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1081  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bears all of the world - unite !!! on: October 22, 2011, 07:13:16 PM
Aye.

The bulls have broken the line and the bears have fallen back to regroup.  The bears now have the advantage of terrain and have already established a serious fortification at $3.5.  Meanwhile, the bulls have broken the line but made little progress, their numbers are thin and are vulnerable to counter-attack!  Unless reinforcements arrive soon the bears will fall upon their enemies and force them back to the $2 zone!

Or maybe I'm just getting carried away. Wink
1082  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bears all of the world - unite !!! on: October 22, 2011, 04:12:22 PM
The bears have had a good crack at the $2 wall but failed to breach it.  After building strength, the bulls have chared headlong at the $3 wall but the bears are holding their ground.

Which wall will fall first?  Exciting stuff!
1083  Economy / Speculation / Re: over $3! almost 50% gain in 72 hours! on: October 22, 2011, 04:02:21 PM
No srsly there is correction from this rally coming up and who knows what it's gonna do from there....

Normally yes, there would be a correction to a rally.  But in this case the rally itself is arguably nothing more than a correction to the downward trend we've experienced over the last 3 months.  I wouldn't care to guess where the price will go from here.
1084  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [44 GH][0%][Merged Mining] SIMPLECOIN.US [20BTC+500NMC Promo][Prop/PPLNS/SMPPS] on: October 22, 2011, 03:28:41 PM
I'm glad to see that you recovered swiftly from the hack.

I'm particularly happy to see that, since coming back online, the simplecoin.us PPLNS pool has been experiencing normal levels of luck.  I will be watching the stats closely and if this pool can maintain a stable solid uptime and average luck over the next two weeks then I may rejoin.

Much respect to the true simplecoin.us supporters such as RyNinDaCleM and the Simpson's guy for sticking with this pool in its time of need, may you benefit well from the promotions!
1085  Economy / Speculation / Re: I am predicting a spike above $3 on: October 22, 2011, 03:05:54 PM
i submit that any merchant who believes in Bitcoin, especially if he has speculative juices in him, accept Bitcoin in payment hand over fist to accumulate as many as possible now w/o expending USD's before the true equilibrium value of Bitcoin is achieved, which IMO is WAY higher than what it is today.  thats my opinion.

Spoken like a true gambler. A merchant has to pay for his stuff in $/EURO/Yen whatever. Gambling on the rise of "foreign" currencies is not what a merchant does, its what a speculator does. A merchant will want to protect himself from currency swings through hedging, even for swings as minor as what have between dollar and euro's etc. The volatility of bitcoin makes that a complete joke.

Agreed.  One cannot expect all merchants to also be speculators/gamblers.  This is very much like expecting all miners to mine solo.  Some merchants will only use Bitcoin if they are able to enjoy its benefits without taking on the risks.

However, speculators and traders colluding to create an artifical stable Bitcoin price is not a solution; this would be akin to building a house upon sand.  Instead, Bitcoin has to go through this phase of wild speculation where some win big and others lose big.  This will kill off the day traders who don't know what they are doing and leave those that profit and create drag on the price.  This process will take a long time but it is an essential step toward a healthy kind of stability.  I believe it is unlikely that a level of stability that is acceptable to most merchants can be reached in the next 10 years and so I expect a series of competing companies offering options to merchants (basically taking the sting of market volatility out of the equation for a fee) will arise.

Of course, this all assumes that Bitcoin manages to dodge various devastating scenarios such as being hacked past the point of recovery or being declared illegal to trade in most countries.
1086  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: At what pricepoint is bitcoin dead? on: October 19, 2011, 12:25:43 AM
Shit, Bitcoin is dead, down to 2.3 dollars, jesus, what a waste of a cool system.

Funny, the farther the price goes down, the more excited I get.
And I just purchased a whole bunch.
And my optimism in Bitcoin has never been brighter.
The price needed to come down to be sustainable.
I have another order at $2
A much bigger order at $1.5
And all my bitcoin investing money goes in at $1.00

I don't know why but I get excited by this too.  The excitement is not unlike when Bitcoin went over $8/BTC and, unbelievably, kept climbing!

