[ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs

[QuintLeo]

The only real update needed at this point is "price and availability".

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[dogie]

I think he has exaggerated the situation and if anything probably took advantage of Spondoolies.

Poor, vulnerable $28M a year company being taken advantage of. I guess that's what you'd tell your bank if you don't pay your mortgage, that they're taking advantage of you for expecting you to pay your debts?

[kilo17]

I think he has exaggerated the situation and if anything probably took advantage of Spondoolies.

Poor, vulnerable $28M a year company being taken advantage of. I guess that's what you'd tell your bank if you don't pay your mortgage, that they're taking advantage of you for expecting you to pay your debts?

I think this is the Spondoolies thread about their Mining Hardware -- this discussion about SPT short changing you should be taken to Meta or Scam Accusations - it is present on the last 10+ pages - i do not see how it pertains to fostering discussion about hardware - just my 2 cents

[philipma1957]

So you're not going to back up your claim about SP3x's reliability.  Noted.

Highly customised and complicated controllers are a bad idea when you
   a) want them to be as cheap as possible and
   b) want them not to take down your money printer

The SPXX controllers all fail on both counts. You can believe what you want, I'm not going to waste my time or anyone elses arguing with you.

the problem with the sp-20 controller is simple if it fails  you can not piggy back 2 sp-20's.

no matter what else is true or false this is  a problem.


And while dogie and I have knocked heads  I agree with  that I don't like the sp-tech gear for this one reason.

The avalon 4.1 can run on a cheap rasp pi  I ran 3 for months  you could run 5 stable easy  so this means a cheap easy to replace controller on hand ready to go.

The ant miner s-7 can run 9 boards  so if you have 2 s-7's and the controller fails you have backup if you ordered spare long cables from france.   see link:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1173573.0



as far as I can see if the sp50 controller fails you are down 110th  for days.  no proof otherwise.

[dogie]

I think he has exaggerated the situation and if anything probably took advantage of Spondoolies.

Poor, vulnerable $28M a year company being taken advantage of. I guess that's what you'd tell your bank if you don't pay your mortgage, that they're taking advantage of you for expecting you to pay your debts?

I think this is the Spondoolies thread about their Mining Hardware -- this discussion about SPT short changing you should be taken to Meta or Scam Accusations - it is present on the last 10+ pages - i do not see how it pertains to fostering discussion about hardware - just my 2 cents

I was asked about it multiple times several pages back, now the trolls (+ the guy with 20 accounts) keep reposting it. And it does relate to Spondoolies-Tech as their ability to pay their debts is relevant to their ability to fulfil customer orders - or if they should be trusted in the first place. You wouldn't say that BFL owed orders shouldn't go in the BFL thread.

[dmwardjr]

I think he has exaggerated the situation and if anything probably took advantage of Spondoolies.

Poor, vulnerable $28M a year company being taken advantage of. I guess that's what you'd tell your bank if you don't pay your mortgage, that they're taking advantage of you for expecting you to pay your debts?

I think this is the Spondoolies thread about their Mining Hardware -- this discussion about SPT short changing you should be taken to Meta or Scam Accusations - it is present on the last 10+ pages - i do not see how it pertains to fostering discussion about hardware - just my 2 cents

I was asked about it multiple times several pages back, now the trolls (+ the guy with 20 accounts) keep reposting it. And it does relate to Spondoolies-Tech as their ability to pay their debts is relevant to their ability to fulfil customer orders - or if they should be trusted in the first place. You wouldn't say that BFL owed orders shouldn't go in the BFL thread.

I agree with you dogie, your claim is relevant to the thread.  I believe your claim against Guy and SPT.  I really don't believe you would make false claims against them at all.  I have your back on this one and I appreciate all you have done and continue to do for the community.

People should not blindly trust the leader of a company just because they like some of their gear.  I frankly did not appreciate them identifying the SP20 as a 1.7 TH +/- 5% or 10% rig.  I don't remember whether it was 5 or 10 percent.  Bitmain, has better quality gear in my opinion.  Yes, SPT did have a better and faster user interface at the time.  However, BITMAIN, has come around to having one just as fast now.

Cheers M8

[Fatman3001]

I think he has exaggerated the situation and if anything probably took advantage of Spondoolies.

Poor, vulnerable $28M a year company being taken advantage of. I guess that's what you'd tell your bank if you don't pay your mortgage, that they're taking advantage of you for expecting you to pay your debts?

