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1261  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [180 GH/sec] MineCo.in - PPLNS 0% Mining on: August 20, 2011, 11:33:34 AM
Is there a plan to include a way to donate a percentage of my gains to the pool automatically?
1262  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [50GHs][0 Fees][PPLNS] SIMPLECOIN.US - Dedicated 8core Clustered Servers on: August 20, 2011, 10:22:23 AM
Just joined and added 4 ghash. Much thanks to Sirky to help make that possible.

I'm glad to see such serious miners joining this pool.

For me the PPLNS reward system is the primary reason for mining here but I'm also grateful for the new server and the various top-30 lists (which, for me, creates a sense of community).

May I ask why other people are joining this pool all of a sudden?
1263  Economy / Speculation / Re: Okay speculators, time to put your money where your mouth is. on: August 19, 2011, 09:47:18 PM
Were rooting for over 20  Cool

Heck, even I'd like to see a price surge over the next week!  Hopefully the BTC Conference in New york city will ignite a fantastic rally!  I simply believe that 20 USD before September is unlikely and am not afraid of a little gambling.
1264  Economy / Speculation / Re: RALLY! on: August 19, 2011, 09:38:58 PM
I bought at 11.50, but only 60btc

let's hope it doesn't go back to 5 ://///

lol, I too sold a few coins recently, but than "chickened out" and bought all of them back at a few pence lower price.


You really are quite deep in Bitcoin these days aren't you Vladimir.  Where we all speculate on BTC, you seem to speculate on GBP.  My hat goes off to you sir.
1265  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [50GHs][0 Fees][PPLNS] SIMPLECOIN.US - Dedicated 8core Clustered Servers on: August 19, 2011, 09:20:07 PM
I just tried the new phoenix/phatk/phatk2, I'm even getting better hashrates w/ cgminer now that phateus is on board.

Thanks for the tip, I'll look into it.

Sorry, I have the bad habit of editing my posts in a non-obvious way.
1266  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [50GHs][0 Fees][PPLNS] SIMPLECOIN.US - Dedicated 8core Clustered Servers on: August 19, 2011, 09:13:27 PM
I've put a 1 BTC bounty on the pident thread for inclusion of this pool so you may be contacted by the pident developer at some point.  Hopefully little or no work will be required on your part and the inclusion of this pool on pident will be a plus.

Also, congratulations on reaching 99% pool efficiency!


Thank you and Thank you!

1% stale pool-wide is pretty good. Now if everyone would use cgminer it would be 99.8% Tongue

Alas. Smiley

You'll be happy to know that my stales are down to about 0.12% (for the last 10000 shares) with phoenix 1.5 and phatk 2.2, so there is some hope for other popular mining software.  I doubt location makes much of a difference either; I'm in the UK.

A thought on this: I guess it would be pretty easy to add '[below average]' to the right of a users stale percentage whenever this is so.  This might be more annoying than anything else though so probably not a good idea.

Right now I'm interesting in promoting the pool and trying to bring it up to 90 Gh/s (about 1 block per day at the current difficulty).
1267  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: bitHopper: Python Pool Hopper Proxy on: August 19, 2011, 08:58:50 PM
@joulesbeef, @teukon,

A quick look at pident suggests that it is quite easy to tell when a certain pool has finished a block so I assume that the remaining problem is finding a pool which doesn't detect and ban pool-hopping behaviour.  Again, I know little about the existing practical situation and am speaking purely in terms of theory and mathematics.  I'm sure if I mined with a proportional pool I'd know more but I'm with simplecoin.us (which uses PPLNS) specifically so I don't have to worry about implementing pool hopping.

The "guess thing" you describe is a good idea when you have partial information.

All I meant to point out is that if one would like to pool hop with a big proportional pool and is having difficulty with the LP aspect then they can at least make some gains by using the information on the bitcoin network (if the pool is sufficiently large).

Check https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=33732.msg423533#msg423533

If that guy's math is right (there might be other variables to consider), teukon might not be too wrong by assuming deepbit most of the time. I think bitHopper is already doing better than that, though, and it is still improving... but I lack the numbers to back that up.

WRT using pident method... unless it improves, I would not use it alone. They report 36% accuracy in the score system! So, much better to flip a coin.