I question the logic of using the price points of $2/BTC, $1.5/BTC, and $1/BTC though.  I expect many people will have bids at these round rates.  Consequently it might be wise to use $2.01/BTC, $1.51/BTC, and $1.01/BTC (paying a tiny bit more to be at the front of the queue).

Best of luck to those of you that believe Bitcoin has a future and are willing to start buying coins.  I highly doubt we'll make it down to early adopter money (I bought most of my coins at $0.02-$0.04 and I still don't really feel like an early adopter).
1087  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [15 GH/s] yourbtc.net - DGM - Loyality Bonus - 0% Fee - API - Full Decimal on: October 18, 2011, 10:30:41 AM
Exactly, thats the way it works at the moment. You get a propotional peace of cake at the end of month. Everyday single share which was submitted this month will count.

Please note, thats a workaround, to offer a replacement for the currently missing merged mining feature.
The final goal is to include payout for merged mining rewards and of course transaction fees on found block into the double geometric method.

The reason I ask is that my estimated loyalty bonus is not increasing as quickly as my estimated payout.  I was simply after the formulae used to arrive at these two figures.

Thanks.
1088  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [190 GH][0%][Merged Mining] SIMPLECOIN.US [20BTC+500NMC Promo][Prop/PPLNS/SMPPS] on: October 18, 2011, 10:23:22 AM
I haven't mined at this pool for 24 hours now but I still have unconfirmed namecoins.  Could this have something to do with block 21,010 (or 21,011) listed in the PPLNS previous blocks which has 0 confirms?  Is this the cause of the unconfirmed namecoins on Lobomir's account too?

Have you had any thoughts on a possible cause for the crazy luck at this pool yet?  What happend for example between 22,391 and 22,645 on the PPLNS pool?
1089  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [15 GH/s] yourbtc.net - DGM - Loyality Bonus - 0% Fee - API - Full Decimal on: October 18, 2011, 01:10:47 AM
May I ask how the "estimated loyalty bonus" is calculated?  Should I expect my estimated loyalty bonus to increase as I add more shares to my total for the month?
1090  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Bandwidth of a Pool on: October 16, 2011, 10:20:22 PM
Exactly that is the point however when a block changes a miner will have "wasted" any hashes being worked.

Maybe my wording is unclear but since hashes are an artificial measurement there is some "loss" which means a lower throughput miner takes MORE shares on average to achieve the same number of shares as higher throughput average.

This is because the pool only sees work in "full share" steps.  If shares were smaller it would be less of an effect and if shares were larger it would be more of an effect.

Currently a 400MH GPU outperforms 2x 200MH GPU in terms of shares earned by ~3% and outperforms 4x 100MH GPU by about 5%.  I know because I experimented by downclocking GPU to simulate slower GPU and running them for nearly a week to compare shares vs hashrate.

With higher difficulty this effect will be increased.

When hashing (assuming a fixed hashing rate) the expected time to find a share can be approximately modelled by an exponential distribution.  This distribution has a "lack of memory" property.  This means that the expected time until the next share is found is independent of past events.  To say that one has lost progress towards a share is to suggest that it is possible to make progress towards a share; this is simply not compatible with the loss of memory property.  A miner can no more make progress towards finding a share than a pool can make progress towards finding a block.

One thing which can cause the illusion of partial shares at the end of a round is frequently seeing rejects at the very beginning or end of a round.  This is generally caused by setting high aggression.
1091  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Bandwidth of a Pool on: October 16, 2011, 09:30:30 PM
The reality is the miner technically has completed some fraction of shares which are lost in the block change.

There is no such thing as a partially completed share.
1092  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [15 GH/s] yourbtc.net - DGM - Loyality Bonus - 0% Fee - API - Full Decimal on: October 16, 2011, 08:26:40 PM
I've just discovered that I have the same problem with "en.wikipedia.org" so I started hunting for other bad sites.  Most sites I tried worked fine, including: "www.google.com", "slashdot.org", "www.gamefaqs.com", "www.bbc.co.uk".  I found that "www.ebay.co.uk" and "senseis.xmp.net" were also problematic so your site is not alone.  I know that networking problems are most commonly a computer settings, router, or modem problem, but I think at this point I suspect my ISP has screwed up.

