Pm sent 3 hours ago but hasn't got yet.
Account created before 26 August will receive coins.
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Those of you who got my pm, we can try that.
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@CoinManiac1, because i invest here and want to support this project and attack to this trolls/scammers like pradalady and all his accounts. Are you supporting these scammers too?
You called them scammers !! Look who is talking ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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@pradalady, all of your accounts were created between August 8th and August 9th.
Checkmate troll/scammer. Go another place with your accounts and try to scam another people, not here.
Btw, you and wasserman have been active till October 2014 and then boom, active again in 2016 just before the ICO. What a coincidence.
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Someone asked me how to get his money back from opair, according to this post wasserman deleted this post in the moderated thread. After he was too greedy to invest money in legal support of his ICO, looks like he want to ignore mistakes. I've invested 1 btc and I would like my btc back, but what I can do? Anyone here want to buy my opair account?
This point was made clear in our rules: "- Due to the nature of our proposal, investments are strictly non-refundable." This is not true. As Opair is a German or at least European Project the German/European law allows private person to cancel online treaties under specific circumstances (like here). The rules of wasserman can't break the law. If you really want a refund, ask officially for it now. If there would be later something public (gGmbH for example) you can get your BTC + interest rate back. It is very simple, but the chances are not very high because the ICO is very shady: Ask in the official thread about refund. Tell that you want to use your "Widerrufsrecht". This will work for each private person in Germany and Europe. Till now, the Company of Wassermann, "Frank" and "Hao" is offically located in Berlin, as "Frank" is the CEO. So German law will be valid. If wasserman continues to delete unpleasant postings (like that above), repost them here for proofing your demand for later. This right to cancel the participation of the ICO is not limited, because of the unproper implementation of the ICO. But of course as earlier you do it, as higher are your chances, that you get your money back AND interest rates starts from this time. Good luck guys! If wasserman refuse your legit wishes, he will never have a chance to found a official/public company. Because he/it will be sued to death immediately and on top he will pay 30-50% taxes on top from his own pocket. So he has just two opportunities, pay you back now or confirming, that the project failed.Reposted in the main thread. I will know he wil delete it. But people must know their rights
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Yeah I agree, a short interview with both devs will clear almost all the doubts.
did you delete your thread? about oracle? Oracle thread was moved to "Investigation" section which we don't have permission to access, only mods and admins can I think. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1593453.0That some good news. I hope OPAIR can also be investigated by the mods. Can you access the thread? I can't and will the investigation be useful? I don't think so. No results of larger scams(over 1k btc). Yup, I can access the thread. Will update here, if I see some update from the mods
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Yeah I agree, a short interview with both devs will clear almost all the doubts.
did you delete your thread? about oracle? Oracle thread was moved to "Investigation" section which we don't have permission to access, only mods and admins can I think. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1593453.0That some good news. I hope OPAIR can also be investigated by the mods.
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How are you so sure that merchant will start accepting crypto? I mean look at the volatility of cryptos. Will they not face loss if suddenly a crypto which they accept start crashing or in other words, we say here dumping.
I doubt about the merchant aspect. Besides, any incentive to merchants for accepting crypto?
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@CoinManiac1, yes they have to sent today a new batch to SebastianJu, but there are 9-10 btc, not 16 btc. You said that are 16.57 but there are 9-10 to SebastianJu and the rest they already have in his wallet (another address) as me and basementrot said you. Remember that they raised 69-70 btc on the first phase, not 62.33 btc.
Provide me the link of that announcement. I may missed it Edit: U said 69 to 70 BTC in first phase, but why there is only 62 BTC in wasserman wallet. I mean he should have 69 BTC right He does have ~70 but his client created new addresses within his wallet. If you have 1 btc and you send .5 to someone, the system actually sends the whole bitcoin but with .5 addressed to target and .5 addressed to yourself. But instead of sending the split (the .5 you wanted to keep) to your own address, some wallet programs just make a new address for you. So you still get the change just at a different internal address it makes on the fly. Ohk. I never had any such issue. May got confused.
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@CoinManiac1, yes they have to sent today a new batch to SebastianJu, but there are 9-10 btc, not 16 btc. You said that are 16.57 but there are 9-10 to SebastianJu and the rest they already have in his wallet (another address) as me and basementrot said you. Remember that they raised 69-70 btc on the first phase, not 62.33 btc.
Provide me the link of that announcement. I may missed it CoinManiac1, we forward the coins to SebastianJu all the days as you can read on the escrow rules. About you questions about the coins, its like Kooke and BasementRot explain to you, sometimes our wallet generate two outputs. Regards Kooke said you received 69 BTC in first phase, but your wallet final balance is 62 BTC. Why is that?
