I think he has exaggerated the situation and if anything probably took advantage of Spondoolies.
Poor, vulnerable $28M a year company being taken advantage of. I guess that's what you'd tell your bank if you don't pay your mortgage, that they're taking advantage of you for expecting you to pay your debts?
I think this is the Spondoolies thread about their Mining Hardware -- this discussion about SPT short changing you should be taken to Meta or Scam Accusations - it is present on the last 10+ pages - i do not see how it pertains to fostering discussion about hardware - just my 2 cents
I was asked about it multiple times several pages back, now the trolls (+ the guy with 20 accounts) keep reposting it. And it does relate to Spondoolies-Tech as their ability to pay their debts is relevant to their ability to fulfil customer orders - or if they should be trusted in the first place. You wouldn't say that BFL owed orders shouldn't go in the BFL thread.
I agree with you dogie, your claim is relevant to the thread. I believe your claim against Guy and SPT. I really don't believe you would make false claims against them at all. I have your back on this one and I appreciate all you have done and continue to do for the community.
People should not blindly trust the leader of a company just because they like some of their gear. I frankly did not appreciate them identifying the SP20 as a 1.7 TH +/- 5% or 10% rig. I don't remember whether it was 5 or 10 percent. Bitmain, has better quality gear in my opinion. Yes, SPT did have a better and faster user interface at the time. However, BITMAIN, has come around to having one just as fast now.
Cheers M8
I agree fully. I think Spondoolies painted themselves into a corner. And now they struggle to explain to their new partners why they should use their new money to pay some debt they never told them about.
Let's keep in mind that the root cause of this argument seems to be that dogie didn't give them the rating they wanted.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456691.msg10593006#msg10593006Quite honestly I don't feel like that was the reason they didn't pay in the first place, but it was certainly the reason / excuse they used to kick me out of the system, denounce me from bitcoin and to not play nice. At the same time, Guy claims that the reason they got a "low" rating
was because they didn't pay, so its not cool either way. The whole thing is a shame.
I hope that they will be able to overcome the issues while not alienating themselves from the community and those that in good faith keep the community safe from scams.
However the market has changed from the early days in that we have 4th and 5th generation hardware from brand names that have proven successful thus far.
Success will be those who take the time to support hardware development for both their company and community benefit. That fine line has proven challenging for some.
It is a fine line to not be overburdened with the business of enticing new financial investment from the traditional avenues while not alienating the existing client base and outspoken constructive critique.
My point is that no manufacturer to date has been perfect at keeping business interests and community interests in balance. Is this a byproduct of outside investors influence overshadowing the importance that the community plays. Or the actions of a few vocal minority for their own agendas.
The reality is that we need people that are capable and willing to overcome setbacks while the members of the community keep report facts while not being burdensome to innovation by reminding everyone of past failings. Setbacks do happen and we must accept that fact or we will run the risk of being left with insular corporations.
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