Thanks for your help anyway, hopefully I'll resolve this issue soon and be back with you.

EDIT:  Yes, my ISP (Virgin Media, UK) is having major problems.  The problems are nationwide too!  I've set up a quick proxy for browsing but will wait until things are back to normal rejoining this pool.  I'm sorry if I caused you much trouble and thank you for the help.
1093  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [15 GH/s] yourbtc.net - DGM - Loyality Bonus - 0% Fee - API - Full Decimal on: October 16, 2011, 06:30:21 PM
Got the same result when sending a ping to your machine from my server. I can reach you without a problem from my connection @home.

I'am afraid, i can't offer a solution until tomorrow. My server hosting company has to investigate this issue.

If you have a dynamic ip adress, try to reconnect your internet to get a new ip.

It's possible that my ISP gave me a new ip address in the night and that simply asking for a new one (keeping the modem off for long enough) would get things working again.  However, it does seem strange that yourbtc.net can only handle certain ip addresses.

I'm using another pool at the moment but I'll be back when I can get onto yourbtc.net without trickery.
1094  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [15 GH/s] yourbtc.net - DGM - Loyality Bonus - 0% Fee - API - Full Decimal on: October 16, 2011, 03:50:42 PM
I'm not currently able to connect to the pool (yourbtc.net:8999, s15747378.onlinehome-server.info:8999) or the site (either http or https), nor do I get a response when pinging yourbtc.net.  Any idea on the cause?  Is this a common problem?


Hi teukon,

sounds like a routing problem. Server and all services are up and running.

Could you try to connect your miner to 87.106.84.25:8999 as a workaround?

If you are on irc you find me on #yourbtc / irc.freenode.net to figure this out.

Best regards,

Chris

No joy.  Substituting 87.106.84.25 for yourbtc.net make no difference to site access, pool access, or ping.  Everything looks dead.  I'm fully able to use pretty much any other site.  Furthermore, the site and pool were working fine for me when I signed up and I got in about 12 hours of good mining.

I'm afraid I'm not on irc.

Thanks for the help.

EDIT: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/yourbtc.net says the site is fine.  Also, I'm able to ssh into a machine with a different ip address and ping yourbtc.net.  I just can't ping it from any of the machines behind my router/modem/ip address.  I've change no router or network settings in the last 12 hours that I'm aware of.

My ip address is 86.30.188.162 if that's of any help.
1095  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [15 GH/s] yourbtc.net - DGM - Loyality Bonus - 0% Fee - API - Full Decimal on: October 16, 2011, 03:04:00 PM
I'm not currently able to connect to the pool (yourbtc.net:8999, s15747378.onlinehome-server.info:8999) or the site (either http or https), nor do I get a response when pinging yourbtc.net.  Any idea on the cause?  Is this a common problem?
1096  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Income bonus for using merged mining: 30.64% (Sunday, 10:55 UTC) on: October 16, 2011, 11:01:31 AM
The Namecoin difficulty has just risen back up to 94`000 and so the income bonus of merged mining has dropped down to only 30%.  The market value of NMC/BTC seems to be holding a I guess this mining bonus will hold for the next 10 days or so.
1097  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: 'How to hop 7' posted - 5 btc competition still on. on: October 16, 2011, 02:15:21 AM
But the number of snake eyes in N throws still follows a Poisson distribution. The number of throws to result in one snake eye follows a binomial distribution.

I'm confused here.  I think the number of snake eyes in N throws follows a binomial distribution and the number of throws to result in one snake eye follows a geometric distribution.  Both of these distributions are built on the underlying base of independent identically distributed Bernoulli trials.  The Poisson distribution provides an approximation for the binomial distribution when n is large and p is small (and hence is an excellent choice in practice for handling bitcoin mining).

Yes, from what I understand atm, you couldn't show the start/finish boundary problem without summing that way. I was assuming, as you say, as many games in the past and the future as necessary to make the start and finish of a series of games irrelevant and tbh hadn't I considered the problem at all.

Ok.  I only brought it up because the assumption of many games in the past and future was not made in the question and did affect the answer.