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@CoinManiac1, yes they have to sent today a new batch to SebastianJu, but there are 9-10 btc, not 16 btc. You said that are 16.57 but there are 9-10 to SebastianJu and the rest they already have in his wallet (another address) as me and basementrot said you. Remember that they raised 69-70 btc on the first phase, not 62.33 btc.
Provide me the link of that announcement. I may missed it Edit: U said 69 to 70 BTC in first phase, but why there is only 62 BTC in wasserman wallet. I mean he should have 69 BTC right
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@CoinManiac1, let me explain what i know. Read this: and this: I think this clear your doubts. BasementRot, its like you said i think, some clients do that. Tell him to transfer the remaining 16 BTC to sebasticju which will clear everything
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@CoinManiac1 ok, you dont have more arguments and you start attack to me? seriously? ![Shocked](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/shocked.gif) Dont be that guy I am attacking you, I am attacking the scammer. I am that guy who loves stopping scam. Recent ones, Mentrio, Oracle, Mudra (May be) and now OPAIR. You are wrong this time but you are the only who is against Opair who dont is shady, so well for you, at least, you are trying to do what you think is best. Ii made a research ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570330.msg15980011#msg15980011) and all the newbies here belong to the same account and electronic it is a scammer that even try to extort to wasserman ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1587226.msg15990065#msg15990065). The problem here that you dont have proof of anything, you always repeat the same and the only fact that they dont make a video its not an evidence. Lets be honest, just because someone doesn't want to reveal themselves through a video, drinking a cup of tee with investors or having a sleepover ~ doesn't mean anything. Look how bitcoin turned out ~ no one knows who/where/what/why Satoshi is. That's where the rewards of early investing plays a roll.
Too make it really easy, if you can prove that fraud or swindling happened, then supply us with more of those details and it will carry a lot more weight. ATM this is just nay saying at the possibility of something happening that hasn't happened. Edit: 1. Radio interview - Its the same that the video, read above. 2. All ICO funds transferred to Sebastin - SebastianJu already have almost the same amount that the first phase, in a few days he will have more than the first phase. 3. Marketing - They have a lot of coverage in the news ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.msg15976552#msg15976552), promotional images (banners, wallpaper, etc), twitter updates, slack, wasserman is here 24/7. 4. Github - They just make the account, the code will be available like in the 90% of the ICO when ready (after the ICO of course). 5. Developer interaction - The developer develop and the marketing guy do marketing. Wasserman is the guy behind the marketing in Opair and he is available almost 24/7 here, by email or in the slack. But even, Frank made a statement here ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558596.msg15751535#msg15751535) CoinManiac1, I dont have anything against you, continue with your work. 1. Radio interview - How it is same? Please explain 2. We should have all the ICO funds. Not 2nd phase but all phase 3. Marketing - These are all paid press releases. Anyone can do it. Show me any MSM article without the caption "Press Release" 4. Github - What proof do you have they are working. Hao call himselfs a blockchain developer, yet no commits by him in the github 5. Developer interaction - This is the most important part of any ICO. Look at Stratis, Waves, Lisk. They had interaction and interviews during the ICO's. Frank statement does not mean anything. It could be a hacked account or best they dont exist.
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@CoinManiac1 ok, you dont have more arguments and you start attack to me? seriously? ![Shocked](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/shocked.gif) Dont be that guy I am attacking you, I am attacking the scammer. I am that guy who loves stopping scam. Recent ones, Mentrio, Oracle, Mudra (May be) and now OPAIR. Edit: Why do you urself have the evidence to defend OPAIR? Coz u dont have it. OPAIR has red flags marked all over it. 1. Radio interview - Unchecked 2. All ICO funds transferred to Sebastin - Unchecked 3. Marketing - Only Press Release - Picked up by MSM - Unchecked 4. Github code - empty - Unchecked 5. Developer interaction - Unchecked Besides, there are many. Stop defending and let wasserman defend. Dont be a shill kooke..
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@CoinManiac1, many of them do not create an account at Github finished until long after the ICO. What happened here was that they created Github account previously, to save steps. I see no benefit in creating a Github account and let it empty, no one is so foolish as to think otherwise, as i said, that must be just to save steps.
Haha, ready with your excuses. Stop bullshitting. Scammer
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If you notice kooke and wasserman account, both were active till October 2014. Then in 2016, zoop, both came online...
I think both account are of the same person.
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@Kooke. Name any verified ICO without a empty looking github.
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Really? There is an account profile link, they never pretend to have the code on Github (just the account), they already said that they will start to add the code when ready. But, good try ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Ya, they will add when the scam finishes. Stop with your silly excuses... Losers like you destroy the adoption of bitcoin and other crypto.
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