I think this is the Spondoolies thread about their Mining Hardware -- this discussion about SPT short changing you should be taken to Meta or Scam Accusations - it is present on the last 10+ pages - i do not see how it pertains to fostering discussion about hardware - just my 2 cents

I was asked about it multiple times several pages back, now the trolls (+ the guy with 20 accounts) keep reposting it. And it does relate to Spondoolies-Tech as their ability to pay their debts is relevant to their ability to fulfil customer orders - or if they should be trusted in the first place. You wouldn't say that BFL owed orders shouldn't go in the BFL thread.

I agree with you dogie, your claim is relevant to the thread.  I believe your claim against Guy and SPT.  I really don't believe you would make false claims against them at all.  I have your back on this one and I appreciate all you have done and continue to do for the community.

People should not blindly trust the leader of a company just because they like some of their gear.  I frankly did not appreciate them identifying the SP20 as a 1.7 TH +/- 5% or 10% rig.  I don't remember whether it was 5 or 10 percent.  Bitmain, has better quality gear in my opinion.  Yes, SPT did have a better and faster user interface at the time.  However, BITMAIN, has come around to having one just as fast now.

Cheers M8

I agree fully. I think Spondoolies painted themselves into a corner. And now they struggle to explain to their new partners why they should use their new money to pay some debt they never told them about.

Let's keep in mind that the root cause of this argument seems to be that dogie didn't give them the rating they wanted.

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456691.msg10593006#msg10593006

[dogie]

I think he has exaggerated the situation and if anything probably took advantage of Spondoolies.

Poor, vulnerable $28M a year company being taken advantage of. I guess that's what you'd tell your bank if you don't pay your mortgage, that they're taking advantage of you for expecting you to pay your debts?

I think this is the Spondoolies thread about their Mining Hardware -- this discussion about SPT short changing you should be taken to Meta or Scam Accusations - it is present on the last 10+ pages - i do not see how it pertains to fostering discussion about hardware - just my 2 cents

I was asked about it multiple times several pages back, now the trolls (+ the guy with 20 accounts) keep reposting it. And it does relate to Spondoolies-Tech as their ability to pay their debts is relevant to their ability to fulfil customer orders - or if they should be trusted in the first place. You wouldn't say that BFL owed orders shouldn't go in the BFL thread.

I agree with you dogie, your claim is relevant to the thread.  I believe your claim against Guy and SPT.  I really don't believe you would make false claims against them at all.  I have your back on this one and I appreciate all you have done and continue to do for the community.

People should not blindly trust the leader of a company just because they like some of their gear.  I frankly did not appreciate them identifying the SP20 as a 1.7 TH +/- 5% or 10% rig.  I don't remember whether it was 5 or 10 percent.  Bitmain, has better quality gear in my opinion.  Yes, SPT did have a better and faster user interface at the time.  However, BITMAIN, has come around to having one just as fast now.

Cheers M8

I agree fully. I think Spondoolies painted themselves into a corner. And now they struggle to explain to their new partners why they should use their new money to pay some debt they never told them about.

Let's keep in mind that the root cause of this argument seems to be that dogie didn't give them the rating they wanted.

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456691.msg10593006#msg10593006

Quite honestly I don't feel like that was the reason they didn't pay in the first place, but it was certainly the reason / excuse they used to kick me out of the system, denounce me from bitcoin and to not play nice. At the same time, Guy claims that the reason they got a "low" rating was because they didn't pay, so its not cool either way. The whole thing is a shame.

[Unacceptable]

I think this is the Spondoolies thread about their Mining Hardware -- this discussion about SPT short changing you should be taken to Meta or Scam Accusations - it is present on the last 10+ pages - i do not see how it pertains to fostering discussion about hardware - just my 2 cents

I completely agree. Dogie, take your hate spam somewhere else please. You are now ignored.

On another note, is there any word on prices? I was hoping they would have a price guide out by now, but couldn't wait any longer so ended up ordering from bitmain - which hurt a bit, they're not cheap......I'm really interested to know how much these things will be, so I can kick myself......lol

LMAO,there will be NO prices for us "home miners",unless someone leaks them 

Move on to companies who WILL sell to the general public,SP-tech is not going to be one of them 

[Fatman3001]

I think this is the Spondoolies thread about their Mining Hardware -- this discussion about SPT short changing you should be taken to Meta or Scam Accusations - it is present on the last 10+ pages - i do not see how it pertains to fostering discussion about hardware - just my 2 cents

I completely agree. Dogie, take your hate spam somewhere else please. You are now ignored.