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The interesting bit is in seeing why the expected value of a throw is $1.  If someone cannot see that it really is $1 then I doubt using words like "binomial" and "distribution" won't help.

Well, no, but the conversation might interest people enough to do their own reading. I find that unless very well crafted, intuitive explanations can lead readers astray since the writer has to assume *some* level of knowledge on the part of the reader. If you assume to too little knowledge the reader gets bored and assume too much knowledge and the reader makes incorrect intuitive leaps. I can't find that happy medium so I try to make the math as simple as possible to follow.

I think you are wiser than I.

Well, that was great! Thanks for persevering teukon. I'm sure I wasn't the only one to find that interesting.

Comp ends in only 3 days. Any other entrants?

You're welcome.  I was briefly interested in spending some time (a full day) looking at all the reward systems mathematically, perhaps inventing one or two of my own in the process.  I discovered however that a decent body of work on this subject already exists.

Good luck with your competition!
1098  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [70 GH][0%][Merged Mining] SIMPLECOIN.US [10BTC+500NMC Promo][Prop/PPLNS/SMPPS] on: October 15, 2011, 08:59:23 PM
The returning getwork hashes are passed to both nmc & btc clients. Either or both can find a block. To describe the whole process would be very lengthy.

Hmm...  It seems I'll have to read up on that at some point, thanks.

This doesn't solve the matter of the stats though.  Either there are lots of missing blocks on the stats page or something is broken.  Compare the list of recent blocks for the PPLNS pool here with with, for example, the list of recent blocks for masterpool.eu.  In the last 24 hours we've had only 8 blocks and they've had 61.  This simply cannot be explained by luck or the difference in hashing power (they've had about 140% more hashing power than us for this period).



I don't know what to tell you.... except to check out the new transaction log. It's broken down to the last 100 transactions for each currency. It's all there, and in a much more readable format this time.

http://simplecoin.us/transactionlog.php


As for possible "missed" blocks, that's only if the namecoin client missed them. The balance is perfect for user balances and promotions, an extra 50 NMC would stick out like a sore thumb.

If you like, I'll also post the Wallet balance, beside overall user balances & promotional balances. (Although, I'm not thrilled about announcing wallet info)


Thanks for the transaction log, I'll take a look.  To be honest I very much doubt the problem is with transactions and I'm sure there is nothing nefarious going on.  All I'm saying is that, statistically, something is broken, whether that's the stats or something more serious.  It is not just a case of experiencing incredibly bad luck, I am able to predict incredibly bad luck.

For now I've moved my miners to another pool to protect my own interests but I'll look at the transaction log to see if I can find any clues as to what is wrong here.  I'll keep an eye on this thread.
1099  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [15 GH/s] yourbtc.net - DGM - Loyality Bonus - 0% Fee - API - Full Decimal on: October 15, 2011, 05:59:52 PM
Hi,

I've recently run into difficulties with my main pool and am in the market for a new one (I have 720 MH/s).  I thought I'd start here (for the DGM of course).

I was also thrown by the line
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[your payout] = [Loyality Bonus pool balance] / [all monthly valid shares] * [your monthly valid shares]
and although not as bad as the proportional reward system (due to the fixed round length of one month) it is definitely rather ugly.  I'm glad to see that this issue has already been raised.

I have many thoughts and questions but I'll keep them to myself for now, read around a bit more, and see how things go.
1100  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [70 GH][0%][Merged Mining] SIMPLECOIN.US [10BTC+500NMC Promo][Prop/PPLNS/SMPPS] on: October 15, 2011, 05:14:47 PM
The returning getwork hashes are passed to both nmc & btc clients. Either or both can find a block. To describe the whole process would be very lengthy.

Hmm...  It seems I'll have to read up on that at some point, thanks.

This doesn't solve the matter of the stats though.  Either there are lots of missing blocks on the stats page or something is broken.  Compare the list of recent blocks for the PPLNS pool here with with, for example, the list of recent blocks for masterpool.eu.  In the last 24 hours we've had only 8 blocks and they've had 61.  This simply cannot be explained by luck or the difference in hashing power (they've had about 140% more hashing power than us for this period).
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