Yes, what he says seems solid to me.  Combining this with the fact that you don't lose anything from guessing deepbit incorrectly but you do gain something from guessing deepbit correctly means you can make significant gains.  Throw LP into the mix as the following post suggests and you have even higher gains.  Indeed, you could almost certainly use LP knowledge from all of the proportional pools together to improve your gains even further.

Honestly, 36% accuracy doesn't seem so bad given how many different pools there are.  I agree that if there were only two pools and every block came from one or the other then 36% is worse than flipping a coin.  Perhaps pident already makes use of the LP information from all of the pools to make their best guess.

I dislike this race to the bottom on hiding information.  It is reminiscent of copyright holders trying to prevent people from copying disks using all manner of trickery and obfuscation.  Hopefully you guys will be successful in overcoming the defence put up by proportional pools and make some BTC in the process.  Best of luck!
1268  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [50GHs][0 Fees][PPLNS] SIMPLECOIN.US - Dedicated 8core Clustered Servers on: August 19, 2011, 08:16:59 PM
I've put a 1 BTC bounty on the pident thread for inclusion of this pool so you may be contacted by the pident developer at some point.  Hopefully little or no work will be required on your part and the inclusion of this pool on pident will be a plus.

Also, congratulations on reaching 99% pool efficiency!
1269  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [46GHs][0 Fees][PPLNS] SIMPLECOIN.US - Dedicated 8core Clustered Servers on: August 19, 2011, 08:10:13 PM
I've just visited the pool stats page and was amused to see that the three most recent blocks have been found by the 28th, 29th, and 30th fastest miners.  Tsk tsk you guys near the top of the hashrates list; it's quality not quantity!

I'm hoping my 3 new 5850s might find a few Wink

Excellent, more hashing power is always appreciated!  It's good to see some competition at the top of the hashrates list, even the likes of loderunner is having to work hard!  I only have two 5850s to my name unfortunately (as you may well know as I've been quite noisy on the mining forums in the past).  This pool is growing so quickly!  Soon I'll be knocked off the top 30 hashrates list.
1270  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: (Experimental) pident — a pool-biased blockchain representation on: August 19, 2011, 08:01:28 PM
Do you think it would be difficult to add simplecoin.us?  It's not a pool which is trying to hide information and the site is being actively developed but I don't know the API situation.  It's been at 50 Gh/s recently so is big enough to be worth considering.

I offer 1 BTC for the addition of this pool.

The developers can be easily contacted here.
1271  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: bitHopper: Python Pool Hopper Proxy on: August 19, 2011, 07:49:10 PM
put btcpool on info.. they are broken.

They've also started IP banning and tax 50% shares if you're there for less than half the round - even if you are a 2% donator.


Ok they are my new most hated pool.


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If you are having difficulty determining when deepbit or BTCGuild have completed a block then you could try adopting an alternative pool-hopping approach of fixing one such pool and mining with them for the 5 minutes following every new block on the network.  For each block found by the pool in question you are getting 5 minutes at the start of the round, very profitable.

HUh?.. Hop on deepbit for every single block found on the network? yeah thats pretty much the hopper not too long ago(not on purpose but in effect).. we are trying to fix that. It isnt very effecient. And you know using this method you describe we would be 60% of the time, wrong? The methods we are working on have a better success rate than that.

 
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Blocks not found by the pool are essentially 5 minute chunks selected at random and, in the long term, won't be better or worse than 24-7 mining.


so why do it?

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mining at another proportional pool will nullify the advantages of this method.
how so? most of our other prop pools not set to "mine_deepbit" WE DO KNOW WHEN THEY FOUND A BLOCK.. plus we have chart porn.. have you seen our chart porn?


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If BTCGuild and deepbit are effective in hiding their block-discovery information however then this might be the best method.

Thanks for the thought, but I dont agree. There are many ways and yours is probably the first we considered.

You can also do the guess thing, but first see if any of your pools that give you proper info goes to zero, this reduces our error rate from 60% to about 20%

then their is pident, which has it;s own method for guessing who got the block, there is a fork of c00ws trying just  to use that.

then there is the lp guess which works great for some pools for some people.. but not great for everyone.(and there are at least two different methods of this)

then there is the voting method.. which every client reports it;s best guess.. this should work better than the previous method for everyone.. and we are working on this method as well.