On another note, is there any word on prices? I was hoping they would have a price guide out by now, but couldn't wait any longer so ended up ordering from bitmain - which hurt a bit, they're not cheap......I'm really interested to know how much these things will be, so I can kick myself......lol

LMAO,there will be NO prices for us "home miners",unless someone leaks them  

Move on to companies who WILL sell to the general public,SP-tech is not going to be one of them  

...... and even if someone posts the price here it will be someone who is in breach of their nda. SP-tech will delete it asap.

[sloopy]

I cannot speak for anyone else but for me, I am actually interested in hearing or discussing things relative to spondoolies new miner, regardless of anyone elses problem with them.

I believe most people know there are not any intentions of selling to home miners. Guy made that very clear a while ago in this thread. That doesn't mean someone has to be under NDA. Did Spondoolies state such somewhere? Please reference such with a link to a credible source.

I speculate there will be a used market, and that is how some people will get these in their garage or business.
I did not have a bad experience with Spondoolies and I believe there are many others who have and continue to support them. Obviously it would be nice if they continued to sell to individuals, but I do not believe many individuals would purchase an SP50 to throw in their basement, albeit there are some dedicated folks who would do so. I certainly have a place for one if I hear of it going on the used market or after SPtech fill their hall.

I also do not see a reason they couldn't start selling smaller units again in the future. I can see why they would rather sell B2B. More volume, less headache, and certainly overall less BS to deal with from people who have recently been posting.
I will let my sig speak to anything relative to off topic subjects.

Have a great day people, and I'm sure SPT cannot wait to read your words of support for scumbags. Please do not let them down.

[Sitarow]

I think he has exaggerated the situation and if anything probably took advantage of Spondoolies.

Poor, vulnerable $28M a year company being taken advantage of. I guess that's what you'd tell your bank if you don't pay your mortgage, that they're taking advantage of you for expecting you to pay your debts?

I think this is the Spondoolies thread about their Mining Hardware -- this discussion about SPT short changing you should be taken to Meta or Scam Accusations - it is present on the last 10+ pages - i do not see how it pertains to fostering discussion about hardware - just my 2 cents

I was asked about it multiple times several pages back, now the trolls (+ the guy with 20 accounts) keep reposting it. And it does relate to Spondoolies-Tech as their ability to pay their debts is relevant to their ability to fulfil customer orders - or if they should be trusted in the first place. You wouldn't say that BFL owed orders shouldn't go in the BFL thread.

I agree with you dogie, your claim is relevant to the thread.  I believe your claim against Guy and SPT.  I really don't believe you would make false claims against them at all.  I have your back on this one and I appreciate all you have done and continue to do for the community.

People should not blindly trust the leader of a company just because they like some of their gear.  I frankly did not appreciate them identifying the SP20 as a 1.7 TH +/- 5% or 10% rig.  I don't remember whether it was 5 or 10 percent.  Bitmain, has better quality gear in my opinion.  Yes, SPT did have a better and faster user interface at the time.  However, BITMAIN, has come around to having one just as fast now.

Cheers M8

I agree fully. I think Spondoolies painted themselves into a corner. And now they struggle to explain to their new partners why they should use their new money to pay some debt they never told them about.

Let's keep in mind that the root cause of this argument seems to be that dogie didn't give them the rating they wanted.

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456691.msg10593006#msg10593006

Quite honestly I don't feel like that was the reason they didn't pay in the first place, but it was certainly the reason / excuse they used to kick me out of the system, denounce me from bitcoin and to not play nice. At the same time, Guy claims that the reason they got a "low" rating was because they didn't pay, so its not cool either way. The whole thing is a shame.

I hope that they will be able to overcome the issues while not alienating themselves from the community and those that in good faith keep the community safe from scams.
However the market has changed from the early days in that we have 4th and 5th generation hardware from brand names that have proven successful thus far.
Success will be those who take the time to support hardware development for both their company and community benefit. That fine line has proven challenging for some.

It is a fine line to not be overburdened with the business of enticing new financial investment from the traditional avenues while not alienating the existing client base and outspoken constructive critique.

My point is that no manufacturer to date has been perfect at keeping business interests and community interests in balance. Is this a byproduct of outside investors influence overshadowing the importance that the community plays. Or the actions of a few vocal minority for their own agendas.

The reality is that we need people that are capable and willing to overcome setbacks while the members of the community keep report facts while not being burdensome to innovation by reminding everyone of past failings. Setbacks do happen and we must accept that fact or we will run the risk of being left with insular corporations.

