the last block was created?

No, this is not correct.  If you see that the last block was created 60 mins ago then the expected waiting time until the next block is 10 minutes and the expected length of time between the current block and the next block is 70 mins.

If blocks are solved every 10 minutes on average, then shouldn't the average answer to the question "How long do I need to wait until the next block is solved?" be 5 minutes?

Good question.  You've stumbled into a probability paradox.

Consider also that the block-generating process looks exactly the same with time reversed.  If you select points in time uniformly (between 2010-01-01 and 2012-12-31 say) you'll find that the next block is, on average, 10 minutes into the future just as you find that the previous block is, on average, 10 minutes into the past.  You'll find that the average time interval between the previous and next blocks is indeed 20 minutes!

In this case the marks aren't evenly spaced, but I have trouble seeing why that matters over a long timespan since the intervals average out to once per 10 minutes.

Resolving the paradox:
Selecting a block at random is different to selecting a point in time at random.  When selecting a point in time at random you're more likely to land between blocks which are far apart than blocks which are close together.  Your averages are then biased towards longer waiting times.
293  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why was 21 million coins chose as the total number of bitcoins? on: March 03, 2015, 06:55:42 PM
In a slightly earlier version of Satoshi's code (pre-genesis) the limit was 20 million bitcoins.  Blocks were set to arrive every 15 minutes with an initial subsidy of 100 BTC set to halve every 100`000 blocks (about 2 years and 10 months).

Certainly there was some thought put into the magnitude of the limit.  While Satoshi had 63-bits of space to play with (using signed 64-bit integers at the time) it seems possible that he intentionally confined bitcoin amounts to well within 53-bits so that amounts could be handled comfortably by the IEEE 754 binary64 datatype (potentially useful for JSON-RPC).

What we can be reasonably sure of is that the particular figure of 21 million arose simply as part of some last-minute tweaking and carries no deeper meaning.
294  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Where's Satoshi? The Ultimate Bitcoin Insider Reference Contest - Atlanta on: March 02, 2015, 11:30:34 PM
Cool!

With a first glance I only see about 30.  I wonder what "1025" references or what the blue porcupine represents.
295  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: BitcoinAverage.com - bitcoin price index on: March 01, 2015, 06:13:01 PM
Why is it that Bitcoin Average registers a large spike on the USD, EUR, and CNY average charts just past midnight on the 27th of February where non of the exchanges that deal in these currencies have one?  Granted, there is a huge sudden rise just after 3am on this date, a rise all the major exchanges and Bitcoin Average agree upon, but the exchanges all report a lack of excitement at midnight.
296  Economy / Economics / Re: why do people agree to pay taxes? on: February 23, 2015, 11:39:51 PM
you people are crazy , and i dont know what countries you live in , but in my country we pay it so that we can have free hospitals , free schools , free roads. basically everything that needs to be there for everyone.

Good.  When everyone has a positive reason to fund their government there is no need to force people to pay taxes.  Your country can make its taxes optional, effectively making them "suggested donations", and thereby eliminate some unnecessary bureaucracy.
297  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: A Bitcoin Security Paradox? on: February 22, 2015, 09:24:51 AM
Multisig should be avoided to prevent the risk that any one signature authority is lost (for any reason), preventing access to the account.

This is why N-of-N multisig should be avoided.

Quote
For example, as a best practice I might recommend using a multisig account requiring 3 approvals/passwords. Then store Password A on my computer with backups on DVD and my brother's computer in another state. Password B is on my cell phone, with backups in my wife's cell phone and a secured cloud storage account. And Password C is on a paper certificate in a safe in my house, with hardcopies with my mother's house in a 3rd state and a safe deposit box.

Multisig works on both fronts.  You can, for example, arrange for there to be three passwords protecting funds such that any one password is useless but any two passwords give access.  This is called 2-of-3 multisig and is more common than the 3-of-3 multisig you describe above.

This can be done for any integers M and N with 1 <= M <= N.  Larger values of N are more complex.  When M is far from 1, theft is unlikely.  When M is far from N, loss is unlikely.
298  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin For Flight Tickets? on: February 22, 2015, 08:48:15 AM
Its now possible!

It's been possible for coming up to 2 years.

I've successfully used BTCTrip twice.  It's built up a decent reputation in this time.  Even Satoshi's given a testimonial!
299  Economy / Economics / Re: why do people agree to pay taxes? on: February 21, 2015, 09:42:43 PM
So many overly thought replies in this thread.

Most 'sane' individuals agree to pay taxes to avoid having their anuses ripped in prison from tax evasion.  No more, no less.

Kind of like how most sane individuals choose to not commit crimes.

Though I agree with the first part of your post (that people pay taxes to avoid having their anuses overstretched), the second part is far from reality. The majority of population don't commit crimes since humans are social beings, and bringing damage to another human is obviously antisocial, thus being against human nature.

A person choosing to pay taxes out of fear is precisely a person choosing not to commit the crime of tax evasion out of fear.

Far from being an isolated example, there are many laws which terrorise* the public into modified behaviour, laws which do not mirror what most consider good social behaviour, laws which do not directly concern "bringing damage to another human".  "crime" and "wrongdoing" are quite distinct notions.  "legality" and "morality" are poles apart.

*The word "terrorise" sounds loaded but I honestly just needed a verb to capture "force behaviour using the threat of violence" and I'm trying to use "coerce" less these days.
300  Bitcoin / Armory / Re: [ANN] Armory 0.93 Official Release on: February 21, 2015, 07:11:25 PM
Great work as always.  I particularly appreciate the highly accessible source code (last night, GnuPG's source made me a very sad panda).

Any thoughts on BIP0039?  I'm not so worried as I've written the functionality I desire myself; I'm just curious.
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