Sorry but I just dont think hopping on deepbit on every block announce will be as good as the things we have tried and it is the first thing people think to do, as deepbit finds 40% of all the blocks on the network.




I must admit I am not fully aware of the current pool-hopping capabilities and am speaking in general.  I thought that one standard method that big proportional pools used to try to reduce pool hopping is to try and hide when new blocks were found by the pool.  I only meant to suggest that even if they are perfectly successful and it is impossible to tell when a certain pool has found a block you could still use the idea behind pool hopping to make some gains using only the information in the bitcoin network.  If you have any information on when a pool finds a block beyond the bitcoin network new-block announcements then you will certainly do better with the standard method.

A quick look at pident suggests that it is quite easy to tell when a certain pool has finished a block so I assume that the remaining problem is finding a pool which doesn't detect and ban pool-hopping behaviour.  Again, I know little about the existing practical situation and am speaking purely in terms of theory and mathematics.  I'm sure if I mined with a proportional pool I'd know more but I'm with simplecoin.us (which uses PPLNS) specifically so I don't have to worry about implementing pool hopping.

The "guess thing" you describe is a good idea when you have partial information.

All I meant to point out is that if one would like to pool hop with a big proportional pool and is having difficulty with the LP aspect then they can at least make some gains by using the information on the bitcoin network (if the pool is sufficiently large).
1272  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [46GHs][0 Fees][PPLNS] SIMPLECOIN.US - Dedicated 8core Clustered Servers on: August 19, 2011, 07:00:40 PM
I am working with SC on trying to make estimates more accurate and payouts more transparent (so you can see exactly how many of the last N blocks you submitted for a block).

Excellent, I'm looking forward to this.

Along these lines I would be interested to see a top-10 lowest reject rate list.  This would perhaps further encourage people to try and lower their rejects further and ultimately the pool will be able to boast an impressive "pool efficiency".

I have 5 BTC ready to donate to the pool following enhancements as you describe.


I like the idea of a lowest reject rate. Perhaps once the bugs are squashed I'll look into implementing that.

Take your time and enjoy. Smiley

I've just visited the pool stats page and was amused to see that the three most recent blocks have been found by the 28th, 29th, and 30th fastest miners.  Tsk tsk you guys near the top of the hashrates list; it's quality not quantity!
1273  Economy / Speculation / Re: Okay speculators, time to put your money where your mouth is. on: August 19, 2011, 06:40:21 PM
I've added a 20 BTC bet against you GoWest.  Best of luck!
1274  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [35GHs][0 Fees][PPLNS] SIMPLECOIN.US - Dedicated 8core Clustered Servers on: August 19, 2011, 06:19:22 PM
No, auto-payouts are still not turned on. I need to be sure they work 100% correctly with the new database model.

Instant payout is working correctly. I will have auto working soon.

Ok.  I just didn't know whether or not you were aware of this.  I'm very glad you are being careful with the bitcoins you control.
1275  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [46GHs][0 Fees][PPLNS] SIMPLECOIN.US - Dedicated 8core Clustered Servers on: August 19, 2011, 06:16:52 PM
I am working with SC on trying to make estimates more accurate and payouts more transparent (so you can see exactly how many of the last N blocks you submitted for a block).

Excellent, I'm looking forward to this.

Along these lines I would be interested to see a top-10 lowest reject rate list.  This would perhaps further encourage people to try and lower their rejects further and ultimately the pool will be able to boast an impressive "pool efficiency".

I have 5 BTC ready to donate to the pool following enhancements as you describe.
1276  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [35GHs][0 Fees][PPLNS] SIMPLECOIN.US - Dedicated 8core Clustered Servers on: August 19, 2011, 05:56:54 PM
On the stats, they were developed by a user from ozcoin. As my framework has changed, so has the way I access the stats. If any of the graphs are sorted incorrectly, please let me know, I thought I fixed them all.

Lifetime shares was also fixed, there was a nullable field in the database which gummed up the sql calculation.

Nice to see you're on top of things.  I'll make some noise here when I see a problem.