[Mikestang]

LMAO,there will be NO prices for us "home miners",unless someone leaks them  

Move on to companies who WILL sell to the general public,SP-tech is not going to be one of them  

That's because these new miners are not meant for home miners, they're being made probably mostly for internal use, with a few shipments going out to some big data center folk.  The SP50 was never intended for individual use or sales, probably one of the reasons they're so hush hush about pricing and such, because ultimately it doesn't matter unless you are in their inner circle.  It's like Ferrari where many of their models are only available for purchase by Ferrari owners that the company personally invites to buy one of their cars.

[Biodom]

LMAO,there will be NO prices for us "home miners",unless someone leaks them  

Move on to companies who WILL sell to the general public,SP-tech is not going to be one of them  

That's because these new miners are not meant for home miners, they're being made probably mostly for internal use, with a few shipments going out to some big data center folk.  The SP50 was never intended for individual use or sales, probably one of the reasons they're so hush hush about pricing and such, because ultimately it doesn't matter unless you are in their inner circle.  It's like Ferrari where many of their models are only available for purchase by Ferrari owners that the company personally invites to buy one of their cars.

In my opinion making big ass miners is a mistake as it locks you into technology that is prone to be bypassed in a relatively short order.
making the boards replaceable only partly solves it since what are you going to do with older boards, unless you have a Sp40 frame where you can stick them in and potentially sell to the public as used goods.
I wonder if the chinese company that announced a 14/16 nm miner is for real or not. I am quite skeptical, but if it is real, SPT/BMT will have their hands full competing.

LMAO,there will be NO prices for us "home miners",unless someone leaks them 

Move on to companies who WILL sell to the general public,SP-tech is not going to be one of them 

That's because these new miners are not meant for home miners, they're being made probably mostly for internal use, with a few shipments going out to some big data center folk.  The SP50 was never intended for individual use or sales, probably one of the reasons they're so hush hush about pricing and such, because ultimately it doesn't matter unless you are in their inner circle.  It's like Ferrari where many of their models are only available for purchase by Ferrari owners that the company personally invites to buy one of their cars.

yes, but this cannot work with a bitcoin miner, no matter how efficient it is, because it is not a relatively unique item like Ferrari or Lamborghini.
If you make it an exclusive, the rejected party could just buy bitcoin instead of messing around with miners. No such thing with F/L.

[dogie]

My point is that no manufacturer to date has been perfect at keeping business interests and community interests in balance. Is this a byproduct of outside investors influence overshadowing the importance that the community plays. Or the actions of a few vocal minority for their own agendas.

The reality is that we need people that are capable and willing to overcome setbacks while the members of the community keep report facts while not being burdensome to innovation by reminding everyone of past failings. Setbacks do happen and we must accept that fact or we will run the risk of being left with insular corporations.

I still think to date the only company not to screw someone over has been Bitfury. They arrived with some in hand products, sold them, made people money, didn't explode and then moved on.

I speculate there will be a used market, and that is how some people will get these in their garage or business.

I doubt that. Look at the BF3500 and BF4500, must have been 1000s in existence but not one, one, has ever made its way into 3rd party or reviewer hands even though I got the closest. The only way this is possible is if as part of the purchase agreement they stipulated a buy back or scrapping scheme such that they couldn't be resold. If Spondoolies want to mimic Bitfury's model (which it seems they should / are / will do so) then they may add in the same controls.

[Xian01]

It's like Ferrari where many of their models are only available for purchase by Ferrari owners that the company personally invites to buy one of their cars.

Random-anecdote: Someone I work with was banned by Ferrari from ever buying their vehicles again, because he kept modifying them. Super funny.

[p3yot33at3r]

It's like Ferrari where many of their models are only available for purchase by Ferrari owners that the company personally invites to buy one of their cars.

Random-anecdote: Someone I work with was banned by Ferrari from ever buying their vehicles again, because he kept modifying them. Super funny.

The worrying thing is, if the TPP ever gets passed as law, this will be standard procedure. Nobody will be able to mess with anything they own & paid for!

Scary.

[ATCkit]

I just got hold of an used SP31. It's running nice....but gets as hot as 70 C. I have been able to keep it around 65 - 66.

 How hot is too hot for this rig?

[Biodom]

I just got hold of an used SP31. It's running nice....but gets as hot as 70 C. I have been able to keep it around 65 - 66.

 How hot is too hot for this rig?

do you mean exhaust temp or chip temp?
chip temp are absolutely fine until 115C. At 120C they give you a warning (turning yellow) and at 125 they throttle back.

[ATCkit]

Thx Biodom. I'm going by the readout on the main screen when I open the miner interface in my browser.

EDIT: I see the chip temperature on the Asic Stats page. I get what you mean.