My balance is now about 7.5 BTC and no attempt has been made to pay out automatically to my BTC address.  Perhaps I've not checked a box somewhere or have misinterpreted one or more of the fields on the account details page.
1277  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Run in root? Server X?? on: August 19, 2011, 05:30:21 PM
What does this mean??

bit@Bit:~$ aticonfig --odgc --adapter=all
aticonfig: This program must be run as root when no X server is active


I just bought a new computer, had a computer shop make it, and went through all the steps but I can't tell what number my GPUs are.  I am mining successfully on my CPU so it works, but why won't my cards show up?

Hmm...  I'm going to assume you really do have an instance of X running.  What's the value of $DISPLAY returned by the terminal window in which you are trying to run aticonfig

Code:
echo $DISPLAY

You should get something like
Code:
:0.0

I've found no way of managing the cards without an instance of X running.  At the very least I need a simple xorg.conf which points out my two cards and to run xinit in the background.  When I ssh into my miner I need to run
Code:
DISPLAY=:0
before aticonfig is fully functional.  sudo will help to an extent but there are still some things you will not be able to do.
1278  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: 2.2% regected shares high ? on: August 19, 2011, 05:20:55 PM
I think it depends a lot on the server.  I think 1-1.5% is typical but you'd have to check with your specific pool.  That said I would personally consider anything over 1% too high.  I'm using phoenix and phatk 2.2 on two 5850s and they currently read:

[355.12 Mhash/sec] [5143 Accepted] [5 Rejected] [RPC (+LP)]
[377.12 Mhash/sec] [5411 Accepted] [8 Rejected] [RPC (+LP)]

so about 0.12% rejects.

Kernel versions can affect rejects and aggression makes a small difference too but the server was the key thing for me.  I mine with simplecoin.us which has just rolled out a serious new dedicated server (pool.simplecoin.us).  Big pools use several servers so perhaps try switching between them.

Also, I don't believe phoenix discerns between shares rejected because they are old and ones rejected because they are invalid.  If your rejected shares are clustered around/after new work units are pushed then try different pools/servers; if they are scattered at random then try lowering your cards core or RAM clocks and/or trying different kernels (there's plenty of variation between all of Diapolo's and Phateus' phatk versions).
1279  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [46GHs][0 Fees][PPLNS] SIMPLECOIN.US - Dedicated 8core Clustered Servers on: August 19, 2011, 03:52:38 PM
Where you mention fees on the home page I would like to see it made clear whether or not transaction fees are included in the reward.  I assume transaction fees are not included but if it is not difficult to include them perhaps the good will generated by such a gesture will earn the pool more in donations anyway.  I would certainly increase my donation in response by 1%.  If very few people are donating more than 0% (unfortunately quite likely) then I understand the necessity of keeping the transaction fees.

Also, a feature for the future: It would be nice for a user to be able to specify a transaction fee for withdrawal.  Some pools are not as generous to 0-fee transactions as this one is and I've found transactions with a fee of 0 can sometimes take quite a bit of time.
1280  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: bitHopper: Python Pool Hopper Proxy on: August 19, 2011, 03:48:10 PM
Is there any progress on hopping deepbit and BTCGuild via LP announces, or also maybe in conjunction with pident?

I saw some mention of an IRC channel, but couldn't find any information beyond that. Is such a channel operating?

Basically, are the two pools which SHOULD be hopped, both from a progressive and profit motive perspective, hoppable yet?

If you are having difficulty determining when deepbit or BTCGuild have completed a block then you could try adopting an alternative pool-hopping approach of fixing one such pool and mining with them for the 5 minutes following every new block on the network.  For each block found by the pool in question you are getting 5 minutes at the start of the round, very profitable.  Blocks not found by the pool are essentially 5 minute chunks selected at random and, in the long term, won't be better or worse than 24-7 mining.  The rest of your mining time should be spent with a temporally agnostic mining method such as solo (high variance), PPS (high fee or griefing problems), PPLNS (recommended, check out simplecoin.us for an example); mining at another proportional pool will nullify the advantages of this method.

This method will give a better profit margin than solo mining for moderately sized 0% fee pools, more for larger pools, but is unfortunately inferior to a pool-hopping method which can use the pool's block discoveries to it's advantage.  If BTCGuild and deepbit are effective in hiding their block-discovery information however then this might be the best method.  I'm afraid I'm not familiar enough with bitHopper to explain how to do this but I'd be surprised if it is difficult.
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